G19 in the SF communities. (Page 1 of 45)
Posted: 11/21/2017 9:54:47 PM EDT
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So I am a lover of all things Glock. Seeing as how I own 4, the 19's are among my favs of all time. What's strange for whatever set of reasons, is why the Rangers, SEALs, and now Marsoc, have not only gone to Glocks, but the 19. When there are bigger more "combat ready" Glocks made, I wonder why the decision? |
| What do you mean by "More Combat Ready"? Just curious. Just a guess, but I'd think the weight savings and small footprint while still shooting and having the capacity of a full size is what led to their decision to adopt the 19. |
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Originally Posted By Dana1972:
What do you mean by "More Combat Ready"? Just curious. Just a guess, but I'd think the weight savings and small footprint while still shooting and having the capacity of a full size is what led to their decision to adopt the 19. I'm liking the choice they've made....makes me think we've been on to something all along, with the G19 love fest. What I like, is that it splits a lot of differences. It's big enough to be a "big gun", but small enough to be small. Holds enough ammo, can take a light, lots of accessories. Not much it leaves on the table. Just my opinion. |
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Contrary to popular belief, USSOCOM units cannot simply "buy/carry whatever they want" just because they want it. While better resourced than some conventional ground combat units, they do not have unlimited budgets and unlimited latitude in purchasing and procurement, and are actually subject to quite a bit of oversight from various directions. Unsurprisingly, the bigger the purchase, the more scrutiny applied. In order to procure something "out of the norm," they need to be able to define an operational need beyond what currently available equipment offers them. When it comes to Glocks, it is/was much easier to argue for the need for a more concealable pistol for low/lower visibility operations than to try to justify the purchase of more full sized pistols. The G19 fulfills that requirement, while still being able to be used as a practical service pistol. Nowadays, they've become all but de facto "standard," and it is less of an issue. Meanwhile, for certain specialty roles/purposes, smaller numbers of full sized G17s and G22s are also in service, some of which are suppressed, along with even more limited numbers of G34s. Other organizations with some more latitude have also used 35s (along with the other models mentioned), and even some 37s, among others. ~Augee |
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Originally Posted By Augee:
Contrary to popular belief, USSOCOM units cannot simply "buy/carry whatever they want" just because they want it. While better resourced than some conventional ground combat units, they do not have unlimited budgets and unlimited latitude in purchasing and procurement, and are actually subject to quite a bit of oversight from various directions. Unsurprisingly, the bigger the purchase, the more scrutiny applied. In order to procure something "out of the norm," they need to be able to define an operational need beyond what currently available equipment offers them. When it comes to Glocks, it is/was much easier to argue for the need for a more concealable pistol for low/lower visibility operations than to try to justify the purchase of more full sized pistols. The G19 fulfills that requirement, while still being able to be used as a practical service pistol. Nowadays, they've become all but de facto "standard," and it is less of an issue. Meanwhile, for certain specialty roles/purposes, smaller numbers of full sized G17s and G22s are also in service, some of which are suppressed, along with even more limited numbers of G34s. Other organizations with some more latitude have also used 35s (along with the other models mentioned), and even some 37s, among others. ~Augee |
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Originally Posted By lasnyder:
<strong>Homeland Security had a warehouse of G19s</strong> when contracts went elsewhere... SF was offered them, and they gladly took free guns... sidearm is not their primary weapon... |
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Originally Posted By Jkbulldogg:
Glock 35 is in use by certain individuals. As far as "combat ready", the G19 is plenty adequate for most any military situation that would be handgun applicable. Many soldiers would tell you they could care less about carrying a handgun. They would trade the weight and kit real estate the handgun takes up for more magazines for their M4 
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Glocks I've seen and service are
G17 (few Gen 4s, most Gen 3s) G19 Gen 3 (most common) G19 Gen 3 MOS G26 G22 G23 9mm ammo is either M882 Ball or Federal HST. Only .40 I've seen is a 180gr FMJ, white box by someone I've never heard before (don't think I wrote it down or took a pic). Haven't seen any of the new Win 9mm JHP for the M17/18 yet. 
