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It was announced this evening during the hearing that lowers will not be subject to SB25-003 licensing program. That is massive! |
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My understanding of the bill was that it prohibited the "assembly" of most semi-auto firearms. So given a pre-owned lower, it would be easy to argue it was acquired pre bill so already (possibly) assembled and so no problem. But if you buy a lower after the date and then assemble it to a forbidden form the gov could try to screw you by arguing that you assembled one and broke the law. Maybe I'm wrong, but this seems just enough freedom to allow a nut job who plans to shoot up a school to aquire an AR (albeit technically unlawfully). But not enough freedom to allow a law abiding type to not risk prosecution for carrying the same AR around. You buy a lower, then get caught with it incorrectly assembled, and face a court case. Nut job buys an AR, assembles it to a forbidden form, breaks dozen other laws, and bingo we need more gun control. Or maybe I just a pessimist 
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Taken from another thread was able to find it, unfortunately, it seems rather ambiguous. The DOR spokesman said "they (lower receivers) fall under the definition of a firearm, but they are not a specific model, and the statute refers to models, so as far as the guidance document that we are going to be presenting, lower and upper receivers will not be on that document". Here's the problem, the context here seems to indicate that he's talking about the list of SSFs that section 7 of SB-25-003 required the DOR to publish, but that document is just *guidance* for the public, it's not law in itself. From my reading, it seems that even if a firearm isn't included in the DOR's guidance document's list of specific models, it can still be an SSF if it meets the definition in 18-12-116(c). As for whether that includes a lower receiver itself with no upper, that's a different question. Worth mentioning that the bill does create an exception for .22 caliber semi-automatic rifles, with that exception specifically not including firearms with separate upper/lower receivers, which courts may interpret as showing legislative intent to avoid loopholes built around upper/lower receivers. We'll probably just have to wait for the case law to come out before we can be sure. |
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Originally Posted By WesJanson: FWIW, CPW claims that last week they received word from the AG's office that 003 will include lowers. And uppers. And LPKs. They gonna have someone stationed at every gun shop out of state checking IDs before people can buy those items?
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Originally Posted By WesJanson: FWIW, CPW claims that last week they received word from the AG's office that 003 will include lowers. And uppers. And LPKs. |
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Originally Posted By saigamanTX: They cant restrict uppers or lower parts kits for that matter. They are unrestricted. Yeah good luck with that shit. Originally Posted By saigamanTX: Originally Posted By WesJanson: FWIW, CPW claims that last week they received word from the AG's office that 003 will include lowers. And uppers. And LPKs. They can't, but they're damn well going to try. Go read it: https://sbg.colorado.gov/sites/sbg/files/documents/Specified%20Semiautomatic%20Firearms_Working%20Document_DRAFT_05.15.2026.pdf Under the plain language in sections 18-12-101(1)(j), (m), and (l) and 18-12-116(1)(d), C.R.S., frames or receivers for Specified Semiautomatic Firearms and weapons parts kits for Specified Semiautomatic Firearms are within the definition of Specified Semiautomatic Firearms and therefore subject to the requirements in section 18-12-116, C.R.S. Pursuant to section 18-12- What defines a "weapons parts kit"? A BCG? A lower completion kit? Who the fuck knows. |
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Originally Posted By WesJanson: They can't, but they're damn well going to try. Go read it: https://sbg.colorado.gov/sites/sbg/files/documents/Specified%20Semiautomatic%20Firearms_Working%20Document_DRAFT_05.15.2026.pdf What defines a "weapons parts kit"? A BCG? A lower completion kit? Who the fuck knows. Yup, they are going balls deep on this |
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Originally Posted By WesJanson: They can't, but they're damn well going to try. Go read it: https://sbg.colorado.gov/sites/sbg/files/documents/Specified%20Semiautomatic%20Firearms_Working%20Document_DRAFT_05.15.2026.pdf What defines a "weapons parts kit"? A BCG? A lower completion kit? Who the fuck knows. They are going after readily buildable. In other words AR related |
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Originally Posted By saigamanTX: So I got clarification. I'm not posting it here because this place has been infiltrated but ill share with what I've learned. They are going after readily buildable. In other words AR related Originally Posted By saigamanTX: Originally Posted By WesJanson: They can't, but they're damn well going to try. Go read it: https://sbg.colorado.gov/sites/sbg/files/documents/Specified%20Semiautomatic%20Firearms_Working%20Document_DRAFT_05.15.2026.pdf What defines a "weapons parts kit"? A BCG? A lower completion kit? Who the fuck knows. They are going after readily buildable. In other words AR related The words I heard were any lower, period, uppers, and kits. The definition of "parts kit" was left completely unspecified. Make of that what you will. |
