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Posted: 8/29/2024 3:16:08 AM EDT
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What if it was one guy with six guns?
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Posted: 8/29/2024 3:18:58 AM EDT
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Well, that sure is interesting, and kudos to you for putting thought into your carry system, but IMO it's a solution to a problem that doesn't really exist.
If it works for you........... |
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Posted: 8/29/2024 4:03:38 AM EDT
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I don't see what the big deal is here. Cross draw is great while driving.
At least the OP carries. Two guns. Some here don't carry at all. |
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Posted: 8/29/2024 4:14:01 AM EDT
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In this exact specific case only, I might suggest in order to keep handling errors to an absolute minimum and keep the carry situation to what OP is asking for, I would suggest perhaps ditching the semi auto and simply carrying two seven round revolvers with the empty chamber under the hammer. Admittedly they will be harder to conceal, but someone who carries two sidearms usually has figured out how to dress around the sidearms. This will give you what you want with minimal fuss and bother, and no need to try to remember to rack a slide under stress. Of course, modern revolvers with transfer bar safeties are about as safe as carrying a completely unloaded gun unless you put your finger on the trigger. Of course, finger on trigger ruins your system as well, as the same DA pull will automatically bring that first round under the hammer, or, in the case of the semi auto...nothing. Like I told people who carried a cocked and locked 1911 without ever practicing swiping off that safety, "First you look stupid, then you look dead."
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Posted: 8/29/2024 5:19:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mach: Those are 2 completely different habit patterns and your brain will fuck that up in extreme stress. Keep it simple. There is no real threat of an AD with a modern striker fired handgun in a quality holster, dressing to the gun, and some training. The problem you think is there is already solved. ^^ This |
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Posted: 8/29/2024 6:40:29 AM EDT
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let them fight
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TX, USA
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Posted: 8/29/2024 7:01:50 AM EDT
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You should carry three DA revolvers with the first two chambers empty. You'll be triple-double-safe.
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Posted: 8/29/2024 7:09:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 18B30: on this topic, we shall agree to disagree. If you are this uncomfortable with carrying a firearm with live rounds chambered, perhaps you should reconsider carrying a firearm in general. There are several other options, such as the taser or pepper gas that may fill your SD needs. 18Z50….. Agreed. If you are concerned about carrying a sidearm with a round in the chamber why don’t you just load a blank in the chamber for for a week, a month, or how ever long it takes you to feel comfortable it’s not going to go off on it’s own? Sig haters aside, we all know if you carry properly it won’t go off. If you carry a gun around for a while and it doesn’t fire the blank it won’t fire a live round. And I realize this exercise proves nothing. All it does is provide the individual deliberating with piece of mind. |
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Posted: 8/29/2024 7:51:45 AM EDT
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I’m sure we have some instructors in Florida on here that would happily put you through a safety course to be more comfortable carrying a firearm.
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Posted: 8/29/2024 11:08:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 18B30: on this topic, we shall agree to disagree. If you are this uncomfortable with carrying a firearm with live rounds chambered, perhaps you should reconsider carrying a firearm in general. There are several other options, such as the taser or pepper gas that may fill your SD needs. 18Z50….. Perfect response. |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 8/29/2024 12:19:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/29/2024 12:43:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Speedwinder]
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I prefer to carry a baseball bat, while wearing a Yankees baseball cap. If anyone asks, I just tell them I used to play for the Yankees.
I tried sticking the bat down my pants for concealed carry, but I kept getting stopped by women who....wanted to chat, so I stopped the concealed carry. I have not actually had to defend myself with the bat, but I find it much safer then a firearm to carry. Just having a bit of fun! Carry or don't carry what and how you are comfortable with. Best of luck OP. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 8/29/2024 12:55:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CommanderPikeBishop: Im not aware of such a case, and that part may indeed be overkill, I include it in order to claim absolute impossibility of an ad. This system is really more about avoiding a semiauto AD. Im definitely not claiming that a fully loaded revolver is unsafe, but safeties can theoretically fail and my system takes those failures, however unlikely and uncommon, out of the picture. I know an older gunsmith that had a neighbor that died from a revolver AD. Story was he bent down to pick up a newspaper and it fell out of the holster and hit the concrete. Shot him straight in the chest and DRT. It was made before they had transfer bar safeties so maybe those work. It definitely was a thing at one point carrying a revolver on an empty chamber. They still do in SASS. I get where OP is coming from and i may or may not fully agree but he is right about it being physically impossible to have an AD with what he describes. At what cost is the real question. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 8/29/2024 1:29:16 PM EDT
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Ahhhhhhh, finding answers to problems that don’t exist…
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Posted: 8/29/2024 1:33:49 PM EDT
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Epic troll thread.