Attached File Attached File Attached File However I've been known to turn in my G19 for a M1911A1 if given the choice!  CD |
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Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15&16'
Afganistan: 09,10,11',14'&17'
Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15&16'
Afganistan: 09,10,11',14'&17'
| Very interesting shots, thanks for posting them! I didn’t realize that Gen 3 MOS pistols were ever produced. I’m guessing that was a DoD-only contract. I was issued a G19 on a deployment a few years ago, and it rekindled my interest in carrying a Glock. I already had a 19 at home, and the issued pistol gave me the excuse to order a Milt Sparks Versa Max 2 for it (I was initially using an off brand or locally-made holster that looked like a copy of a VM2). |
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Originally Posted By 3ACR_Scout:
Very interesting shots, thanks for posting them! I didn’t realize that Gen 3 MOS pistols were ever produced. I’m guessing that was a DoD-only contract. I was issued a G19 on a deployment a few years ago, and it rekindled my interest in carrying a Glock. I already had a 19 at home, and the issued pistol gave me the excuse to order a Milt Sparks Versa Max 2 for it (I was initially using an off brand or locally-made holster that looked like a copy of a VM2). |
De Oppresso Liber
Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15&16'
Afganistan: 09,10,11',14'&17'
Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15&16'
Afganistan: 09,10,11',14'&17'
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Glocks I've seen and service are G17 (few Gen 4s, most Gen 3s) G19 Gen 3 (most common) G19 Gen 3 MOS G26 G22 G23 9mm ammo is either M882 Ball or Federal HST. Only .40 I've seen is a 180gr FMJ, white box by someone I've never heard before (don't think I wrote it down or took a pic). Haven't seen any of the new Win 9mm JHP for the M17/18 yet. http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/IMG_2268.JPG http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/IMG_45881.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_4571_rz-394208.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_4572_rz-394209.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_4622_rz-394214.JPG However I've been known to turn in my G19 for a M1911A1 if given the choice! http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/1911_G19_c.jpg CD 
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We should turn this into the Glocks in the US Military pic thread. The last one I started is archived and I think a lot of photos are photobucket black holed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6-nuuRhOz0 
I've got more, but it would take some time and effort to dl. If the OP wants to change the thread title???? |
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| I can’t remember who but I think a member on here talked about someone carrying 22’s and 35’s. |
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No one wants to eat right and exercise, and lower their stress levels, all of which will come in a lot more handy than a home defense carbine and chest rig
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Rude pricks need a serious traumatic life experience
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Originally Posted By pokey074:
Interesting that they would be using any .40’s. .22 .32 .38 9mm .357 .45 ^^^The above in all flavors as well. I did not find anything listed in .40 caliber. However, just because it's not on DOD's publicized ammo list in no way means it's NOT there or that the military does not use .40. |
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Originally Posted By TheMercenary:
The Gen3 MOS is very interesting... Curious why they chose the Gen3 over the Gen4? Parts compatibility? CD |
De Oppresso Liber
Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15&16'
Afganistan: 09,10,11',14'&17'
Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15&16'
Afganistan: 09,10,11',14'&17'
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Originally Posted By Jkbulldogg:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/462465/sniper__1_-369707.JPG |
Jesus came to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable. - My Pastor
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Originally Posted By JJREA: Can someone tell me what rifle this dude on the left has? 249???? Looks like an Elcan with an RMR on top. A BUIS flipped up. But a huge roundish looking receiver......... A waffle stock of some sort? I'm so confused.... 
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Originally Posted By NTXGlocker:
I was wondering myself. Looks like bolt action, some sort of sniper .50 cal???? Wondering.... The one on the right is.... Oh crap, now I forgot the name of it.... Army build........ Help me out here guys...... |
Jesus came to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable. - My Pastor
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Originally Posted By lasnyder:
Homeland Security had a warehouse of G19s when contracts went elsewhere... SF was offered them, and they gladly took free guns... sidearm is not their primary weapon... Were the Glocks from ICE? |
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Originally Posted By 3ACR_Scout:
It’s an M2010 ESR in .300 Win Mag. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/82/XM2010_November_2010.jpg/800px-XM2010_November_2010.jpg 
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Jesus came to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable. - My Pastor
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Originally Posted By JJREA: Yes, there you go. XM2010. I got a cool pic somewhere on my computer from Afghanistan that Steve-Oh shared with us once. But it's not on my imgur account yet...... https://i.imgur.com/uQHxv6t.jpg https://i.imgur.com/C3JqlbU.jpg |
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Originally Posted By NTXGlocker:
Agree. When I looked up the DOD class; I do not find it. In handgun ammo I do find: .22 .32 .38 9mm .357 .45 ^^^The above in all flavors as well. I did not find anything listed in .40 caliber. However, just because it's not on DOD's publicized ammo list in no way means it's NOT there or that the military does not use .40. Attached File 
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Originally Posted By trobertson5-0: Ahem......... Its 180grain HSTs. @NTXGlocker https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/107119/IMG_0427-397338.JPG |
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Glocks I've seen and service are G17 (few Gen 4s, most Gen 3s) G19 Gen 3 (most common) G19 Gen 3 MOS G26 G22 G23 9mm ammo is either M882 Ball or Federal HST. Only .40 I've seen is a 180gr FMJ, white box by someone I've never heard before (don't think I wrote it down or took a pic). Haven't seen any of the new Win 9mm JHP for the M17/18 yet. http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/IMG_2268.JPG http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/IMG_45881.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_4571_rz-394208.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_4572_rz-394209.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_4622_rz-394214.JPG However I've been known to turn in my G19 for a M1911A1 if given the choice! http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/1911_G19_c.jpg CD |
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Originally Posted By TAPTAP556: Any idea what suppressors are used on those .40 cal glocks? I’ve never been able to track down that answer. CD |
De Oppresso Liber
Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15&16'
Afganistan: 09,10,11',14'&17'
Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15&16'
Afganistan: 09,10,11',14'&17'
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Originally Posted By helmet91:
Which DHS agency was carrying G19s? CBP has had G17s, P2000s, 96Fs, and USPs. USCG has P229s. FAMs have P229s. ICE had P229s. USSS has P229s. Originally Posted By helmet91:
Originally Posted By lasnyder:
<strong>Homeland Security had a warehouse of G19s</strong> when contracts went elsewhere... SF was offered them, and they gladly took free guns... sidearm is not their primary weapon... |
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