Applying for New Jersey Concealed Carry -Update pg6. Got it! (Page 6 of 63)
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Originally Posted By Whamo: I'll add in there is strength in numbers. The more of us that apply and get permits, the better. Originally Posted By Whamo: Originally Posted By mhbaker81: Originally Posted By TheTallest: Originally Posted By KnuckleSandwich: Another shocker. Hopefully Scott Bach has lawsuits ready to go so this can get a tro as soon as it's signed. This is fast even for NJ. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/183521/Screenshot_20221018-070517_png-2567148.JPG This is why I don't think I'll even bother applying at this point. Not until these commie fucks are told to stop fucking with Americans rights. It's your choice, at the end of the day, but this is the wrong attitude to take, in my opinion, and is exactly what the assholes in power are counting on... an already rigorous application process, now compounded with the threat of even more restrictive legislation, all of which are designed to convince the public that it's not worth it and it is better to wait. Final result... they win and we lose with lower numbers of legally armed citizens. As another member said, you do you, but my advice to all is to not fall prey to this type of mental manipulation. Now is the time for as many people to submit their applications as possible. The Supreme Court has spoken and we now have precedent on our side. Even if this A4769 mess passes into law, I expect it to be blocked immediately, as was done in New York. Our rights in this state as free Americans will no longer be infringed. Next stop... mag capacity restrictions. Better to lead than follow. Submit your applications, folks. Rant over. I'll add in there is strength in numbers. The more of us that apply and get permits, the better. |
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Non Resident NJ Carry Permits IN HAND (103 Days total) NJ is now our 11th permit to Carry. We have permits for MD, D.C., PA, UT, FL, ME, RI, NH, CT, MA and NJ. __________________________________________ TIMELINE: ➡️Attempted to find a New Jersey Permit to Carry Training Class somewhere in New Jersey: 7/12/22 Attempt was unsuccessful. None of the New Jersey Instructors or Ranges I contacted would let me attend a Training Class in New Jersey without a NJ FID Card. ➡️Applied Online/FARS for NJ FID Card: 7/12/22 ➡️Scheduled Appointment for Permit to Carry Course & Qualification with NRA Instructor: 7/18/22 ➡️Scheduled Appointment via email for Permit Submission @Woodstown NJSP Barracks: 7/25/22 ➡️Scheduled Appointment online for Identogo Fingerprints: 7/25/22 ➡️Completed NJ Permit to Carry Training in Maryland: 7/27/22 by NRA Pistol Instructor ➡️Identogo Fingerprints @ PA Location: 7/28/22 ➡️Submitted Application @ Woodstown NJSP Barracks: 7/28/22 3 - Notarized Permit to Carry Applications 1 - Notarized Pistol Ownership Affidavit 1 - Training & Qualification Certificate 1 - Mental Health Form 4 - 1.5"x1.5" Passport Photos 1 - USPS Money Order 1 - Receipt for Identogo Fingerprints ➡️References Called: 8/11/22 ➡️Fingerprints Received: Unknown ➡️Background Check Completed: Unknown ➡️PTC Application was completed and "Snail Mailed": 8/15/22 Per NJSP Trooper @ Woodstown Barracks ➡️Letter Received from Salem County New Jersey Superior Court: 9/8/22 Letter has Hearing Date & Time. Must appear IN PERSON at Salem NJ County Superior Courthouse. ➡️Money Order Deposited/Cashed: 9/9/22 ➡️FID Issued/Me: 10/2/22 (83 Days) ➡️FID Issued/Wife:10/5/22 (86 Days) ➡️IN PERSON Court Date: 10/5/22, 9 A.M., Salem County NJ Superior Court (70 Days) There we're approximately 40 people in court for a Permit to Carry. 2 Applicants participated via zoom. The Judge was on a mission due to all of the applicants but was kind and professional. ➡️Permit Approved: 10/5/22 (70 Days) ➡️ Received Approved Court Order and COPIES of Permits (No Restrictions/Permits do list the handguns we qualified with): 10/22/22 (87 Days) ➡️NJSP to called for Permit Pick Up: 11/7/22 - Permit can be picked up at any time 24/7 (103 Days) ➡️Permit Picked Up: 11/7/22 (103 Days) Important Note: Non Resident Applicants may have to make 2-5 trips to NJ complete the Carry Permit process. 1) Identogo Fingerprints (Fingerprints don't have to be taken in the State of NJ.) 2) NJ Carry Permit Training Class & Qualification (Training/Qualification does not have to be taken in the State of NJ.) 3) Trip to NJ to submit the Application 4) Trip to NJ appear in Superior Court (Not all Counties/Judges require a Court Appearance.) 5) Trip to pickup the Carry Permit (Judge may not issue the permit on your Court Date.) |
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A4769 is back on the agenda for Monday, November 14, 2022 - 10:00 AM You can register to testify or oppose online if you can't make the meeting. Registration is only open until 3 pm today. A4769 - Makes various revisions to requirements for obtaining a firearm purchaser identification card, permit to purchase a handgun, and permit to carry a handgun; codifies sensitive places in which firearms and weapons are prohibited. https://www.njleg.state.nj.us/live-proceedings/2022-11-14-10:00:00/AJU/Meeting |
