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IA, USA
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Posted: 8/27/2024 6:54:45 PM EDT
Our department issues Gen 5 Glock 17’s (Now buying 47’s). In the last two weeks we have had 2 guns suffer catastrophic malfunctions caused by the recoil springs disassembling inside of the gun. The incident today left the gun completely inoperable and none of us armorers could get the slide off to replace the spring. We called glock and they asked us to send the gun back for examination and will be replacing all of our recoil springs. The affected serial number prefixes for our two failures are BYLW and BYLV. Just something to be aware of.
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Posted: 8/27/2024 8:29:45 PM EDT
[#1]
Yea, this is not the first I have heard of this.
Something changed in design or a bad batch. |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 9:13:48 PM EDT
[#2]
Thanks for the heads up
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Posted: 8/27/2024 9:15:57 PM EDT
[#3]
Great- and I just ordered a 17/5 MOS today….
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FL, USA
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Posted: 8/27/2024 10:47:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MarkHatfield]
[#4]
Has happened to me on a different model, a 26. That double spring thing failed, rode over one another. Was years ago. Very difficult to get the gun apart.
When the new 'captive' single spring on the rod, came out to replace the original version on the 17s and 19s, one snapped in my hand. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 8/28/2024 9:29:51 AM EDT
[#5]
thanks for heads up. I really wish glock would make a metal guide rod.
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Posted: 8/28/2024 7:13:41 PM EDT
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News to me
Have pics? |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 8/28/2024 9:28:58 PM EDT
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No pics but I can describe what happened on the 2nd occurrence. The officer finished cleaning his glock and reassembled it. He then performed a function check and when racking the slide to the rear, the plastic guide rod went shooting out of the front of the gun. The 2 springs inside, now non captured, unsprung and locked up the gun completely. We tried removing the striker assembly but the slide still wouldn’t budge.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 8/28/2024 10:33:50 PM EDT
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How will glock get the slide off without destroying something?
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Posted: 9/2/2024 1:58:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By madbubba: How will glock get the slide off without destroying something? Good question. Maybe try to knock all the frame pins out and disassemble the slide, remove the back plate. If that fails they will probably use violence and destroy the gun. I wouldn't want that gun back afterwards anyway. Glock probably had $50 invested in that gun so I think they are more curious to find the cause than trying to save it. |
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Posted: 9/2/2024 3:10:55 PM EDT
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What caused the design of putting double recoil springs in to a pistol to come about? I think my S&W 380 and Plus 9 both have them.
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Posted: 9/2/2024 3:53:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Spleenless-Dave: What caused the design of putting double recoil springs in to a pistol to come about? I think my S&W 380 and Plus 9 both have them. Glock started theirs with the G26 and G27. I don't recall having any non-glocks with a double recoil spring assembly, but most of what I've had has been Glocks or Glock copies. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 9/2/2024 5:23:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Spleenless-Dave: What caused the design of putting double recoil springs in to a pistol to come about? I think my S&W 380 and Plus 9 both have them. Ludwig Seecamp invented the "Seecamp Spring" for his pocket pistols. The advantage of this type of spring is that it situates the springs in parallel, but they act as though they are in series. This provides a compact spring that has a low spring rate, which permits a physically short spring assembly to hold the slide in battery with a large force, while not being overstressed in the fully-recoiled position. It's probably impossible to fit a conventional round-wire spring into a compact or subcompact glock that can 1) provide sufficient holding force in-battery, 2) collapse to a short enough solid-height, and 3) not be overstressed. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 9/5/2024 6:37:49 PM EDT
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hopefully not the same as a G34 Gen5??
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Posted: 9/5/2024 7:19:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mew: hopefully not the same as a G34 Gen5?? Pretty sure it's exactly the same. It is on the Gen3. |
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USA
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Posted: 9/6/2024 2:29:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brownbomber: Ludwig Seecamp invented the "Seecamp Spring" for his pocket pistols. The advantage of this type of spring is that it situates the springs in parallel, but they act as though they are in series. This provides a compact spring that has a low spring rate, which permits a physically short spring assembly to hold the slide in battery with a large force, while not being overstressed in the fully-recoiled position. It's probably impossible to fit a conventional round-wire spring into a compact or subcompact glock that can 1) provide sufficient holding force in-battery, 2) collapse to a short enough solid-height, and 3) not be overstressed. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brownbomber: Originally Posted By Spleenless-Dave: What caused the design of putting double recoil springs in to a pistol to come about? I think my S&W 380 and Plus 9 both have them. Ludwig Seecamp invented the "Seecamp Spring" for his pocket pistols. The advantage of this type of spring is that it situates the springs in parallel, but they act as though they are in series. This provides a compact spring that has a low spring rate, which permits a physically short spring assembly to hold the slide in battery with a large force, while not being overstressed in the fully-recoiled position. It's probably impossible to fit a conventional round-wire spring into a compact or subcompact glock that can 1) provide sufficient holding force in-battery, 2) collapse to a short enough solid-height, and 3) not be overstressed. I've never heard it explained like that, but it makes a lot of sense. Thanks for that. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 12:21:18 PM EDT
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OP, have pics? I dont think this is a very common occurrence but anything can and will break.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 10/8/2024 6:08:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mew]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DavidY: Pretty sure it's exactly the same. It is on the Gen3. You are trying to say the Gen.3 and Gen. 5 recoil assembly are the same?? Doesn't seem 2 generations later the same recoil assembly would be used. Do you have part numbers or where are you getting your information? |
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Posted: 10/8/2024 10:06:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DavidY]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DavidY: Pretty sure it's exactly the same. It is on the Gen3. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DavidY: Originally Posted By mew: hopefully not the same as a G34 Gen5?? Pretty sure it's exactly the same. It is on the Gen3. Originally Posted By mew: Originally Posted By DavidY: Pretty sure it's exactly the same. It is on the Gen3. You are trying to say the Gen.3 and Gen. 5 recoil assembly are the same?? Doesn't seem 2 generations later the same recoil assembly would be used. Do you have part numbers or where are you getting your information? It's infinitely more helpful if you quote the person that I was quoting and answering. But my reply to your question is..... Not even close. The original post is about the Gen5 G17. The person I quoted said "hopefully not the same as a G34 Gen5??" I replied it is. "It is on the Gen3" I assumed anyone could figure out that meant that I was conveying that the Gen3 G17 and the Gen3 G34 both use the same RSA, same as how the G17 and G34 in their Gen5 forms also share most components. Not that the Gen3 shared anything with the Gen5. If anyone somehow misconstrued what I said to thinking the Gen 5 and Gen 3 share the same RSA, then that's on them. I really can't break down everything Barney style every time. |
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