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Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File https://www.foxnews.com/us/gun-owners-america-fights-florida-ban-carrying-firearms-openly-blatant-infringement FIRST ON FOX: Gun rights activists are taking up the fight to strike down Florida's ban on openly carrying firearms after the Republican-controlled legislature rejected an repeal effort. Gun Owners of America (GOA) is filing a lawsuit in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida that seeks to have the 1893 gun restriction declared unconstitutional and a court order to block enforcement of the law. The challenged statute makes it "unlawful for any person to openly carry on or about his or her person any firearm or electric weapon or device." "Despite its reputation as a largely gun-friendly state, Florida inexplicably continues to prohibit the peaceable carrying of firearms in an open and unconcealed manner," the complaint obtained by Fox News Digital states. "This blatant infringement of the Second Amendment right to ‘bear arms’ runs counter to this nation’s historical tradition and would have criminalized the very colonists who openly carried their muskets and mustered on the greens at Lexington and Concord to fight for their independence." The arguments advanced by Gun Owners of America assert Florida's open carry ban is outside the history and tradition of firearms regulation in the U.S. – a direct appeal to the Supreme Court's landmark decision in New York State Rifle & Pistol Association, Inc. v. Bruen (2022). The high court held that the ability to carry firearms in public is a constitutional right and that any restrictions must fit within the nation's "historical tradition of firearm regulation." Gun Owners of America points out the Florida open carry ban was adopted decades after Reconstruction and more than a century after the Second Amendment was ratified. "To make matters worse, that 1893 carry ban openly targeted only a disfavored subset of the population – newly freed Blacks – while Whites enjoyed de facto immunity from enforcement," the complaint asserts. Plaintiffs also say Florida is both a historical outlier and presently one of only a few states that entirely bans the open carry of firearms. The others are blue states California, Illinois and New York, along with the District of Columbia. "In contrast, the vast majority of states permit the open carry of all manner of firearms (both handguns and long guns), by any law-abiding adult and without any sort of permit at all," the complaint states. "Plaintiffs seek preliminary followed by permanent injunctive relief, as well as declaratory and other relief, to rectify Florida’s infringement of an enumerated right that ‘shall not be infringed.’" The lawsuit comes after Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis signed a GOP-backed bill last year that eliminated a requirement for state residents to obtain a permit to carry concealed firearms. The law allows eligible citizens 21 years of age and up to carry without asking the government for a permit and without paying a fee. The legislation did not change who is eligible to obtain a carry permit, and those who still wish to get a permit may do so under the law. A DeSantis administration official told Fox News Digital the governor supported efforts to include repealing the open carry ban in that legislation, but state lawmakers would not come around. Senate President Kathleen Passidomo, a Republican from Naples, said at the time she does not support open carry because the Florida Sheriffs Association (FSA) and other law enforcement groups opposed the effort, according to the Florida Phoenix. Florida Democrats and anti-gun activists were also against the constitutional carry law, warning that easing access to concealed carry would lead to more violence. Anti-gun group Everytown for Gun Safety calls open carry a "dangerous policy" that is supported by hate groups and claims it is "exploited by White supremacists and opposed by law enforcement and the public." Though Second Amendment supporters backed the Florida constitutional carry law, some, like GOA, said it did not go far enough because the reform doesn't apply to open carry. "Florida lawmakers claim to be pro-gun, but year after year, they’ve refused to repeal the 1987 ban on open carry, leaving Floridians in the very anti-gun company of New York, Illinois, and California where this is also prohibited," said Erich Pratt, GOA's senior vice president. "GOA has been left with no choice but to sue the state, especially since GOA’s open carry bill was blocked by Republican legislative leadership during the 2024 session's first week. "This ban has no historical basis and will surely be found unconstitutional under the Bruen precedent. We look forward to making our case and fighting for law-abiding Floridians." St. Lucie County Sheriff Keith Pearson, State Attorney Thomas Bakkedahl and the State Attorney's Office for the 19th Judicial Circuit of Florida are named as defendants in the complaint. Fox News Digital's Emma Colton contributed to this report. Chris Pandolfo is a writer for Fox News Digital. Send tips to [email protected] and follow him on Twitter @ChrisCPandolfo. |
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Thank you Luis !