 GunForHireRadio #599 Welcome to NJ where Rights come to Die (unless you are a criminal). GFH #599 Some highlights: People volunteering to be plaintiffs. Tomorrow's judiciary meeting may strip some items from the Danielson bill. Superior judges and undercover state troopers qualifying at GFH. Judges don't want to be part of the process except for appeals. Most of the delays are with the police departments so track your money order to see when it's cashed by the court. Large increase in FID card applications. Get everyone you can to get a FID and apply for a carry permit because we need more people in the fight. Third highest NICS check and fourth highest gun purchase month ever. East Orange requiring extra money and mortgage statements, rental agreements, etc. when applying for carry permit. ID gets scanned at marijuana dispensaries even if you're picking up for someone else. It's either Bang or Bong. Hasbrouck Heights police claiming they are waiting on mental health info from the county. The county says no mental health backlog. |
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Originally Posted By Phoenix_III: Since I started the thread, Police had mu completed permit app end of August Received back granted Nov 8th Been carrying since. Congrats. Can you provide any more info? County? Did they give you any restrictions? |
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Originally Posted By KnuckleSandwich: Congrats. Can you provide any more info? County? Did they give you any restrictions? Originally Posted By KnuckleSandwich: Originally Posted By Phoenix_III: Since I started the thread, Police had mu completed permit app end of August Received back granted Nov 8th Been carrying since. Congrats. Can you provide any more info? County? Did they give you any restrictions? I'm also interested in what county and any restrictions you may have. The Assembly Judiciary is about to start it's meeting today on A4769. It was scheduled for 10 am this morning and they're late as usual. https://www.njleg.state.nj.us/live-proceedings ETA: The meeting is late because they're changing the language in the bill. ETA #2: The meeting was re-scheduled for noon. It's now 2:15 pm and still pending. ETA #3: Finally, live now at 2:52 pm ETA #4: Ended at 4:43 pm - Vote was 3 to 2 along party lines and the bill was released by committee substitute. |
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The bill passed the assembly judiciary committee and is on it's way to the next step whatever that may be. Here's one of the assemblyman's closing statements after previously calling assemblywoman Flynn tone deaf when she stated that the bill would hurt lower income folk and be unconstitutional:
ETA: Today's amendments added to Bill A4769 Removes the prohibition of "weapons" in sensitive places and changes the wording to "Destructive Devices" Makes it a second degree crime(previously a third degree crime)of possesing "Destructive Devices" in sensitive places Remove from current law a $20 fee imposed by the county clerks Clarifies that a chief of police officer Or the superintendent of the state police May delegate to subordinate officers the responsibilities of approving or issuing permits to carry a handgun and FPIC and PPH's Allows retired law enforcement officers to renew their permit to carry a handgun every 2 years Allows exemped persons to NJS 2c:39-6 to carry a firearm within the prohibited locations Requires insurance coverage to be at least in the amount of or limit of $300,000 for injury or death of more than one person and damage to property in any one incident.(No more varying amounts between the two) Establishment of a web portal training requirement is take place within 6 months of the bills enactment Provides that the requirements of the Chief of Police or the Superintendant to verify the training requirement and liability insurance prior to issuing a permit to carry a handgun are to remain inoperative for 6 months following the bill innactment It includes among the sensitive locations places used for storing or tabulation of ballots, medical offices, and ambulatory care facilities Clarifies that youth sporting competitions(doesn't include firearm shooting competitions) Clarifies that application determinations for a permit to carry a handgun that were pending before the superior court and filed prior to the bills enactment are to be made by the court Clarifies that a person would be disqualified from obtaining a FPIC or a PPH if the person has a substance use disorder involving drugs |
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Originally Posted By BSOG1: What does all that mean ? Do they know what a destructive device is ? it has to coincide with the Senate version. Murphy wants to sign it by December 31. They changed "weapon" in the bill to "destructive device" ( ie: firearms) so as not to ban knives, screwdrivers, broomsticks, etc. What does it all mean? They're trying to screw the law abiding by putting them in jail for unintentionally stepping into a sensitive place. That's what it all means. |