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Posted: 8/29/2024 2:00:27 PM EDT
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A holster below addresses carrying with an empty chamber. (I believe an Israeli design, since I believe they still mandate carry with an empty chamber)
but first: 1 how old are you. 2 how long have you owned and used handguns? 3 Have you had any formal training? 4 If so how much 5 What certifications did the instructor(s) have? Just off the top of my memory the only modern revolver that for safety must be carried with an empty chamber under the hammer is the Colt Single Action Army and some early Ruger single action revovlers. (Most Colt single action clones have safety devices where a full 6 round cylinder is safe to carry)  Quantum Mechanics OWB Condition 3 Carry Quick Tactical Holster - Evike.com |
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Posted: 8/29/2024 2:01:01 PM EDT
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USA
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Posted: 8/29/2024 2:21:17 PM EDT
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The overwhelming, into the 99th percentile, cause of a gun "going off" is because the trigger was deliberately pulled.
Literally nothing can prevent that. |
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Posted: 8/29/2024 2:54:52 PM EDT
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VA, USA
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Posted: 8/29/2024 3:20:12 PM EDT
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You have developed a needlessly complicated and unnecessary "system" to address a problem that is in your head.
Get some training and practice until you are comfortable carrying with a round in the chamber. |
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USA
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Posted: 8/29/2024 3:50:01 PM EDT
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Sig 320 exempted
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FL, USA
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Posted: 8/29/2024 3:58:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: CommanderPikeBishop]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Strela: I'm trying to think of a none GD-level response, but the best I can say is that I hope you never have to use it.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Strela: I'm trying to think of a none GD-level response, but the best I can say is that I hope you never have to use it. Can you rationally present why that is so? I have a ready to fire weapon with zero accidental discharge risk. What exactly is the problem? So far all Ive heard are ad hominems and insults which carry negative persuasive value in my world. Originally Posted By Blacktoothgrin: Sig 320 exempted Best comment of the thread, no doubt. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 8/29/2024 4:07:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SiVisPacem: I've been to Kosovo and have met Serbs. The OP picked a great name because, like many of the Serbs I met, his carry idea is full of failure. They've fought more wars than you've seen dirty movies, Im sure they know a thing or two. |
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Posted: 8/29/2024 4:14:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CommanderPikeBishop: Can you rationally present why that is so? I have a ready to fire weapon with zero accidental discharge risk. What exactly is the problem? So far all Ive heard are ad hominems and insults which carry negative persuasive value in my world. Best comment of the thread, no doubt. Your guns only fire if you pull the trigger, so on one of them, you still have that risk. If you're not comfortable carrying one in the chamber, you're not competent enough to carry, period. |
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Posted: 8/29/2024 5:44:14 PM EDT
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Cross post this in GD lol
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Posted: 8/29/2024 6:58:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CommanderPikeBishop: They've fought more wars than you've seen dirty movies, Im sure they know a thing or two. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CommanderPikeBishop: Originally Posted By SiVisPacem: I've been to Kosovo and have met Serbs. The OP picked a great name because, like many of the Serbs I met, his carry idea is full of failure. They've fought more wars than you've seen dirty movies, Im sure they know a thing or two. First of all, I've watched a LOT of porn, so that's highly unlikely. Second of all, the reason I was there was because I, as a member of a more professional, better equipped, better trained, better disciplined, Army was entrusted with the responsibility of keeping them and their murderous rape fantasies in check. You may THINK they're better warriors than I, but their unwillingness to fuck around and find out proves otherwise. Third, if they were such a smart, successful nation of warriors they'd be more of a European powerhouse, rather than a third world backwater whose only accomplishments have consisted of murdering and raping women, children, and old people. The fact is, the only people Serbs can beat in combat are unarmed Romas and Albanians. That's not a martial history upon which to build a foundation of your revolutionary system of gun fighting. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 8/29/2024 7:17:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: CommanderPikeBishop]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SiVisPacem: First of all, I've watched a LOT of porn, so that's highly unlikely. You didn't have to say it, I could tell. |
