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WA, USA
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Posted: 10/8/2024 6:21:41 AM EDT
Friends,
I am a long time Glock user and have carried a Gen 5 17 for a little more than five years. In that time, I have utilized a few different slides and currently run a Zev Citadel slide, ramjet and RMR. I’m a K9 handler and frequently have issues with my RMR and decided to go the ACRO route. I promptly purchased Ape Defense Wallace and Noveske DM slides. I shot the Ape Defense slide quite a few times and could not get it to run reliably. After several-hundred rounds, the slide will rarely fire more than one round before a stoppage occurs. The slide cycles, strips a round and fails to go into battery with the partially-loaded round’s nose stuck in / pointing at the top of the barrel. After becoming frustrated, I switched my P2 over to the Noveske slide (Zev barrel, L2D parts kit, OEM & aftermarket guide rods tried) and experienced identical issues. Ran around ten mags through (two extendos) it before throwing in the towel tonight. Prior to shooting, both slides were lubricated and checked for fitment. The lower runs very reliably with my Zev and OEM slides….no cerakote or any weird coatings on anything. What am I missing here? Thanks! |
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MT, USA
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Posted: 10/8/2024 6:24:20 AM EDT
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How did the oem slide run?
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Posted: 10/8/2024 6:26:28 AM EDT
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Ensure the ejector isn't dragging on the bottom of the slide. Gut the slide and see how it moves on the rails. If it is smooth, you may need a slightly lighter recoil spring. The weight of the optic is slowing the slide just enough to cause problems.
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WA, USA
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Posted: 10/8/2024 6:30:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: ANDREWBISGNAR]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eviioiive: How did the oem slide run? Hey, man! The OEM slide, and the Zev slide I’ve had for like 4.5+ years, run flawlessly. Absolutely no issues! Thanks |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 10/8/2024 6:32:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: Ensure the ejector isn't dragging on the bottom of the slide. Gut the slide and see how it moves on the rails. If it is smooth, you may need a slightly lighter recoil spring. The weight of the optic is slowing the slide just enough to cause problems. Thanks, man! I’ll take them both apart when I get off work here shortly…i have a couple different guide rods / springs (don’t remember the manufacturers) and haven’t had any luck so far. I did shoot the Ape slide without an optic and it had the same stoppage issues so I’m not sure it’s the optic. Thanks again! |
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Posted: 10/8/2024 7:11:33 AM EDT
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Honestly, I'd run the Zev or OEM.
Actually..... I'm cheap, if get the OEM milled and probably use that. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 10/8/2024 7:20:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DavidY: Honestly, I'd run the Zev or OEM. Actually..... I'm cheap, if get the OEM milled and probably use that. Yeah, been running the Zev for years and it’s great. The OEM has been collecting dust in my safe for the same amount of time lol. |
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USA
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Posted: 10/8/2024 7:29:43 AM EDT
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I had an issue with my gen5 17 and Zev duty slide. The rds screw was too long and contacted the extractor plunger assembly and caused problems. Take your red dot off and see if your preferred slide functions without it.
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WA, USA
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Posted: 10/8/2024 7:37:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rbass: I had an issue with my gen5 17 and Zev duty slide. The rds screw was too long and contacted the extractor plunger assembly and caused problems. Take your red dot off and see if your preferred slide functions without it. Thanks, man! The ACRO doesn’t mount the way an RMR-footprint optic mounts. I had the same stoppages without the optic on my Ape slide so I’m assuming that’s not it. |