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Originally Posted By WesJanson: The words I heard were any lower, period, uppers, and kits. The definition of "parts kit" was left completely unspecified. Make of that what you will. They don't define "parts kits" or provide any details. It's a vague term that can mean whatever they want it to mean. The actual law doesn't address parts or parts kits at all. The fact that "parts kits" appear on the DOR guidance as restricted items indicates they're already overreaching beyond what's in the law. |
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Originally Posted By Kalmah: They don't define "parts kits" or provide any details. It's a vague term that can mean whatever they want it to mean. The actual law doesn't address parts or parts kits at all. The fact that "parts kits" appear on the DOR guidance as restricted items indicates they're already overreaching beyond what's in the law. It's all fine and good to discuss what the law says, what CPW says, differences in meaning, definitions, technicalities, misinterpretations, etc.. At the end of the day when you walk into a gun store to buy a specific part and they don't stock it because of SB25-003, it really doesn't matter. Will firing pins, bolts, recoil springs, extractors, etc be on the shelves? Will lowers be for sale? Will product actually exist to purchase? It doesnt matter what technicalities there are, gun stores don't generally have the capital to fund numerous lawsuits against Colorado to fight the wording of laws. Gun stores will have to comply 100% with whatever they're told or risk their business license, FFL, and heavy fines from Colorado's state government. Sure you can travel out of state to buy certain things, making it an extra few hours of travel time. This will cause people to buy less though, put off major purchases due to inconvenience, and still eliminate new pistol and NFA platforms from their ability to purchase. |
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So we really think places (PSA) will ship us lowers? I was unaware of the allegation that lowers were still going to be okay so I’ve been eyeing some to buy this week |
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The easy answer is to buy now, then you know your good. I would not put much faith in PSA shipping anything post ban. They were glaringly silent on the thread about demanding ID in store, then refusing mag purchases for the guy with a maryland ID. Even though such purchases were legal. Also, I'm not sure about actual gun stores, but the big box stores by me seem to be clearing out anything that may be impacted by the bill. No lowers, few ARs and no where near the normal stock of other semiautos. It could be they are just sold out, but as the gun dept looked dead I think if you don't own it by Aug 1st you won't. |
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Originally Posted By Bigtwinlvr: So what happens if we are out of state and see something we like? Law usually states that out of state FFLs need to follow the residents state laws for long guns, so a CA resident could not buy a normal AR out of state. As we are not technically getting banned, just need a gov permission slip, if you have one you might be OK. Not sure if the law is weirdly written, so the transfer would be OK without it. But i'd bet most FFLs will just refuse the sale, as they don't want the aggravation. I think technically companies can ship whatever they want to a CO FFL and its then their job to ensure the recipient has the right paperwork. But again I'd bet most companies just don't want to deal with small state BS, and returns. Unless I'm mistaken, i don't think you can buy non-long guns (handguns, stripped receivers, other) out of state. Someone can correct me if i'm wrong. How any of this actually works will probably take years to sort out. I won't be getting a government permission slip any time soon, as it efects new purchases and I got what I needed before the queens tax came into effect. Buying now is the safest bet, I don't think anyone is stopping this any time soon. (Not a legal expert, just trying to be realistic) Edit for afterthought. The bill should not hinder the sale of indervidual parts, its not like Washington(?) States parts ban. So I'm assuming I will be able to buy spare parts for my existing scary guns. I plan to stock up on these before the next turd hits. But FFL transferred items require a lot more legal scrutiny, and detailed records kept, and have capricious ATF oversight. |