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Posted: 8/29/2024 7:21:06 PM EDT
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Carry a loaded gun around your house to adjust your comfort level. Then mowing the yard. Then making quick gas station/store trips. Next thing you know you will get past that worry.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 8/29/2024 7:34:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -OdieGreen-: Carry a loaded gun around your house to adjust your comfort level. Then mowing the yard. Then making quick gas station/store trips. Next thing you know you will get past that worry. At home I carry a revolver on my way to a rifle. |
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SD, USA
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Posted: 8/29/2024 7:42:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: fgshoot]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By etslick: I know an older gunsmith that had a neighbor that died from a revolver AD. Story was he bent down to pick up a newspaper and it fell out of the holster and hit the concrete. Shot him straight in the chest and DRT. It was made before they had transfer bar safeties so maybe those work. It definitely was a thing at one point carrying a revolver on an empty chamber. They still do in SASS. I get where OP is coming from and i may or may not fully agree but he is right about it being physically impossible to have an AD with what he describes. At what cost is the real question. The only revolver even semi-recent I can think of with no safety is a Ruger Blackhawk pre-1972 that hasn't had the conversion. I can't think of any post-WWII revolvers that aren't drop safe. That was 80 years ago, hardly relevant. Hell, even a Ruger Old Army cap and ball revolver is drop safe since you can rest the hammer between cylinders. So if your revolver remembers the great depression, then maybe double check how it works. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 8/29/2024 8:05:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: CommanderPikeBishop]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By etslick: I know an older gunsmith that had a neighbor that died from a revolver AD. Story was he bent down to pick up a newspaper and it fell out of the holster and hit the concrete. Shot him straight in the chest and DRT. It was made before they had transfer bar safeties so maybe those work. It definitely was a thing at one point carrying a revolver on an empty chamber. They still do in SASS. I get where OP is coming from and i may or may not fully agree but he is right about it being physically impossible to have an AD with what he describes. At what cost is the real question. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By etslick: I know an older gunsmith that had a neighbor that died from a revolver AD. Story was he bent down to pick up a newspaper and it fell out of the holster and hit the concrete. Shot him straight in the chest and DRT. It was made before they had transfer bar safeties so maybe those work. It definitely was a thing at one point carrying a revolver on an empty chamber. They still do in SASS. I get where OP is coming from and i may or may not fully agree but he is right about it being physically impossible to have an AD with what he describes. At what cost is the real question. I didn't see this post until it was quoted, but it is most appreciated, well said. Everything is a balance of factors and costs, and thats something everyone must judge and decide for themselves. Originally Posted By fgshoot: The only revolver even semi-recent I can think of with no safety is a Ruger Blackhawk pre-1972 that hasn't had the conversion. I can't think of any post-WWII revolvers that aren't drop safe. That was 80 years ago, hardly relevant. Hell, even a Ruger Old Army cap and ball revolver is drop safe since you can rest the hammer between cylinders. So if your revolver remembers the great depression, then maybe double check how it works. I understand that according to mechanical principles and designs, there is a great safety factor in both DA pistols and revolvers, but it comes down to what you trust. If youre comfortable trusting engineers and manufacturers to deliver absolute infallible safety, that is your choice. Me personally, unless I built and tested that mechanism thoroughly, I wont trust it absolutely, and maybe not even then. Its really a metaphysical principle as much as a mechanical one. Its what I know I can trust versus what Im told/convinced I should trust. |
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Posted: 8/29/2024 8:30:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BuddyChryst]
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At first, I thought OP was trolling. Then I saw join date and location and realized he’s just a young kid who’s all hopped up thinking they’re going to save a bus load of nuns and mentally masturbating reasons ways to carry every firearm they own at once.
Chill out OP. Before you do something silly and hurt someone or yourself. |
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KS, USA
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Posted: 8/29/2024 8:54:58 PM EDT
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OP is to Glocks what I am to P320s.