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Posted: 10/8/2024 9:07:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: ScoutH57]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ANDREWBISGNAR: Thanks, man! The ACRO doesn’t mount the way an RMR-footprint optic mounts. I had the same stoppages without the optic on my Ape slide so I’m assuming that’s not it. I bet you a dollar if you put all OEM slide internals and RSA in it will run. I have had similar issues(not as bad as you describe) in 2 different after market slides. Also, did those slides come with a striker channel liner? |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 10/8/2024 9:27:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: ANDREWBISGNAR]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ScoutH57: I bet you a dollar if you put all OEM slide internals and RSA in it will run. I have had similar issues(not as bad as you describe) in 2 different after market slides. Also, did those slides come with a striker channel liner? Man, OEM parts were the plan all along. I did limited research but they’re unobtanium apparently. The Ape slide came assembled while the Noveske slide was nude. I assembled that one. Maybe I’ll do some shopping to try and source some OEM stuff…I have quite a few glocks in the safe and have never had issues like this from just changing a slide out. I might just borrow another gen 5 lower and see if the issues persist….doesnt make though. |
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Posted: 10/8/2024 10:19:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: ScoutH57]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ANDREWBISGNAR: Man, OEM parts were the plan all along. I did limited research but they’re unobtanium apparently. The Ape slide came assembled while the Noveske slide was nude. I assembled that one. Maybe I’ll do some shopping to try and source some OEM stuff…I have quite a few glocks in the safe and have never had issues like this from just changing a slide out. I might just borrow another gen 5 lower and see if the issues persist….doesnt make though. https://www.primaryarms.com/maple-leaf-glock-oem-upper-parts-kit-fits-glock-19-19x-17-34-47-49-26-gen-5 Or you can always buy a new glock and scavenge it for parts 
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Posted: 10/8/2024 10:31:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ScoutH57: https://www.primaryarms.com/maple-leaf-glock-oem-upper-parts-kit-fits-glock-19-19x-17-34-47-49-26-gen-5 Or you can always buy a new glock and scavenge it for parts When G22s were $239 + 10% off, I gave that series though
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Posted: 10/8/2024 10:38:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ANDREWBISGNAR: Man, OEM parts were the plan all along. I did limited research but they’re unobtanium apparently. The Ape slide came assembled while the Noveske slide was nude. I assembled that one. Maybe I’ll do some shopping to try and source some OEM stuff…I have quite a few glocks in the safe and have never had issues like this from just changing a slide out. I might just borrow another gen 5 lower and see if the issues persist….doesnt make though. I have a UPK (no RSA) for $75 if you buy my G45 TTI slide too (reasonably priced)  https://www.ar15.com/forums/Equipment-Exchange/Glock-PSA-Dagger-slide-Gen3-Gen5-G19-G45-G19-5-MOS-TTI-Taran-Tactical-Shadow-Systems-MR920-Elite-slide/89-2475893/ |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 10/9/2024 12:13:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ScoutH57: https://www.primaryarms.com/maple-leaf-glock-oem-upper-parts-kit-fits-glock-19-19x-17-34-47-49-26-gen-5 Or you can always buy a new glock and scavenge it for parts Thanks for all the responses, guys. I went ahead and ordered this parts kit and some springco stuff to mess with spring weight. Super frustrating but I’m gonna hit the range a few times this week and try some more. Can’t imagine it’s still a break-in issue this far in… |
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Posted: 10/9/2024 5:09:18 AM EDT
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I knew before I clicked…
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WA, USA
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Posted: 10/9/2024 6:11:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By triburst1: I knew before I clicked… Maybe you could share some of that infinite wisdom? |
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Posted: 10/9/2024 7:04:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ANDREWBISGNAR: Maybe you could share some of that infinite wisdom? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ANDREWBISGNAR: Originally Posted By triburst1: I knew before I clicked… Maybe you could share some of that infinite wisdom? 99% of the time a thread title is something like “Gen 5 17 slide issues,” “my Glock won’t run,” “Glock 19 stovepipes,” etc., and I open the thread it’s aftermarket parts. My absolute favorites are “my Glock is jamming” threads where the “Glock” is a P80 frame, Zev parts kit, dagger barrel, Zaffiri slide “Glock.”