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Originally Posted By BSOG1: What is a sensitive place ? how is a handgun a destructive device ? lol As for a handgun being a destructive device, it's New Jersey after all. |
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Originally Posted By Demeroma: They changed "weapon" in the bill to "destructive device" ( ie: firearms) so as not to ban knives, screwdrivers, broomsticks, etc. I need to read the actual amendments to confirm, but if they really used the term "destructive device" (they CAN'T be that stupid, can they?), then I don't think they understand what they're trying to do. "Destructive Device" is defined in statute to mean: any device, instrument or object designed to explode or produce uncontrolled combustion, including (1) any explosive or incendiary bomb, mine or grenade; (2) any rocket having a propellant charge of more than four ounces or any missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than one-quarter of an ounce; (3) any weapon capable of firing a projectile of a caliber greater than 60 caliber, except a shotgun or shotgun ammunition generally recognized as suitable for sporting purposes; (4) any Molotov cocktail or other device consisting of a breakable container containing flammable liquid and having a wick or similar device capable of being ignited. The term does not include any device manufactured for the purpose of illumination, distress signaling, line-throwing, safety or similar purposes. … So if THAT'S really what's banned in all the "sensitive" places, I think I'm OK with that. |
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Originally Posted By Tom488: I need to read the actual amendments to confirm, but if they really used the term "destructive device" (they CAN'T be that stupid, can they?), then I don't think they understand what they're trying to do. "Destructive Device" is defined in statute to mean: any device, instrument or object designed to explode or produce uncontrolled combustion, including (1) any explosive or incendiary bomb, mine or grenade; (2) any rocket having a propellant charge of more than four ounces or any missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than one-quarter of an ounce; (3) any weapon capable of firing a projectile of a caliber greater than 60 caliber, except a shotgun or shotgun ammunition generally recognized as suitable for sporting purposes; (4) any Molotov cocktail or other device consisting of a breakable container containing flammable liquid and having a wick or similar device capable of being ignited. The term does not include any device manufactured for the purpose of illumination, distress signaling, line-throwing, safety or similar purposes. So if THAT'S really what's banned in all the "sensitive" places, I think I'm OK with that. Good point. So by replacing "weapon" in the bill with "destructive device" they're unknowingly doing us a favor. Here's the definition of "weapon" in section r of N.J.S.2C:39-1 r."Weapon" means anything readily capable of lethal use or of inflicting serious bodily injury. The term includes, but is not limited to, all (1) firearms, even though not loaded or lacking a clip or other component to render them immediately operable; (2) components which can be readily assembled into a weapon; (3) gravity knives, switchblade knives, daggers, dirks, stilettos, or other dangerous knives, billies, blackjacks, bludgeons, metal knuckles, sandclubs, slingshots, cesti or similar leather bands studded with metal filings or razor blades imbedded in wood; and (4) stun guns; and any weapon or other device which projects, releases, or emits tear gas or any other substance intended to produce temporary physical discomfort or permanent injury through being vaporized or otherwise dispensed in the air. |
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in PA , Class 3 items that are destructive devices are M203 grenande launchers, mortars etc. they dont have a fkn clue what they are classifying. a handgun will never be a destructive device. might as well call my spouse one. lol lol i cant take how they break Constitutional Law .... and then order everyone else to follow their laws. |
Next we have to worry about every individual County in NJ  An amendment to the Union County Code voted on last Thursday and set to be published Wednesday bans firearms from property owned by or affiliated with the county, or in county-operated public transportation vehicles. A release from the Union County Commissioners on Monday noted an exemption for law enforcement. The commissioners said properties covered by the ban include but are not limited to parks, office buildings, and the Union County Courthouse and Family Court. Read More: NJ county bans firearms, except for police, on county property | https://nj1015.com/nj-county-bans-firearms-except-for-law-enforcement-on-county-property/?utm_source=tsmclip&utm_medium=referral https://nj1015.com/nj-county-bans-firearms-except-for-law-enforcement-on-county-property/ |
