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Posted: 6/19/2024 7:48:14 PM EDT
I just purchased a complete lower assembly that I intend to put a 10.5" upper on. In it's assembled state it would be under 26". It was transferred to me by my FFL as a "Non-Pistol" because they stated they had to transfer it as they received it and in its current condition it's not a pistol.
Do I need to complete a Pistol Sales Record? I'm seeing conflicting arguments about the legality of technically selling a pistol to myself. Any experience others have had in Michigan in regard to this would be appreciated. |
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Posted: 6/20/2024 11:00:25 PM EDT
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I've built all my AR pistols on stripped receivers. Assuming you have a CPL, all you do is list yourself in the Seller section and mention SELF MADE on the form. I've never had an issue.
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Posted: 7/23/2024 7:54:18 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Synchronized: I just purchased a complete lower assembly that I intend to put a 10.5" upper on. In it's assembled state it would be under 26". It was transferred to me by my FFL as a "Non-Pistol" because they stated they had to transfer it as they received it and in its current condition it's not a pistol. Do I need to complete a Pistol Sales Record? I'm seeing conflicting arguments about the legality of technically selling a pistol to myself. Any experience others have had in Michigan in regard to this would be appreciated. Are you certain it’s under 26” once you put a brace or stock on it? I’m not sure my 10.3” is |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 1:05:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevenH: Are you certain it’s under 26” once you put a brace or stock on it? I’m not sure my 10.3” is |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 4:53:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Synchronized: In its shortest fire-able configuration it is under 26". Since the law does not specify what that entails I interpret that as the end of the buffer tube to the end of the barrel. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Synchronized: Originally Posted By StevenH: Are you certain it’s under 26” once you put a brace or stock on it? I’m not sure my 10.3” is In its shortest fire-able configuration it is under 26". Since the law does not specify what that entails I interpret that as the end of the buffer tube to the end of the barrel. I’ve read that is 25.5” with a milspec “buffer tube” and 10.5” Barrel with muzzle device removed. I have not confirmed and I’m reluctant to pull the flash suppressor off my 10.3” to measure it. As for the register or not debate. If you plan to have it loaded in your vehicle then having it registered as a pistol might sway a clueless cop or DNR trying to jam you up for a loaded rifle in your vehicle. |
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Posted: 7/28/2024 6:33:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevenH: I’ve read that is 25.5” with a milspec “buffer tube” and 10.5” Barrel with muzzle device removed. I have not confirmed and I’m reluctant to pull the flash suppressor off my 10.3” to measure it. As for the register or not debate. If you plan to have it loaded in your vehicle then having it registered as a pistol might sway a clueless cop or DNR trying to jam you up for a loaded rifle in your vehicle. That's ultimately why I did it. I'll be honest, I didn't pull my flash hider. I just measured to the base of it and added the ≈.620" that is supposed to be from the shoulder behind the threads to the end of the barrel. I was under 26" by a large enough margin that I wasn't worried about it. |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 6:48:42 PM EDT
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Tangentially related, if you are building the pistol yourself, do you just fill out the form as the buyer and seller still?
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Posted: 7/30/2024 10:15:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RedFox1911:
Tangentially related, if you are building the pistol yourself, do you just fill out the form as the buyer and seller still? |
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Posted: 7/30/2024 11:43:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Synchronized: That's what I did. In the Seller line I put my name and (assembled from parts) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Synchronized: Originally Posted By RedFox1911: Tangentially related, if you are building the pistol yourself, do you just fill out the form as the buyer and seller still? That's what I did. In the Seller line I put my name and (assembled from parts) Did you get any feedback from the county sheriff or MSP doing it that way? |
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Posted: 8/2/2024 8:55:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevenH: Did you get any feedback from the county sheriff or MSP doing it that way? I went to my Sheriff Dept (Saginaw County). They told me they agree the law is murky about assembled pistols. They also agreed that I was handling it in the best way to their knowledge. Take with a grain of salt of course because we shouldn't ask the police for legal advice /shrug |
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