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Posted: 10/9/2024 8:45:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ANDREWBISGNAR: Thanks for all the responses, guys. I went ahead and ordered this parts kit and some springco stuff to mess with spring weight. Super frustrating but I’m gonna hit the range a few times this week and try some more. Can’t imagine it’s still a break-in issue this far in… Let us know how it goes. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 10/9/2024 2:28:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By triburst1: 99% of the time a thread title is something like “Gen 5 17 slide issues,” “my Glock won’t run,” “Glock 19 stovepipes,” etc., and I open the thread it’s aftermarket parts. My absolute favorites are “my Glock is jamming” threads where the “Glock” is a P80 frame, Zev parts kit, dagger barrel, Zaffiri slide “Glock.” I'm new to Glocks, but after two weeks of immersing myself in research and reading a lot of threads on building and issues with, one thing I'm learning is "use OEM parts" if reliability is a priority. I'm building a G19 on a Grit Grips frame. Everything else, including the frame internals, is OEM Glock. I'll get the OEM slide milled for a red dot, and I have an OEM threaded barrel. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 10/9/2024 5:38:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ANDREWBISGNAR]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By triburst1: 99% of the time a thread title is something like “Gen 5 17 slide issues,” “my Glock won’t run,” “Glock 19 stovepipes,” etc., and I open the thread it’s aftermarket parts. My absolute favorites are “my Glock is jamming” threads where the “Glock” is a P80 frame, Zev parts kit, dagger barrel, Zaffiri slide “Glock.” I'm not certain why you'd belong to a forum which, almost exclusively, caters to modularity and customization with this outlook....That being said, my intention wasn't a "my glock won't run" thread...I have tens of thousands of rounds through this particular pistol and it runs flawlessly. I have assembled numerous glock and aftermarket "glock" (as you put it) slides without issue but something is not right with what I've got going on here. Not super sorry for using the FORUM to get answers, my friend. Enjoy your day and I hope you find something else to do with your time. |
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Posted: 10/9/2024 6:34:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ANDREWBISGNAR: I'm not certain why you'd belong to a forum which, almost exclusively, caters to modularity and customization with this outlook....That being said, my intention wasn't a "my glock won't run" thread...I have tens of thousands of rounds through this particular pistol and it runs flawlessly. I have assembled numerous glock and aftermarket "glock" (as you put it) slides without issue but something is not right with what I've got going on here. Not super sorry for using the FORUM to get answers, my friend. Enjoy your day and I hope you find something else to do with your time. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ANDREWBISGNAR: Originally Posted By triburst1: 99% of the time a thread title is something like “Gen 5 17 slide issues,” “my Glock won’t run,” “Glock 19 stovepipes,” etc., and I open the thread it’s aftermarket parts. My absolute favorites are “my Glock is jamming” threads where the “Glock” is a P80 frame, Zev parts kit, dagger barrel, Zaffiri slide “Glock.” I'm not certain why you'd belong to a forum which, almost exclusively, caters to modularity and customization with this outlook....That being said, my intention wasn't a "my glock won't run" thread...I have tens of thousands of rounds through this particular pistol and it runs flawlessly. I have assembled numerous glock and aftermarket "glock" (as you put it) slides without issue but something is not right with what I've got going on here. Not super sorry for using the FORUM to get answers, my friend. Enjoy your day and I hope you find something else to do with your time. It’s not my outlook, it’s just a fact. I used to keep a ziplock bag full of OEM RSAs in my range bag. I lost count of how many malfunctioning Glocks I “fixed” at matches and classes just swapping them out for all kids of aftermarket gimmick RSAs people bought as an “upgrayydd.” I don’t give a shit what you put on your pistol but I’ve seen variations of this same thread come up a few times a month for 20 years. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 10/9/2024 8:07:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By triburst1: It’s not my outlook, it’s just a fact. I used to keep a ziplock bag full of OEM RSAs in my range bag. I lost count of how many malfunctioning Glocks I “fixed” at matches and classes just swapping them out for all kids of aftermarket gimmick RSAs people bought as an “upgrayydd.” I don’t give a shit what you put on your pistol but I’ve seen variations of this same thread come up a few times a month for 20 years. I generally agree with above My question is if the OP is a K9 handler kthis implies law enforcement work and most agencies frown upon or outright prohibit modification of duty guns, so I am wondering how he is getting away with this? |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 10/9/2024 8:10:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ANDREWBISGNAR]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By captain127: I generally agree with above My question is if the OP is a K9 handler kthis implies law enforcement work and most agencies frown upon or outright prohibit modification of duty guns, so I am wondering how he is getting away with this? Hello! I am a LE K9 handler, that's correct. Here on the West Coast it's pretty common for agencies to allow for personal firearms. This includes rifles and pistols. Our issued pistol is currently a Glock 45, RMR and x300 turbo while my team runs the OZ9 and Spear LT. No one is getting away with anything, cool your jets |
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Posted: 10/9/2024 9:55:22 PM EDT
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Have you removed the Ramjet and tested with stock RSA and barrel?
