Posted: 8/13/2026 11:11:45 AM EDT
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Just wondering if anyone is going to try and pick up a new supressor today? |
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I doubt any FFL is going to risk their entire business without first receiving proper guidance from the ATF. AZ law has a few statutes that apply to short barrel firearms that don't make it very clear how AZ residents may proceed. If you haven't already, I'd recommend joining the GOA so that you are part of the enjoined class. |
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Originally Posted By AT-ST83: I doubt any FFL is going to risk their entire business without first receiving proper guidance from the ATF. AZ law has a few statutes that apply to short barrel firearms that don't make it very clear how AZ residents may proceed. If you haven't already, I'd recommend joining the GOA so that you are part of the enjoined class. I will err on the side of caution and see how it all shakes out but Arizona seems to be OK based on this.  8. "Prohibited weapon": (a) Includes the following: (i) An item that is a bomb, grenade, rocket having a propellant charge of more than four ounces or mine and that is explosive, incendiary or poison gas. (ii) A device that is designed, made or adapted to muffle the report of a firearm. (iii) A firearm that is capable of shooting more than one shot automatically, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. (iv) A rifle with a barrel length of less than sixteen inches, or shotgun with a barrel length of less than eighteen inches, or any firearm that is made from a rifle or shotgun and that, as modified, has an overall length of less than twenty-six inches. B. The items set forth in subsection A, paragraph 8, subdivision (a), items (i), (ii), (iii) and (iv) of this section do not include any firearms or devices that are possessed, manufactured or transferred in compliance with federal law. https://www.azleg.gov/ars/13/03101.htm |
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Originally Posted By acrocat: I will err on the side of caution and see how it all shakes out but Arizona seems to be OK based on this. 8. "Prohibited weapon": (a) Includes the following: (i) An item that is a bomb, grenade, rocket having a propellant charge of more than four ounces or mine and that is explosive, incendiary or poison gas. (ii) A device that is designed, made or adapted to muffle the report of a firearm. (iii) A firearm that is capable of shooting more than one shot automatically, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. (iv) A rifle with a barrel length of less than sixteen inches, or shotgun with a barrel length of less than eighteen inches, or any firearm that is made from a rifle or shotgun and that, as modified, has an overall length of less than twenty-six inches. B. The items set forth in subsection A, paragraph 8, subdivision (a), items (i), (ii), (iii) and (iv) of this section do not include any firearms or devices that are possessed, manufactured or transferred in compliance with federal law. https://www.azleg.gov/ars/13/03101.htm There is no federal law. A court ruling doesn’t make law other than case law. The law/rules regarding NFA are still in place, just not enforceable by the Feds. |
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Originally Posted By Joe_Blacke: There is no federal law. A court ruling doesn’t make law other than case law. The law/rules regarding NFA are still in place, just not enforceable by the Feds. |
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EVT in Mesa (Mr Silencer) says theyre opening to non-form 4 tranfers: https://www.facebook.com/reel/1506896448131259 |
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CG Tactical in Casa Grande said they won't transfer anything other than Form 4 until they get specific guidance from ATFE/fed.gov, and I can't blame them. There are many places around the country that are doing it, just not many here, despite Silencer Shop listing AZ as a "Free State" in it's map for suppressors, due to the reading of 13-3101.
I can wait for them to sort it out, I haven't had a suppressor yet and I am in no hurry, but I think that the 'can called "Stacey's Mom K", (not kidding, that's the name), would be perfect for my SBR, and runs just a tad over $500. Of course, it's already out of stock. No worries. |
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Originally Posted By acrocat: No one said differently. The NFA statutes are still on the books; the injunction did not repeal them. But saying "there is no federal law" is not the argument. The question under Arizona law is whether the firearm is possessed, manufactured or transferred in compliance with federal law. For a person actually protected by the federal injunction, a federal court has held the specified NFA requirements unconstitutional as applied to the untaxed firearms and has prohibited the federal government from enforcing those requirements against that protected party. Unlike some other states, Arizona does not specify NFA registration. I am not ready to test that out, but nobody really knows at this point. Like most other people, I am just sitting back and seeing how it all unfolds. However this ends up being settled under federal law, Arizona most likely will be fine. As I said before there is no federal Law that allows transfers without a form 1 or form 4. The only laws on the books require a tax stamp. Az law says you have to follow federal law. The court ruling doesn’t change that. The court ruling says the federal penalties are not enforceable. We need to change state law that it no longer points to federal laws at all. |
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I just heard scottsdale gun club is doing non form 4 transfers too Fed law still treats them as firearms per GCA68 so a 4473 & NICS is required (both SGC & EVT state that in their announcements), so sale IS in compliance with fed law, therefore AZ legal. after spending 40 years telling myself I didn't want to be on the NFA list, the tax stamp went to $0. I mapped out what I wanted to own (a 9, a 5.56, etc.... multiple muzzle devices so I can swap them around).... not knowing how things would go with the lawsuit, and this being an election year, I went ahead and bought the whole list on a trust, picked them up a few weeks ago. so I've spent my suppressor money already. but I'm sure I'll buy more.... |