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Originally Posted By Whamo: Next we have to worry about every individual County in NJ https://nj1015.com/nj-county-bans-firearms-except-for-law-enforcement-on-county-property/ Originally Posted By Whamo: Next we have to worry about every individual County in NJ An amendment to the Union County Code voted on last Thursday and set to be published Wednesday bans firearms from property owned by or affiliated with the county, or in county-operated public transportation vehicles. A release from the Union County Commissioners on Monday noted an exemption for law enforcement. The commissioners said properties covered by the ban include but are not limited to parks, office buildings, and the Union County Courthouse and Family Court. Read More: NJ county bans firearms, except for police, on county property | https://nj1015.com/nj-county-bans-firearms-except-for-law-enforcement-on-county-property/?utm_source=tsmclip&utm_medium=referral https://nj1015.com/nj-county-bans-firearms-except-for-law-enforcement-on-county-property/ If I recall correctly, I thought NJ actually had decent preemption. Unless they repealed it. |
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Meh. History says no one gives a fuck what unarmed people think.......no matter how many of them there are. - bigairt
Meh. History says no one gives a fuck what unarmed people think.......no matter how many of them there are. - bigairt
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Originally Posted By Tom488: I need to read the actual amendments to confirm, but if they really used the term "destructive device" (they CAN'T be that stupid, can they?), then I don't think they understand what they're trying to do. "Destructive Device" is defined in statute to mean: any device, instrument or object designed to explode or produce uncontrolled combustion, including (1) any explosive or incendiary bomb, mine or grenade; (2) any rocket having a propellant charge of more than four ounces or any missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than one-quarter of an ounce; (3) any weapon capable of firing a projectile of a caliber greater than 60 caliber, except a shotgun or shotgun ammunition generally recognized as suitable for sporting purposes; (4) any Molotov cocktail or other device consisting of a breakable container containing flammable liquid and having a wick or similar device capable of being ignited. The term does not include any device manufactured for the purpose of illumination, distress signaling, line-throwing, safety or similar purposes. So if THAT'S really what's banned in all the "sensitive" places, I think I'm OK with that. Originally Posted By Tom488: I need to read the actual amendments to confirm, but if they really used the term "destructive device" (they CAN'T be that stupid, can they?), then I don't think they understand what they're trying to do. "Destructive Device" is defined in statute to mean: any device, instrument or object designed to explode or produce uncontrolled combustion, including (1) any explosive or incendiary bomb, mine or grenade; (2) any rocket having a propellant charge of more than four ounces or any missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than one-quarter of an ounce; (3) any weapon capable of firing a projectile of a caliber greater than 60 caliber, except a shotgun or shotgun ammunition generally recognized as suitable for sporting purposes; (4) any Molotov cocktail or other device consisting of a breakable container containing flammable liquid and having a wick or similar device capable of being ignited. The term does not include any device manufactured for the purpose of illumination, distress signaling, line-throwing, safety or similar purposes. So if THAT'S really what's banned in all the "sensitive" places, I think I'm OK with that. A4769 Statement and Assembly Committee Substitute excerpt: 7. (New section) Places where the carrying of a firearm or destructive device is prohibited. a. Except as otherwise provided in this section and in the case of a brief, incidental entry onto property, which shall be deemed a de minimis infraction within the contemplation of N.J.S.2C:2-11, it shall be a crime of the third degree for any person, other than a person lawfully carrying a firearm within the authorized scope of an exemption set forth in N.J.S.2C:39-6, to knowingly carry a firearm as defined in subsection f. of N.J.S.2C:39-1 and a crime of the second degree to knowingly possess a destructive device as defined in subsection c. of N.J.S.2C:39-1 in any of the following places, including in or upon any part of the buildings, grounds, or parking area of: IANAL and may be very wrong but best I can figure is PTC holders may fall under the exemptions. Anyone smarter and with less blurry eyes than me care to comment? |