Maybe I am also irrational and need to transcend my irrationality by getting a P320 |
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SD, USA
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Posted: 8/29/2024 9:03:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CommanderPikeBishop: I didn't see this post until it was quoted, but it is most appreciated, well said. Everything is a balance of factors and costs, and thats something everyone must judge and decide for themselves. I understand that according to mechanical principles and designs, there is a great safety factor in both DA pistols and revolvers, but it comes down to what you trust. If youre comfortable trusting engineers and manufacturers to deliver absolute infallible safety, that is your choice. Me personally, unless I built and tested that mechanism thoroughly, I wont trust it absolutely, and maybe not even then. Its really a metaphysical principle as much as a mechanical one. Its what I know I can trust versus what Im told/convinced I should trust. So test them. |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 8/29/2024 9:04:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ParityError: Carry a DA/SA or DAO auto and be done with it, if you only trust a DA first shot. Carrying a revolver and an unloaded auto is just silly. +1. If uncomfortable cocked and locked or striker gun, get an sig or m9. Empty chamber is unnecessary on modern revolvers as well. |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 8/29/2024 9:09:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillofRights: It’s not sniping. I was posting my appreciation of your effort to liven up an otherwise slow day on Arfcom. Fwiw, your “Serbian Carry System” actually Doubles the chance that you will have a gun related mishap. True. Also higher probability of getting that empty revolver chamber in the wrong spot. Oops pull trigger and nothing. Forgetting to rack slide on revolver, etc. too many steps. When you need to shoot, you shoot. |
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Posted: 8/30/2024 12:07:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CommanderPikeBishop: Can you rationally present why that is so? I have a ready to fire weapon with zero accidental discharge risk. What exactly is the problem? So far all Ive heard are ad hominems and insults which carry negative persuasive value in my world. Best comment of the thread, no doubt. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CommanderPikeBishop: Originally Posted By Strela: I'm trying to think of a none GD-level response, but the best I can say is that I hope you never have to use it. Can you rationally present why that is so? I have a ready to fire weapon with zero accidental discharge risk. What exactly is the problem? So far all Ive heard are ad hominems and insults which carry negative persuasive value in my world. Originally Posted By Blacktoothgrin: Sig 320 exempted Best comment of the thread, no doubt. I was going to say something else, but this pretty much sums it up: "You have developed a needlessly complicated and unnecessary "system" to address a problem that is in your head." I've heard it voiced a number of ways, but it boils down to "no plan survives first contact." It is my opinion that your "system" is an overly complicated response to a situation (an AD from a properly holstered firearm possibly harming your friends and family) that has an extremely low possibility of happening. If you demand .00000 percent of this happening, that's your decision. Just don't expect everyone else to share your eureka moment. When you announce that you have come up with a "perfect" system for avoiding a problem that many of us here don't share, you should expect some pushback. If you don't like what you perceive as ad hominems, maybe some don't like being lectured by someone who claims to have come up with a "perfect" anything. I'm sorry, but your "the facts speak for themselves and no one can challenge them" is just a little too presumptuous for me. |
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USA
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Posted: 8/30/2024 2:04:57 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By CommanderPikeBishop: One question that keeps coming up in semi-auto concealed carry is to pipe or not to pipe. To carry with a round chambered vs unchambered. Most eventually agree that it makes no sense to carry without the +1 loaded because having to rack the slide after drawing in a critical situation is not advisable. But many are still rightly nervous to carry with a hot chamber because it violates the first rule of handguns - don't point at what you don't want to destroy. The system I have devised is based on absolute, total safety - without compromising readiness, reliability or capacity. I call it Serbian carry. It consists of two handguns. A primary weapon, a crossdraw carry revolver with an empty chamber under the hammer and the rest of the cylinder loaded, and a secondary semiauto with an empty chamber carried at three o'clock (carry positions can vary to suit the operator's preference). No matter what happens, those firearms will not go off accidentally. You could get hit by a bus crossing the street and both guns could fly into a wall or under a truck, they still wont fire. However, if a threat arises, no racking is necessary to fire the primary firearm and meet the threat with deadly force, giving you time to draw the secondary weapon and rack it, one handed if need be. I devised this system with my Charter Arms pitbull in .45acp and Glock 30, carried at 10 and 3 o'clock respectively but of course you can adapt it to your caliber and carry preference. All rights reserved. https://i.imgur.com/krsgb21.jpeg No. Go get some formal training, and get back to us. |
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Posted: 8/30/2024 2:41:06 AM EDT
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lol
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Posted: 8/30/2024 2:51:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fgshoot: This seems like something a Florida man would do. |
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Posted: 8/30/2024 2:52:40 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By CommanderPikeBishop: One question that keeps coming up in semi-auto concealed carry is to pipe or not to pipe. To carry with a round chambered vs unchambered. Most eventually agree that it makes no sense to carry without the +1 loaded because having to rack the slide after drawing in a critical situation is not advisable. But many are still rightly nervous to carry with a hot chamber because it violates the first rule of handguns - don't point at what you don't want to destroy. The system I have devised is based on absolute, total safety - without compromising readiness, reliability or capacity. I call it Serbian carry. It consists of two handguns. A primary weapon, a crossdraw carry revolver with an empty chamber under the hammer and the rest of the cylinder loaded, and a secondary semiauto with an empty chamber carried at three o'clock (carry positions can vary to suit the operator's preference). No matter what happens, those firearms will not go off accidentally. You could get hit by a bus crossing the street and both guns could fly into a wall or under a truck, they still wont fire. However, if a threat arises, no racking is necessary to fire the primary firearm and meet the threat with deadly force, giving you time to draw the secondary weapon and rack it, one handed if need be. I devised this system with my Charter Arms pitbull in .45acp and Glock 30, carried at 10 and 3 o'clock respectively but of course you can adapt it to your caliber and carry preference. All rights reserved. https://i.imgur.com/krsgb21.jpeg |
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Posted: 8/30/2024 4:20:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CommanderPikeBishop: They've fought more wars than you've seen dirty movies, Im sure they know a thing or two. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CommanderPikeBishop: Originally Posted By SiVisPacem: I've been to Kosovo and have met Serbs. The OP picked a great name because, like many of the Serbs I met, his carry idea is full of failure. They've fought more wars than you've seen dirty movies, Im sure they know a thing or two. How many have they won? 