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Thanks Luis. Care if I repost in GD?
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I just got done reading this in GD and want to thank you, Luis.
It's a long time coming, and I'm hoping it happens this time. I'm definitely voting against Scott the scumbag. |
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The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - They deserve a place of honor with all that is good.
George Washington **Parler Name, @Progun1911** |
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Originally Posted By Progun1911: I just got done reading this in GD and want to thank you, Luis. It's a long time coming, and I'm hoping it happens this time. I'm definitely voting against Scott the scumbag. View Quote What kind of info do we have on the 2 alternates? John Columbus and Keith Gross? |
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Originally Posted By HiFlow: What kind of info do we have on the 2 alternates? John Columbus and Keith Gross? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By HiFlow: Originally Posted By Progun1911: I just got done reading this in GD and want to thank you, Luis. It's a long time coming, and I'm hoping it happens this time. I'm definitely voting against Scott the scumbag. What kind of info do we have on the 2 alternates? John Columbus and Keith Gross? Columbus seems to be a pot head and Gross seems to have trouble with campaign finance laws. I reckon I prefer the money launderer over the dope smoker. ETA: I just went to Columbus’ campaign site and holy shit, it reads like it was written by a leftist. I was only half kidding about being a pot head but he had to be high af when he registered as a republican. Wants to expand social security Pro choice Regurgitating book banning narrative No clue about what causes inflation Wants a law capping annual rent increases. Every problem he lists, he proposes expansion of government to solve. |
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Originally Posted By MK3110: Columbus seems to be a pot head and Gross seems to have trouble with campaign finance laws. I reckon I prefer the money launderer over the dope smoker. ETA: I just went to Columbus’ campaign site and holy shit, it reads like it was written by a leftist. I was only half kidding about being a pot head but he had to be high af when he registered as a republican. Wants to expand social security Pro choice Regurgitating book banning narrative No clue about what causes inflation Wants a law capping rent annual rent increases. Every problem he lists, he proposes expansion of government to solve. View Quote I got the same vibe. I dont know squat about nor heard of either. Holy smokes. Also zero mention of 2A so far from what Ive read. From His Bio below.... Totally not a leftie. We sure this aint some psi-op to get a leftie elected? I spent the first 18 years of my life raised in a conservative, God fearing household in Orlando, FL. When I graduated from Dr. Phillips High School in 2002, I was decorated as Prom King & Senior Class President. In autumn of 2002, I began my collegiate career attending New York University where I obtained a Bachelor in Fine Arts from Tisch School of the Arts, graduating in 2006. “I ran for Senior Class President to give glory to God” — John S. Columbus I became a member of the Actors Equity Association while working at the Paper Mill Playhouse, and by 2007 I was touring North America in the first national tour of Monty Python’s Spamalot. When the Broadway tour ended in 2009, I stayed in Los Angeles to continue my professional acting career. I worked at the Pasadena Playhouse, did a few commercials, one pilot, and made an appearance on Comedy Central before moving back home to Orlando in 2012. In 2013 began working full time at Walt Disney World as a performer in the comedy troupe “The World Showcase Players” in the United Kingdom Pavilion at EPCOT. While working in the entertainment community around Orlando, I was afforded an opportunity to set sail with Disney Cruise Line in 2015. |
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Breaking! FlyingRich and GOA Sue Florida Over Open Carry! |
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Gun rights groups go to federal court to overturn Florida law banning open carry of firearms
Although Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis has voiced support allowing for the open carrying of firearms in Florida, he hasn’t done much to persuade the GOP-led Legislature to actually pass such legislation. Now two Second Amendment groups say they’re tired of waiting for the state to act and have filed a lawsuit in federal court challenging Florida’s ban on open carry. The Gun Owners of America (GOA), Gun Owners Foundation, and Palm Beach County resident Richard Hughes filed a 40-page lawsuit in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida on Tuesday, alleging that the ban on open carry of firearms violates the Second and Fourteenth amendments to the U.S. Constitution. During the 2023 legislative session, the Florida GOP-controlled Legislature passed a law allowing residents to legally carry concealed weapons without having to obtain a permit through the state, a measure known by supporters as “constitutional