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Originally Posted By Demeroma: IANAL and may be very wrong but best I can figure is PTC holders may fall under the exemptions. Anyone smarter and with less blurry eyes than me care to comment? No, PTC holders do not fall under any 2C:39-6 exemptions. Those are exemptions for those who can carry WITHOUT having PTC's - military, cops, federal officers, security personnel, etc. Then the exemptions get specifically expanded to protect all of their "buddies": prosecutors and judges. And the language used in the overall bill addresses both "firearms" and "destructive devices". The majority of this bill, if it passes (which it most likely will) is going to be shot down just like NY's version was. |
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Thanks for clarifying Tom. It was wishful thinking on my part. Here's today's NJ101.5 article on the progress of the bill: NJ concealed-carry gun bill rewritten to gain key endorsements |
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Just got a call from a long time friend in Essex county. He handed in his application on July 1st and got a call to pick up his PTC today. The only box checked on the back of his card was to see the court order. Restricted to the gun he qualified with and has to carry the order. According to the person he spoke with at his police department there were 350 PTC's signed in Essex county today. |
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Originally Posted By BSOG1: is your vehicle still a sensitive place ? Of course: A person, other than a person lawfully carrying a firearm within the authorized scope of an exemption set forth in subsection a., c., or l. of N.J.S.2C:39-6, who is otherwise authorized under the law to carry or transport a firearm shall not do so while in a vehicle in New Jersey, unless the handgun is unloaded and contained in a closed and securely fastened case, gunbox, or locked unloaded in the trunk of the vehicle. |
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LOL they are so rediculous. the tax paying base to them is nothing but give me your money you worthless shit stains. and many just vote them in over and over again. wow. and whats funny just over the border to the west no one gives a shit who carrys a legal gun. its not even talked about. just amazing NJ Originally Posted By Tom488: Of course: A person, other than a person lawfully carrying a firearm within the authorized scope of an exemption set forth in subsection a., c., or l. of N.J.S.2C:39-6, who is otherwise authorized under the law to carry or transport a firearm shall not do so while in a vehicle in New Jersey, unless the handgun is unloaded and contained in a closed and securely fastened case, gunbox, or locked unloaded in the trunk of the vehicle. |
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Yes it is ridiculous and tiresome and even has me considering moving west or south or anyplace else other than staying in NJ. But until that time I'll do what I can and start emailing the politicians before the full Assembly meets on Monday. Probably wasting my time but what the heck. Assembly Session Monday, November 21, 2022 - 10:00 AM A4769 Makes various revisions to requirements for obtaining a firearm purchaser identification card, permit to purchase a handgun, and permit to carry a handgun; codifies sensitive places in which firearms and weapons are prohibited. |
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your wasting your time bud. i hate to tell you that. in NJ you pay thru your ass for their comfy pays and pensions. live with a gun to your head. and god forbid you carry one or have 11 rounds in a ten round mag. while the real criminals are out the same day. your money is used against you to choke you out. |
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i just can’t get over how they think they can re classify what a DD etc is over what’s been laid in stone since 1934… if that sticks I will be blown away. so then machine guns are cross bows now ? women are men and men are women , kids identity as toasters and shit… what do I know anymore?? NJ is absolutely fucked up. it’s scary. |
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read the big number 1 The committee substitute revised the bill to: 1) remove the prohibition on weapons in sensitive places and replace it with destructive devices; 2) establish a second degree crime of possessing destructive devices in sensitive locations; 3) remove from current law a $20 fee imposed by the county clerk; 4) clarify that a chief police officer or the Superintendent of State Police may delegate to subordinate officers the responsibilities of approving and issuing permits to carry a handgun and FPICs and PPHs; 5) allow retired law enforcement officers to renew their permits to carry a handgun every two years; 6) allow persons exempted pursuant to N.J.S.2C:39-6 to carry a firearm within the prohibited locations; 7) require the insurance coverage to be at least in an amount or limit of $300,000 for injury or death of more than one person and damage to property, in any one incident; as introduced the bill required varying coverage amounts for injury, death, and property damage; 8) provide that the establishment of a web portal and training requirement is to take place within six months of the bill’s enactment; 9) provide