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Originally Posted By Wammel: Law usually states that out of state FFLs need to follow the residents state laws for long guns, so a CA resident could not buy a normal AR out of state. As we are not technically getting banned, just need a gov permission slip, if you have one you might be OK. Not sure if the law is weirdly written, so the transfer would be OK without it. But i'd bet most FFLs will just refuse the sale, as they don't want the aggravation. I think technically companies can ship whatever they want to a CO FFL and its then their job to ensure the recipient has the right paperwork. But again I'd bet most companies just don't want to deal with small state BS, and returns. Unless I'm mistaken, i don't think you can buy non-long guns (handguns, stripped receivers, other) out of state. Someone can correct me if i'm wrong. How any of this actually works will probably take years to sort out. I won't be getting a government permission slip any time soon, as it efects new purchases and I got what I needed before the queens tax came into effect. Buying now is the safest bet, I don't think anyone is stopping this any time soon. (Not a legal expert, just trying to be realistic) Edit for afterthought. The bill should not hinder the sale of indervidual parts, its not like Washington(?) States parts ban. So I'm assuming I will be able to buy spare parts for my existing scary guns. I plan to stock up on these before the next turd hits. But FFL transferred items require a lot more legal scrutiny, and detailed records kept, and have capricious ATF oversight. I expect worse bills and amendments to SB25-003 to be proposed next year, once a more gun control friendly governor is installed. I hope you all used this time to expand your collection. I tripled mine. |
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| Chances are now quite strong this is a temporary setback. After the ruling against NJ's bans (mags and "aw"s) rumint is they intend to appeal to SCOTUS, which is fairly friendly these days. Either the NJ appeal to SCOTUS will shoot down similar bans across the country, or worst case the CoA ruling can be used as extremely recent precedent in the lawsuits dropping 2 august. |
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Originally Posted By BeaterHonda: More and more dealers putting up banners on their sites about lowers not shipping to CO I have a couple spare completed LMT MARS-L lowers if anyone in the Front Range still needs one. I decided to get a couple G$, a PWS, a BCM and a KAC SR-15 to play with, so those are redundant and could use a new home. Would have to transfer thru an FFL this weekend, preferably one I'm already going to for BGC on the above (DCF Guns - Castlerock, LT Arms - Ken Caryl). |
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Originally Posted By PointBlank82: I have a couple spare completed LMT MARS-L lowers if anyone in the Front Range still needs one. I decided to get a couple G$, a PWS, a BCM and a KAC SR-15 to play with, so those are redundant and could use a new home. Would have to transfer thru an FFL this weekend, preferably one I'm already going to for BGC on the above (DCF Guns - Castlerock, LT Arms - Ken Caryl). Originally Posted By PointBlank82: Originally Posted By BeaterHonda: More and more dealers putting up banners on their sites about lowers not shipping to CO I have a couple spare completed LMT MARS-L lowers if anyone in the Front Range still needs one. I decided to get a couple G$, a PWS, a BCM and a KAC SR-15 to play with, so those are redundant and could use a new home. Would have to transfer thru an FFL this weekend, preferably one I'm already going to for BGC on the above (DCF Guns - Castlerock, LT Arms - Ken Caryl). You're a great American. People in need here will certainly accept your offer and provide good homes. 
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Picked up a lower this weekend and the guy in front of me at Triple J was picking up a Sig SBR of some sort. He told me the staff at TJ told him that the NFA guns like SBRs won't be subject to SB3, and he could have elected to get it after the law goes into effect. That sounded like bullshit. What say you guys? |
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Originally Posted By uncle_big_green: You're a great American. People in need here will certainly accept your offer and provide good homes. Originally Posted By uncle_big_green: Originally Posted By PointBlank82: Originally Posted By BeaterHonda: More and more dealers putting up banners on their sites about lowers not shipping to CO I have a couple spare completed LMT MARS-L lowers if anyone in the Front Range still needs one. I decided to get a couple G$, a PWS, a BCM and a KAC SR-15 to play with, so those are redundant and could use a new home. Would have to transfer thru an FFL this weekend, preferably one I'm already going to for BGC on the above (DCF Guns - Castlerock, LT Arms - Ken Caryl). You're a great American. People in need here will certainly accept your offer and provide good homes. Nobody has taken me up on this. I'll do $600 cash/venmo/ppff tomorrow if anyone still needs one. LT Arms, tomorrow morning. Also have a CMMG MK10 stripped lower for $400. |
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Originally Posted By MTNShewter: Picked up a lower this weekend and the guy in front of me at Triple J was picking up a Sig SBR of some sort. He told me the staff at TJ told him that the NFA guns like SBRs won't be subject to SB3, and he could have elected to get it after the law goes into effect. That sounded like bullshit. What say you guys? I heard the same thing from them a couple weeks back. Another gun shop told me they plan to still sell lowers until the specific one is on the list. They just won't sell the parts to finish it out same week or something. |