carry” and by everyone else as permitless carry. But several prominent gun rights advocates were outspoken during the legislative committee process last year that the state wasn’t going far enough, and that it needed pass an “open carry” provision as well. Although the state has a national reputation as one of the strongest advocates for Second Amendment rights, only three other states — California, Illinois, and New York, along with the District of Columbia — ban the open carry of firearms. During the 2024 legislative session held earlier this year, Hillsborough County Republican Mike Beltran filed legislation to allow open carry, as well as allowing lawmakers to carry concealed guns to legislative meetings and in the state Capitol building. But neither House Speaker Paul Renner or Senate President Kathleen Passidomo showed any enthusiasm for the bill, and it died without a committee hearing. DeSantis, who was on the campaign trail in Iowa in the months leading up to the session, never pushed those leaders to schedule the bill. “You have a Republican House Speaker state that he and his Republican colleagues don’t have an ‘appetite’ to debate and vote on open carry. You have a Republican Senate President state that repealing the under-21 purchase ban is a ‘non-starter.’ Yet both have the nerve to campaign that they’re pro-gun,” said Luis Valdes, Florida state director of Gun Owners of America, in February. “Florida lawmakers claim to be pro-gun, but year after year, they’ve refused to repeal the 1987 ban on open carry, leaving Floridians in the very anti-gun company of New York, Illinois, and California, where this is also prohibited,” said Erich Pratt, GOA’s senior vice president, in a written statement announcing the filing of the lawsuit. “GOA has been left with no choice but to sue the state, especially since GOA’s open carry bill was blocked by the Republican legislative leadership during the 2024 session’s first week. The ban has no historical basis and will surely be found unconstitutional under the Bruen precedent. We look forward to making our case and fighting for law-abiding Floridians.” |
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Your a good man Luis
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"It's easier to avoid conflict than it is to survive it" - SGB
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GOA for the win.
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Gun-rights advocates say they’ll push for ‘open carry’ again in ’25 FL legislative session - Florida Pheonix - Aug 7, 2024 While Republican leaders in the Legislature supported a permitless carry law last year that allows people to carry concealed weapons without a government-issued license, House Speaker Paul Renner and especially Senate President Kathleen Passidomo resisted loosening other gun regulations in the Sunshine State during their two-year reign in power.
One such proposal is known as “open carry” — the wearing or carrying of a firearm in a clearly visible manner. Florida is one of four states that bans open carrying of guns. Gun-rights advocates, weary of fighting the Legislature for that idea, filed a lawsuit in federal court this week attempting to overturn Florida’s open carry ban, but those same advocates also say that they’re reaching out to members of the House and Senate about getting a bill filed for the 2025 legislative session that would do the same thing. “We’re already talking to lawmakers to introduce legislation next session,” said Luis Valdes, Florida state chair of Gun Owners of America. “We never give up the fight.” The effort comes with renewed optimism with new leadership taking over the Florida Legislature later this year: Miami-Dade’s Daniel Perez in the House and Central Florida Republican Ben Albritton in the Senate. “We’ve been having conversations with the new incoming Senate president and, while he’s not made any commitments, I think he’s going to be much more open to at least allowing pro-Second Amendment legislation to be heard,” said Bob White, chair of the Republican Liberty Caucus. “And of course last session and the session before, President Passidomo just had an almost outright ban on Second Amendment bills even being heard, much less passed. So I’m optimistic that we might see some progress next year.” Senate reluctance Passidomo’s resistance was reflected in the fate of proposals that attempted to chip away at the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School Public Safety Act, passed just weeks after the tragic shootings in Parkland that killed 17 people in February 2018. In both 2023 and 2024 sessions, the Florida House passed bills that would have lowered the age for Floridians to buy a long gun from a federally licensed dealer from 21 to 18. On both occasions, not only did the Senate not follow suit, but no members even filed a companion bill. Similarly, a measure that would have repealed a part of the 2018 legislation requiring that there either be a mandatory three-day waiting period to purchase a firearm from a licensed dealer or a forced wait for a completed background check was also passed in the House, but never received a committee vote in the Senate earlier this year. The permitless carry bill was part of the wish list that Gov. Ron DeSantis supported