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Posted: 8/30/2024 5:21:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: TGWLDR]
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Nvrmnd
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SD, USA
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Posted: 8/30/2024 11:54:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: fgshoot]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CommanderPikeBishop: Can you rationally present why that is so? I have a ready to fire weapon with zero accidental discharge risk. What exactly is the problem? So far all Ive heard are ad hominems and insults which carry negative persuasive value in my world. Best comment of the thread, no doubt. Lol. Are you the Florida man final boss, or the ultimate troll? |
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Posted: 8/30/2024 3:46:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: pi20]
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I wonder which occurs most often:
1. Concealed carrier discharges gun in self defense; Or 2. Concealed carrier has a negligent discharge when holstering weapon or during administrative handling. I bet #2 is FAR more common than #1. Carrying without a round in the chamber significantly reduces risk of #2. We’re all capable of having a negligent discharge, mitigating this risk is as important as being prepared to defend yourself with a firearm. Everyone needs to do their own risk assessment and prepare as they see necessary. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 8/30/2024 4:00:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dmk0210]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By etslick: I know an older gunsmith that had a neighbor that died from a revolver AD. Story was he bent down to pick up a newspaper and it fell out of the holster and hit the concrete. Shot him straight in the chest and DRT. It was made before they had transfer bar safeties so maybe those work. It definitely was a thing at one point carrying a revolver on an empty chamber. They still do in SASS. I get where OP is coming from and i may or may not fully agree but he is right about it being physically impossible to have an AD with what he describes. At what cost is the real question. People spend $300 to $1000 on a carry gun, but then they won't spend more than $19 on a proper holster for it (and I'm not going to even go into getting a proper belt). If you can't turn your holster upside down without the gun falling out, it's an unsafe crappy holster. If it needs a velcro strap to hold the gun in, it's an unsafe crappy holster. Please people, don't be that guy. We already see enough idiot gun owners making us all look bad in the news. |
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Posted: 8/30/2024 5:00:22 PM EDT
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Just appendix carry a Glock with a loaded chamber like The Lord intended.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 8/30/2024 5:15:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pi20: I wonder which occurs most often: 1. Concealed carrier discharges gun in self defense; Or 2. Concealed carrier has a negligent discharge when holstering weapon or during administrative handling. I bet #2 is FAR more common than #1. Carrying without a round in the chamber significantly reduces risk of #2. We’re all capable of having a negligent discharge, mitigating this risk is as important as being prepared to defend yourself with a firearm. Everyone needs to do their own risk assessment and prepare as they see necessary. Thank you for the drop of logic and reason in a sea of groupthink delirium. |
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Posted: 8/30/2024 6:00:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CommanderPikeBishop: Thank you for the drop of logic and reason in a sea of groupthink delirium. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CommanderPikeBishop: Originally Posted By pi20: I wonder which occurs most often: 1. Concealed carrier discharges gun in self defense; Or 2. Concealed carrier has a negligent discharge when holstering weapon or during administrative handling. I bet #2 is FAR more common than #1. Carrying without a round in the chamber significantly reduces risk of #2. We're all capable of having a negligent discharge, mitigating this risk is as important as being prepared to defend yourself with a firearm. Everyone needs to do their own risk assessment and prepare as they see necessary. Thank you for the drop of logic and reason in a sea of groupthink delirium. |
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Posted: 8/30/2024 6:07:01 PM EDT
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Look a modern revolver is simply not going to go off unless you pull the trigger, whether it's a transfer bar or other system it doesn't matter, so there's zero point in carrying a revolver with an empty chamber, period.
And if you do work that trigger by accident, the only thing that will save you from an AD is having the next chamber in line empty (not the one under the hammer), but if you do that you're gonna pull your gun and it's just going to go click when you pull the trigger. You're dead wrong here OP. We all have been wrong here at some point in the past, no shame in it, and takes a good man to listen to advice, admit he was wrong, and change his protocol. |
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