that the requirement that the chief police officer or superintendent to verify the training requirement and liability insurance prior to issuing a permit to carry a handgun are to remain inoperative for six months following the bill’s enactment; 10) include among the sensitive locations places used for storing or tabulation of ballots, medical offices, and ambulatory care facilities; 11) clarify that youth sporting competitions do not include firearm shooting competitions; 12) clarify that application determinations for a permit to carry a handgun that were pending before the Superior Court and filed prior to the bill’s enactment are to be made by the court; 13) clarify that a person would be disqualified from obtaining an FPIC or a PPH if the person has a substance use disorder involving drugs, under certain circumstances. As introduced, the bill used the term “drug dependent person,” rather than the more modern statutory term “substance use disorder involving drugs”; 14) expand the list of officials who are allowed to carry a firearm at all times in this State to certain judges, prosecutors, the Attorney General, assistant attorneys general, and deputy attorneys general; and 15) make clarifying and technical changes. |
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Originally Posted By BSOG1: read the big number 1 The committee substitute revised the bill to: 1) remove the prohibition on weapons in sensitive places and replace it with destructive devices; 2) establish a second degree crime of possessing destructive devices in sensitive locations; 3) remove from current law a $20 fee imposed by the county clerk; 4) clarify that a chief police officer or the Superintendent of State Police may delegate to subordinate officers the responsibilities of approving and issuing permits to carry a handgun and FPICs and PPHs; 5) allow retired law enforcement officers to renew their permits to carry a handgun every two years; 6) allow persons exempted pursuant to N.J.S.2C:39-6 to carry a firearm within the prohibited locations; 7) require the insurance coverage to be at least in an amount or limit of $300,000 for injury or death of more than one person and damage to property, in any one incident; as introduced the bill required varying coverage amounts for injury, death, and property damage; 8) provide that the establishment of a web portal and training requirement is to take place within six months of the bill’s enactment; 9) provide that the requirement that the chief police officer or superintendent to verify the training requirement and liability insurance prior to issuing a permit to carry a handgun are to remain inoperative for six months following the bill’s enactment; 10) include among the sensitive locations places used for storing or tabulation of ballots, medical offices, and ambulatory care facilities; 11) clarify that youth sporting competitions do not include firearm shooting competitions; 12) clarify that application determinations for a permit to carry a handgun that were pending before the Superior Court and filed prior to the bill’s enactment are to be made by the court; 13) clarify that a person would be disqualified from obtaining an FPIC or a PPH if the person has a substance use disorder involving drugs, under certain circumstances. As introduced, the bill used the term “drug dependent person,” rather than the more modern statutory term “substance use disorder involving drugs”; 14) expand the list of officials who are allowed to carry a firearm at all times in this State to certain judges, prosecutors, the Attorney General, assistant attorneys general, and deputy attorneys general; and 15) make clarifying and technical changes. 14 it's good to be the king's men. |
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Originally Posted By BSOG1: read the big number 1 The committee substitute revised the bill to: 1) remove the prohibition on weapons in sensitive places and replace it with destructive devices; That's not redefining destructive devices. That's saying that possession of a DD will be prohibited in sensitive places. The definition of DD remains as it always has - explosives, Molotov cocktails, and >.60 caliber weapons. And, including DD's in the "extra" prohibition of carrying in sensitive places is pointless, as general possession of DDs ANYWHERE is already illegal, and having a PTC does not change that. See 2C:39-3a: Any person who knowingly has in his possession any destructive device is guilty of a crime of the third degree. That's been law for many, many years now. ETA: Actually, they just increased the severity of the crime. Possess a DD in your home or on your property, and you're committing a 3rd degree crime. But, carry that DD onto your neighbor's property, and now it's a 2nd degree crime. |
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Am I incorrect ? it looked like they are trying to change the definition of handgun. what does DD have to do with all this ? lol why is that even on their minds ? PA I see DDs and no one cares… it’s amazing how bad they hate that stuff. I’m going to roll up my Howitzer to commit crime lol lol |