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WA, USA
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Posted: 10/9/2024 9:56:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ANDREWBISGNAR]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spud: Have you removed the Ramjet and tested with stock RSA and barrel? The ramjet is on my current slide and runs with no problems. I have tested both slides, which I’m hoping to switch to, with the OEM, Zev and Ape barrels with no luck. The ramjet doesn’t fit either new slide so I didn’t mess with it. OEM parts kit is on the way so that has yet to be tried in either slide. |
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Posted: 10/10/2024 8:27:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ANDREWBISGNAR: I'm not certain why you'd belong to a forum which, almost exclusively, caters to modularity and customization with this outlook....That being said, my intention wasn't a "my glock won't run" thread...I have tens of thousands of rounds through this particular pistol and it runs flawlessly. I have assembled numerous glock and aftermarket "glock" (as you put it) slides without issue but something is not right with what I've got going on here. Not super sorry for using the FORUM to get answers, my friend. Enjoy your day and I hope you find something else to do with your time. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ANDREWBISGNAR: Originally Posted By triburst1: 99% of the time a thread title is something like “Gen 5 17 slide issues,” “my Glock won’t run,” “Glock 19 stovepipes,” etc., and I open the thread it’s aftermarket parts. My absolute favorites are “my Glock is jamming” threads where the “Glock” is a P80 frame, Zev parts kit, dagger barrel, Zaffiri slide “Glock.” I'm not certain why you'd belong to a forum which, almost exclusively, caters to modularity and customization with this outlook....That being said, my intention wasn't a "my glock won't run" thread...I have tens of thousands of rounds through this particular pistol and it runs flawlessly. I have assembled numerous glock and aftermarket "glock" (as you put it) slides without issue but something is not right with what I've got going on here. Not super sorry for using the FORUM to get answers, my friend. Enjoy your day and I hope you find something else to do with your time. There's no reason to get butt hurt because what you said was true. It's also not just here, but everywhere. When somebody says their Glock is not running, 97% chance it's aftermarket parts involved. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 10/10/2024 9:47:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DavidY: There's no reason to get butt hurt because what you said was true. It's also not just here, but everywhere. When somebody says their Glock is not running, 97% chance it's aftermarket parts involved. This was another really informative post. Thanks, I hadn’t figured that out yet. |
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Posted: 10/10/2024 10:09:41 AM EDT
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While I agree that OEM parts belong in life saving tools for this very reason, his delivery was too aggressive for the tech forums. Some times GD leaks in here, ya just have to look past that.
Let us know what combination solves your issues, might be something we can all learn from. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 10/10/2024 10:26:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spud: While I agree that OEM parts belong in life saving tools for this very reason, his delivery was too aggressive for the tech forums. Some times GD leaks in here, ya just have to look past that. Let us know what combination solves your issues, might be something we can all learn from. Will do for sure, man! Another member linked an OEM parts kit and that should be here tomorrow. If all goes as planned, I should have that slide the-assembled and out on the range by 0900. I’ll report back as soon as I can get some shooting in. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 10/11/2024 10:55:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ANDREWBISGNAR]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spud: While I agree that OEM parts belong in life saving tools for this very reason, his delivery was too aggressive for the tech forums. Some times GD leaks in here, ya just have to look past that. Let us know what combination solves your issues, might be something we can all learn from. Went to the range with the plan to replace each part individually and test to see where the failure point was. Replaced the firing pin assembly (conveniently pre-assembled in the OEM kit) first and now it runs like a top. Can’t say I’m any less confused but I’m stoked it’s up now. Put around 1200 rounds through it today and I feel pretty comfortable saying this pain in the ass is done. |
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Posted: 10/12/2024 5:26:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ANDREWBISGNAR: Went to the range with the plan to replace each part individually and test to see where the failure point was. Replaced the firing pin assembly (conveniently pre-assembled in the OEM kit) first and now it runs like a top. Can’t say I’m any less confused but I’m stoked it’s up now. Put around 1200 rounds through it today and I feel pretty comfortable saying this pain in the ass is done. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ANDREWBISGNAR: Originally Posted By spud: While I agree that OEM parts belong in life saving tools for this very reason, his delivery was too aggressive for the tech forums. Some times GD leaks in here, ya just have to look past that. Let us know what combination solves your issues, might be something we can all learn from. Went to the range with the plan to replace each part individually and test to see where the failure point was. Replaced the firing pin assembly (conveniently pre-assembled in the OEM kit) first and now it runs like a top. Can’t say I’m any less confused but I’m stoked it’s up now. Put around 1200 rounds through it today and I feel pretty comfortable saying this pain in the ass is done. The real question is how are your thumbs doing after loading 1200 rounds in one range session? I hope you had a lot of mags and a Lula loader. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 10/12/2024 10:25:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: ANDREWBISGNAR]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By triburst1: The real question is how are your thumbs doing after loading 1200 rounds in one range session? I hope you had a lot of mags and a Lula loader. Lula, twelve mags and a sizable .50 ammo can with the rounds pre-spilled. Took a Bill Blowers pistol instructor class a few years ago and did 4000 rounds in four days so….this doesn’t even come close. My thumbprints were replaced by blisters 
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Posted: 10/12/2024 10:36:15 AM EDT
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Glad you got it figured out.