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Originally Posted By Joe_Blacke: As I said before there is no federal Law that allows transfers without a form 1 or form 4. The only laws on the books require a tax stamp. Az law says you have to follow federal law. The court ruling doesn’t change that. The court ruling says the federal penalties are not enforceable. We need to change state law that it no longer points to federal laws at all. As I said before, NFA statutes are not gone. Under a very strict reading, I understand your argument. The unanswered question is what Arizona’s “in compliance with federal law” means when a federal court has enjoined enforcement of those requirements against a protected person. Nobody really knows how an Arizona court would handle that yet, which is why I’m not interested in being the test case. Either way, Arizona will most likely be fine once this is settled. We just need to elect Andy Biggs and get the state law fixed. |
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EVT got my silencershop order and transferred it on a 4473. They had an interesting agreement form to sign first... NO LEGAL ADVICE. East Valley Tactical, LLC ("EVT") and its employees are not attorneys and have not provided me legal advice. Anything EVT has told me about Silencer Shop Foundation v. ATF, the National Firearms Act, or any other law is general information about EVT's own business practices, not advice about my situation. I have had the opportunity to consult an attorney of my choosing before signing. BASIS OF THESE TRANSFERS.This agreement covers every suppressor EVT transfers to me without an approved ATF Form 4, now or in the future, in reliance on the permanent injunction in Silencer Shop Foundation v. ATF, No. 6:25-CV-056-H (N.D. Tex.). The injunction protects specific parties, including current members of Gun Owners of America ("GOA"). It is not a repeal of the National Firearms Act, it is not nationwide, and it could be modified, stayed, or reversed by a court, or mooted by an act of Congress, after today. MY COVERAGE.I certify that as of the date of this agreement and of each such purchase I am a current member of GOA; that the membership documentation I provided to EVT is authentic, unaltered, and mine; that the name on it is my own legal name; and that every document I have provided to EVT in connection with each purchase is truthful and accurate. I understand that EVT is relying on my documentation, and that providing false documentation to obtain a firearm may be a crime. KEEPING COVERAGE.I understand the court's protection runs to CURRENT members. If I chose a one-time membership, my coverage as a GOA member has an expiration date, and continued possession of an unregistered suppressor after my membership lapses raises legal questions no court has answered. It is my responsibility — not EVT's — to keep my membership current or to seek legal advice about my options, which may include registration. DO NOT TAKE THEM OUT OF ARIZONA.I understand that 26 U.S.C. § 5861(j), covering interstate transport of unregistered NFA firearms, was not enjoined by the court, and that the laws of a destination state apply the moment I cross a state line — several nearby states tie suppressor legality to federal registration, and some states ban suppressors entirely. EVT has strongly advised me to keep the suppressors purchased this way within the State of Arizona, and has offered to process a voluntary Form 4 registration instead if I travel. HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS AND OTHERS. I understand the injunction's protection is specific to covered persons. My spouse, family members, and anyone else with access to these suppressors are NOT covered by my membership, and I will not transfer, lend, gift, or give access to any such suppressor to any person who is not independently covered (for example, a current GOA member) without seeking legal advice first. I will not transfer it to any prohibited person under any circumstances. NORMAL FEDERAL AND STATE LAW STILL APPLIES.Every transfer under this agreement includes an ATF Form 4473 and a background check (NICS or my valid Arizona CCW). Nothing about these purchases exempts me from the Gun Control Act, from 18 U.S.C. § 922(g), or from any Arizona law, including A.R.S. § 13-3101 et seq. IF THE LAW CHANGES.If the injunction is stayed, reversed, or superseded, or if ATF or Congress acts, the lawful path for these suppressors may change. Staying informed about the legal status of the items I own is solely my responsibility. EVT has no duty to monitor legal developments for me, no duty to notify me of any change in the law, and no obligation or ability to repurchase, store, or register these items on my behalf. RECORDS. I consent to EVT retaining copies of my GOA membership confirmation, this agreement, and the transaction records, and to EVT producing them to federal or state authorities where required by law or in response to a lawful inspection, subpoena, or audit. ASSUMPTION OF RISK; RELEASE. I am choosing the no-Form-4 path voluntarily, with the option of a voluntary Form 4 registration available to me at no additional charge. To the fullest extent permitted by law, I assume the legal risks of possessing unregistered suppressors described above, and I release and hold harmless EVT, its owners, and employees from any claim arising from later changes in the law or from my own violation of this agreement. This release does not cover EVT's own violation of law in conducting a transfer. |
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Only thing missing, “DISCLAIMER: USERS OF THIS CAR PARKING LOT DO SO AT THEIR OWN RISK. EVT MANAGEMENT DOES NOT ACCEPT LIABILITY FOR ANY ACCIDENTS, DAMAGE, OR LOSS INCURRED.” Joke. Well sort of, there always seems to be some happy new gun owner driving out of there in an endorphin fueled daze. Actually like how they outlined all the If, Ands or Buts to this situation. Also kudos to evt for extending the 4473 option to customers. |