during the 2023 session, which saw major reforms passed by the Legislature in other areas in the months leading to the governor’s presidential run. But not open carry, much to the consternation of the gun-rights groups. In the middle of that session, then-Hillsborough County Republican House member Mike Beltran filed an open carry amendment but immediate pushback from GOP leaders forced him to withdraw his bill the next day. “I had the [GOP] leadership and my caucus and the NRA who were all against the open carry amendment. They were all against it,” Beltran recounted. “In fairness, they thought the [permitless concealed carry] bill was going to the Senate and then Passidomo wasn’t going to hear it, and it was going to upset this very delicate deal that they made” for the Senate to pass permitless carry — a deal, he added, that neither he nor other House members were consulted about. Speaker Renner told him he should withdraw the bill and then run it during the 2024 session, Beltran said. Which is what Beltran did but, he said, again there was no support from House leadership. “He didn’t return my call. And so obviously the bill didn’t go through.” Missing in this discussion is where exactly Gov. DeSantis was in all of this back and forth. The governor was captured in an audio recording telling Valdes in March 2023 that while he “absolutely” supported open carry, he didn’t think the Legislature would vote for it. “The point is, if DeSantis had said to do it, I think Renner and for that matter Passidomo would have been hard pressed to say no,” said Beltran, who decided earlier this year not to run for re-election to his Hillsborough County House seat. “And he didn’t lean in at that point, and that was when he was at the height of his power. It wasn’t like they were going to draw a big line in the sand at that. He was getting all kinds of things at that point. They certainly could have done it.” Sheriffs’ opposition Historically on this issue, one reason the Legislature has been hesitant to support open carry is because of opposition from the powerful Florida Sheriffs Association. Former St. Johns County Sheriff David Shoar, now running in the Republican state Senate primary election in Senate District 7 in Northeast Florida, said he used to be against open carry but now supports the idea. “I actually used to be firmly against it, and part of that was that back in the day a great deal of law enforcement officers were being killed by their own handguns,” he said. “Now, that changed as our holstering and our training changed. So, I was leery of it for that purpose, but I’m really not now.” “If Republicans want to prove how pro-gun they are, they could pass legislation and moot our case,” Valdes said. “But they haven’t passed open carry over the years, so we’re going to fight it tooth and nail, no matter what.” The Phoenix reached out to incoming House Speaker Perez and incoming Senate President Albritton, but did not receive responses. |
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You go @miami_jbt. That’s why this is an org I donate to that I feel good about.
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Rep. Mike Beltran said something VERY INTERESTING in today's Florida Phoenix article.
Attached File https://floridaphoenix.com/2024/08/07/gun-rights-advocates-say-theyll-push-for-open-carry-again-in-25-fl-legislative-session/ |
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Originally Posted By Miami_JBT: Rep. Mike Beltran said something VERY INTERESTING in today's Florida Phoenix article. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/122381/1000009237_jpg-3288428.JPG https://floridaphoenix.com/2024/08/07/gun-rights-advocates-say-theyll-push-for-open-carry-again-in-25-fl-legislative-session/ View Quote Sad state of affairs. Some folks call me a troll when I state that at least 40% of our state representatives who claim to be R’s are actually D’s who are smart enough to know they won’t get elected if they were honest with their constituents. |
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10/22/14 I stand with Canada
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UNBELIEVABLE! Florida Sued By GOA Over Open Carry Ban While NRA Fought To Keep It! |
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Florida Republicans Messed Up BIG TIME |
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Originally Posted By Miami_JBT: Rep. Mike Beltran said something VERY INTERESTING in today's Florida Phoenix article. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/122381/1000009237_jpg-3288428.JPG https://floridaphoenix.com/2024/08/07/gun-rights-advocates-say-theyll-push-for-open-carry-again-in-25-fl-legislative-session/ View Quote The NRA shouldn’t be surprising considering they manipulated, confused, and coerced the well meaning but firearm naive 45th POTUS into a bumpstock ban… |
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Florida's Open Carry Ban & The Fight To Overturn It |
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I toss GOA a few bucks regularly, have to remember a little something extra next payday… |
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The nice part about being a pessimist is that you are constantly being either proven right or pleasantly surprised.