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Posted: 10/12/2024 6:18:05 PM EDT
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Glad it’s running.
We went through a handful of people trying aftermarket slides and found that they did nothing but increase failures and provided zero performance benefits. The gen 5 guns are inherently scary accurate, and upon demonstrating this via resting them, most people plopped the OEM slides and barrels back on. With aftermarket plates filling the MOS quality gaps, I only recommend factory gen 5 Glocks now, and strongly encourage FCD plates to allow optic swaps. Personally the only thing worth doing might be a performance trigger with an aftermarket shoe and a + connector. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 10/13/2024 11:08:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: ANDREWBISGNAR]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Marksman14: Glad it’s running. We went through a handful of people trying aftermarket slides and found that they did nothing but increase failures and provided zero performance benefits. The gen 5 guns are inherently scary accurate, and upon demonstrating this via resting them, most people plopped the OEM slides and barrels back on. With aftermarket plates filling the MOS quality gaps, I only recommend factory gen 5 Glocks now, and strongly encourage FCD plates to allow optic swaps. Personally the only thing worth doing might be a performance trigger with an aftermarket shoe and a + connector. Thanks, man! My go-to in the past was direct milling OEM slides. My agency has about 50 slides we sent to Jagerwerks and they have always been awesome. If I could go back and do this whole process over again, I probably would just buy another OEM slide and send it in for an ACRO mill....that being said, the newer MOS options available (front serrations, decent ACRO options), look pretty good compared to the MOS platform of Christmas past. It's super rad that FCD has an ACRO plate, too. Just looked it up and noticed thats available. I think that looks like a solid option and I have always enjoyed Forward Controls' stuff. Another great option is the overwatch precision trigger shoes. I don't mess with the lower internals at all but OEM trigger parts with a flat trigger shoe has been really great compared to that of a stock glock trigger - which is miserable. |
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Posted: 10/13/2024 11:26:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ANDREWBISGNAR: Thanks, man! My go-to in the past was direct milling OEM slides. My agency has about 50 slides we sent to Jagerwerks and they have always been awesome. If I could go back and do this whole process over again, I probably would just buy another OEM slide and send it in for an ACRO mill....that being said, the newer MOS options available (front serrations, decent ACRO options), look pretty good compared to the MOS platform of Christmas past. It's super rad that FCD has an ACRO plate, too. Just looked it up and noticed thats available. I think that looks like a solid option and I have always enjoyed Forward Controls' stuff. Another great option is the overwatch precision trigger shoes. I don't mess with the lower internals at all but OEM trigger parts with a flat trigger shoe has been really great compared to that of a stock glock trigger - which is miserable. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ANDREWBISGNAR: Originally Posted By Marksman14: Glad it’s running. We went through a handful of people trying aftermarket slides and found that they did nothing but increase failures and provided zero performance benefits. The gen 5 guns are inherently scary accurate, and upon demonstrating this via resting them, most people plopped the OEM slides and barrels back on. With aftermarket plates filling the MOS quality gaps, I only recommend factory gen 5 Glocks now, and strongly encourage FCD plates to allow optic swaps. Personally the only thing worth doing might be a performance trigger with an aftermarket shoe and a + connector. Thanks, man! My go-to in the past was direct milling OEM slides. My agency has about 50 slides we sent to Jagerwerks and they have always been awesome. If I could go back and do this whole process over again, I probably would just buy another OEM slide and send it in for an ACRO mill....that being said, the newer MOS options available (front serrations, decent ACRO options), look pretty good compared to the MOS platform of Christmas past. It's super rad that FCD has an ACRO plate, too. Just looked it up and noticed thats available. I think that looks like a solid option and I have always enjoyed Forward Controls' stuff. Another great option is the overwatch precision trigger shoes. I don't mess with the lower internals at all but OEM trigger parts with a flat trigger shoe has been really great compared to that of a stock glock trigger - which is miserable. Gen 5 MOS with FCD plates is the way. Not a big ACRO fan but I use them on all of my RMRs. |
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