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This is floating around the various gun forums this morning: TL:DR Phone calls instead of emails are paid attention too. Guys, some inside information direct from a New Jersey assemblyman that strongly opposes A4769. The upcoming vote on Monday Nov 21 was a last minute surprise. Due to the short notice, attendance by assembly people is expected to be smaller than usual. They need 41 votes to pass the bill. I am told that if only 41 or 42 people actually show up to vote, the bill may not pass because some people don't want their vote to be the one that is responsible for the bill passing. Additionally, there are four specified democrats that we are possibly able to sway. Two of them are in mixed red/blue districts, meaning not hardcore dem district and the threat to their seats during the next election could be enough to persuade them to vote no. Two others are known to be reasonable minded people and logical persuasion might work. Assemblyman Paul D. Moriarty - 856-232-6700 and 856-401-3073 Assemblywoman Gabriela M. Mosquera - 856-232-6700 and 856-401-3073 Assemblyman Wayne P. DeAngelo - 609-631-7501 Assemblyman Roy Freiman - 908-829-4191 The assemblyman tells us that non-stop calls coming into the office (rather than emails) is paid attention to. If you keep their phones ringing off the hook we have the ability to influence their vote. Just be polite when doing so. He also tells us that, while we cannot testify, we can register our opposition and attend the vote on Monday. He says a show of force can also influence the vote of those that are on the fence. I am planning to head to Trenton on Monday. What can you do today? Keep calling these 4 assembly people, even if they don't represent your district. Let them know you oppose A4769! Just remember, its hard to convince someone to change their mind through harsh words and attacks. Make your opposition known like a pro! Today is the last business day before the vote. If you are going to call these offices, it needs to be today! ETA: Anthony Colandro |
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NJ Assembly Live (started at 10 am) Link ETA: A4769 passed in the Assembly. Yes - 42 No - 29 Abstaining - 1 |
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Originally Posted By Tom488: Of course: A person, other than a person lawfully carrying a firearm within the authorized scope of an exemption set forth in subsection a., c., or l. of N.J.S.2C:39-6, who is otherwise authorized under the law to carry or transport a firearm shall not do so while in a vehicle in New Jersey, unless the handgun is unloaded and contained in a closed and securely fastened case, gunbox, or locked unloaded in the trunk of the vehicle. Originally Posted By Tom488: Originally Posted By BSOG1: is your vehicle still a sensitive place ? Of course: A person, other than a person lawfully carrying a firearm within the authorized scope of an exemption set forth in subsection a., c., or l. of N.J.S.2C:39-6, who is otherwise authorized under the law to carry or transport a firearm shall not do so while in a vehicle in New Jersey, unless the handgun is unloaded and contained in a closed and securely fastened case, gunbox, or locked unloaded in the trunk of the vehicle. So by that text, unloaded and locked in a console safe is ok even for those witout a carry permit? |
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Originally Posted By GonnaNeedaBiggerBoat: So by that text, unloaded and locked in a console safe is ok even for those without a carry permit? Without the carry permit, it's only OK if you fall under one of the exemptions in 2C:39-6f - to/from a range, place of purchase, place of repair, exhibition, and maybe a few others. Otherwise, it's a 2nd degree crime (violation of 2C:39-5b). |
Senate Budget and Appropriations Monday, December 5, 2022 - 01:00 PM S3214 Makes various revisions to requirements for obtaining a firearm purchaser identification card, permit to purchase a handgun, and permit to carry a handgun; codifies sensitive places in which firearms and destructive devices are prohibited.* Link |
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Originally Posted By Demeroma:
Senate Budget and Appropriations Monday, December 5, 2022 - 01:00 PM S3214 Makes various revisions to requirements for obtaining a firearm purchaser identification card, permit to purchase a handgun, and permit to carry a handgun; codifies sensitive places in which firearms and destructive devices are prohibited.* Link It'll be signed into law before Christmas. Hopefully one of the gun orgs can get an injunction before summer. |
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Originally Posted By KnuckleSandwich: It'll be signed into law before Christmas. Hopefully one of the gun orgs can get an injunction before summer. As for me, I'm on day 75 since I applied and today got a call from the PD saying I didn't submit proof of ownership. So tomorrow I'll be supplying them with that proof....AGAIN
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