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Originally Posted By MTNShewter: Picked up a lower this weekend and the guy in front of me at Triple J was picking up a Sig SBR of some sort. He told me the staff at TJ told him that the NFA guns like SBRs won't be subject to SB3, and he could have elected to get it after the law goes into effect. That sounded like bullshit. What say you guys? I got a email saying it affected semi-auto with detachable mags, implying tube fed semi-auto shotguns will be fine. I guarantee there will be months (probably years) of this cluster getting applied differently from store to store. I'm working of the maxim, 'if you don't already own it, you probably won't'. I've crated up most of my collection for my son's, thats some respectable firepower for a kindergartener. |
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Originally Posted By Wammel: I got a email saying it affected semi-auto with detachable mags, implying tube fed semi-auto shotguns will be fine. I guarantee there will be months (probably years) of this cluster getting applied differently from store to store. I'm working of the maxim, 'if you don't already own it, you probably won't'. I've crated up most of my collection for my son's, thats some respectable firepower for a kindergartener. Originally Posted By Wammel: Originally Posted By MTNShewter: Picked up a lower this weekend and the guy in front of me at Triple J was picking up a Sig SBR of some sort. He told me the staff at TJ told him that the NFA guns like SBRs won't be subject to SB3, and he could have elected to get it after the law goes into effect. That sounded like bullshit. What say you guys? I got a email saying it affected semi-auto with detachable mags, implying tube fed semi-auto shotguns will be fine. I guarantee there will be months (probably years) of this cluster getting applied differently from store to store. I'm working of the maxim, 'if you don't already own it, you probably won't'. I've crated up most of my collection for my son's, thats some respectable firepower for a kindergartener. I'm with you man. I got 4 and 1 year old boys and bought a full set of everything they might need starting out that will be affected, assuming that over the span of their childhoods future opportunities to purchase will diminish locally and then nationally. Each gets a: Integrally suppressed TD 10/22 Backpacker Suppressed M&P 15-22 pistol 2A Armament Balios Lite And choice of either SCAR 17 or POF Revolution. I'll figure out the handguns next year. I plan to train them how to shoot on the 10/22s, then M&P, then 2A ARs and eventually they get the small frame POFs when they're strong enough. And no, I'm not looking to adopt anyone.
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Originally Posted By PointBlank82: I heard the same thing from them a couple weeks back. Another gun shop told me they plan to still sell lowers until the specific one is on the list. They just won't sell the parts to finish it out same week or something. Post the shop or PM me? Just left my FFL and they said “we were verbally told no lowers at all” and I’ve got my eyes on a clone lower that just came back in stock |
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Originally Posted By BeaterHonda: Still looking for shops to transfer lowers Bueller? |
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Originally Posted By saigamanTX: Yeah they are. Originally Posted By saigamanTX: Originally Posted By RouxGaRoux: Any updates on lowers being on the program? Okay, humor me Who exactly is saying this? No one is willing to be the first to cross the state? |
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Originally Posted By disimpactor: Why would you think there's an FFL holder out there that would be willing to sacrifice their license to transfer a lower to you without the card? May your chains rest easy |
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Originally Posted By BeaterHonda: May your chains rest easy You're welcome to get your own FFL and do it to be the test case if you're that hard up for it. Most people aren't about to risk their livelihood and their employees' livelihoods on your own personal whim there champ. |
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Originally Posted By Tamarit_167: You're welcome to get your own FFL and do it to be the test case if you're that hard up for it. Most people aren't about to risk their livelihood and their employees' livelihoods on your own personal whim there champ. Sure But I’m ready to be the co-defendant here The bill passed with specific makes and models. Claiming “lOwErS” is a huge overstep. Seems cut and dried Guess not to a liberal retard court system though |
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Originally Posted By BeaterHonda: Sure But I’m ready to be the co-defendant here The bill passed with specific makes and models. Claiming “lOwErS” is a huge overstep. Seems cut and dried Guess not to a liberal retard court system though While factually true that it "passed with specific makes and models" i suspect you didn't read the entire bill, because it also lays out "gas-operated, detachable magazine, semi-automatic" as a catch-all for the stuff they missed while they were busy using screenshots from call of duty when they couldn't find photos. Which is why the FFLs you've spoken to are weirdly unenthused about risking their businesses to transfer a lower to someone acting like a spoiled brat about it all. /shrug if you're all about breaking the law because it's a bad law, why not just drive out of state, use cash to buy a boatload of 80s and a jig, and bring them back here and mill them out? you'd get to try your hand at creating case law, and you wouldn't be demanding someone else put their own ass on the line just for you. win/win. |