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Thank you Miami.
I signed up for a lifetime membership in GOA. |
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GOA Sues Florida! GOALS 2024 |
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Under-21 firearms, carry, and drinking prohibitions are unconstitutional as fuck.
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Originally Posted By Pallas: Under-21 firearms, carry, and drinking prohibitions are unconstitutional as fuck. View Quote Yup, we can argue about 16, 18, 21 or whatever age, but if you can sign a contract, get married, fight a war and otherwise handle your business at a certain age, you damn sure can buy a gun or a beer at that same age. |
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10/22/14 I stand with Canada
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Your RIGHT to OPEN CARRY ???? GOA vs Florida |
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Open Carry Ban Challenged + Should I Open Carry |
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Florida Man Fights for the 2A |
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[instagram]https://www.instagram.com/tv/C_D1lX-OdzO/[/instagram]
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JCL W/ Louis Valdez |
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And now in Español.
PRONTO OPEN CARRY EN FLORIDA? MUCHO OJO A ESTA DEMANDA |
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Tendra Florida open carry? |
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New Florida "Open Carry Ban" Lawsuit filed by G_n Owners of America ???????? |
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Florida’s Open Carry Ban Under Fire Gun Groups Challenge in Court |
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https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2024/09/06/open-campus-carry-of-guns-is-back-in-florida-2025-legislative-session/75072304007/ A Labor Day weekend glass bottle attack of two Pennsylvania students wearing yarmulkes has prompted Rep. Randy Fine, R-Brevard, to renew his pledge to file legislation to repeal Florida's "gun-free zone" for state college and university campuses. Fine's pledge comes in the wake of gun activists filing a federal lawsuit in South Florida to have Florida's open-carry ban declared unconstitutional, and after Gov. Ron DeSantis and the Republican Legislature earlier this year eliminated a requirement for a concealed weapon permit to carry firearms in public. Gun Owners of America, which filed the lawsuit, said this year's changes in Florida gun regulations did not go far enough and criticized DeSantis for not pushing for further expansion of Second Amendment rights. Florida joins 18 states in prohibiting firearms on college campuses.
DeSantis quietly signed the permitless carry bill last year, and the 2024 legislative session was the first since 2016 a campus carry proposal did not get a committee hearing. DeSantis has told groups like Gun Owners of America he would support open-carry legislation, which would include campus carry, but gun rights advocates have been disappointed he has not pushed the issue with more force. Last session, Senate President Kathleen Passidomo held the line on open-carry after talking to the Florida Sheriff's Association. "The sheriffs who I deeply respect, who are in the business, who understand the issues, do not support open carry in the state of Florida," Passidomo said. A question on whether Senate President designate Ben Albritton would take a similar tact is pending with his office. Florida is among 18 states that prohibit firearms on college campuses. "Even though Florida claims to be the freest state in the nation it prosecutes Floridians who want to openly carry firearms," said Valdes of Gun Owners of America. The group endorses the campus carry bill Fine is writing. "It's appalling that the states that border Florida have campus carry but Florida does not," Valdes said. |
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Post above sounds very promising!
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when is the deadline for the county to respond?
If the deadline is after the election will the state attorney join in? |
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Is The End Near For Florida's Open Carry Ban? Signs Are Good! |
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UPDATE: GOA Sued Florida |
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View Quote How long do the other defendants have to appeal the default judgment? |
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Originally Posted By MK3110: How long do the other defendants have to appeal the default judgment? View Quote |
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