NFA in NC. (Page 5 of 5)
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Originally Posted By Gerkyn:
1. Does the ATF charge for an F3? I probably wouldn't be willing to trust an individual with this type of purchase as much as I would a reputable dealer, even if I end up paying more at a dealer. 2. The machine gun permit thing was throwing me off as I had never heard of such a thing. But my research on actually getting a MG is just getting warmed up. 3. So is "all lawful purposes" still a valid reason for a MG on the F4? 1. No, F3 transfers are tax free 2. If you start researching, you'll see an email exchange from Jan 2013 involving Dana Pickles at the ATF. It was an NC issue, not a federal issue. There used to me a statute you had to quote as the transfer reason (I believe for any NFA item) in NC. It was really odd, especially for anybody with NFA experience from another state. 3. I think so, but not sure. Even though I have 3 dozen or so stamps, I haven't dipped my toes into the FA end of the NFA pool. I'd recommend giving Scott at THSF a call. He owns quite a few and has transferred several for his customers. I'm sure he could walk you through it. |
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With the recent ruling on Heller/McDonald extending to all arms in the Caetano and progress that Nolo is trying to make for Trusts to manufacture Form 1 MG's...I've started to look into exactly what it takes to own a MG in NC. I'm really perplexed by the MG permit thing as you can't find much of anything on the web about it other than that you're supposed to get one from you local sheriff's office before you can transfer one into your possession.
If anyone can post some more info on MG permits and if it only applies to transfers vs a legal Form 1 manufacturing if that becomes an option, I'd appreciate it. Thanks Wes |
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Originally Posted By BigWaylon:
You can't find much because they're not required anymore. I think it was HB650 in 2011, which the ATF finally recognized in 2013. As long as you don't put the old "scientific research" reason, you won't need one Took some digging but here it is: 
Would be great if a few others rehosted that. Wes |
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Originally Posted By Wangstang: Took some digging but here it is: http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i442/jefflaw45/NEW-ATF_zpsb71aa3bf.jpg Would be great if a few others rehosted that. Wes Originally Posted By Wangstang: Originally Posted By BigWaylon: You can't find much because they're not required anymore. I think it was HB650 in 2011, which the ATF finally recognized in 2013. As long as you don't put the old "scientific research" reason, you won't need one Took some digging but here it is: http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i442/jefflaw45/NEW-ATF_zpsb71aa3bf.jpg Would be great if a few others rehosted that. Wes Rehosted.  |
| It's not a scan of the letter, but here is the post I find every time I go searching for it...same letter is referenced, but with a little more explanation. |
| I'm sorry if this has been covered earlier but I didn't see it. I've seen some stuff about CLEO signature still being needed for a trust, but some of it is kind of old and some of it is contradictory. Can anyone tell me what exactly the deal is? |
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Originally Posted By 2apatriot:
I'm sorry if this has been covered earlier but I didn't see it. I've seen some stuff about CLEO signature still being needed for a trust, but some of it is kind of old and some of it is contradictory. Can anyone tell me what exactly the deal is? For now, CLEO sig, plus photos and fingerprints, are only required for individual applications. Starting 7/13/16, CLEO certification becomes CLEO notification (you send them a copy of the form, plus a 5320.23 for each responsible person) for all applications...so no "approval" needed. But, prints and photos will also be required for everybody. |
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Originally Posted By Highlande2:
Can you own a m203 in NC? I was thinking about getting one of the recievers and doing the paperwork on it just want to make sure it's legal. Thanks Don't see why not. DDs are lumped in with all the other "weapons of mass death and destruction" here. Just know you can't hunt with it, as they've only added exceptions for SBRs and suppressors so far. 
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Originally Posted By BigWaylon:
Don't see why not. DDs are lumped in with all the other "weapons of mass death and destruction" here. Just know you can't hunt with it, as they've only added exceptions for SBRs and suppressors so far. Originally Posted By BigWaylon:
Originally Posted By Highlande2:
Can you own a m203 in NC? I was thinking about getting one of the recievers and doing the paperwork on it just want to make sure it's legal. Thanks Don't see why not. DDs are lumped in with all the other "weapons of mass death and destruction" here. Just know you can't hunt with it, as they've only added exceptions for SBRs and suppressors so far. Damn it man lol. I was thinking one of those hornets nest adapters would be awesome for squirrel hunting lol. Sweet now to get a receiver.
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Originally Posted By BigWaylon:
For now, CLEO sig, plus photos and fingerprints, are only required for individual applications. Starting 7/13/16, CLEO certification becomes CLEO notification (you send them a copy of the form, plus a 5320.23 for each responsible person) for all applications...so no "approval" needed. But, prints and photos will also be required for everybody. Originally Posted By BigWaylon:
Originally Posted By 2apatriot:
I'm sorry if this has been covered earlier but I didn't see it. I've seen some stuff about CLEO signature still being needed for a trust, but some of it is kind of old and some of it is contradictory. Can anyone tell me what exactly the deal is? For now, CLEO sig, plus photos and fingerprints, are only required for individual applications. Starting 7/13/16, CLEO certification becomes CLEO notification (you send them a copy of the form, plus a 5320.23 for each responsible person) for all applications...so no "approval" needed. But, prints and photos will also be required for everybody. Called NC Silencers today and they said that all that is needed to permanently bring (already stamped F4) suppressors/MG to NC is an ATF 5320, and that it isn't necessary to get county CLEO sign-off or notification anymore because of HB 562... Can anyone confirm this? |
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Originally Posted By SLAPPYROOTZ:
Called NC Silencers today and they said that all that is needed to permanently bring (already stamped F4) suppressors/MG to NC is an ATF 5320, and that it isn't necessary to get county CLEO sign-off or notification anymore because of HB 562... Can anyone confirm this? While I don't trust most things when the sentence starts with "the guys at NCSikencer said...", in this case they're right. (They've also closed up shop a couple months ago, except for transferring items already in process) MGs were the only exception to the rule before, and the rule actually changed in 2011 but the ATF didn't figure it out until Jan 2013. |
| With the possibility of the HPA passing, what are the NC laws pertaining to suppressors? I saw that in Tx the stamp is the affirmative defense, meaning that the law will have to be changed. Does NC have any similar problem? |
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Originally Posted By 2apatriot:
With the possibility of the HPA passing, what are the NC laws pertaining to suppressors? I saw that in Tx the stamp is the affirmative defense, meaning that the law will have to be changed. Does NC have any similar problem? All NFA items are considered "weapons of mass death and destruction" in NC unless properly registered through the NFA process. Part of the HPA includes a section basically stating no local laws can change the federal law: SEC. 4. PREEMPTION OF CERTAIN STATE LAWS IN RELATION TO FIREARM SILENCERS. Section 927 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following: “Notwithstanding the preceding sentence, a law of a State or a political subdivision of a State that, as a condition of lawfully making, transferring, using, possessing, or transporting a firearm silencer in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, imposes a tax on any such conduct, or a marking, recordkeeping or registration requirement with respect to the firearm silencer, shall have no force or effect.”. |
| Did my first Form 1 to SBR my .300 blackout pistol last week, went to see Scott at Tar Heel State Firearms and he took good care of me. Also had my lower engraved while I was there to save me a trip back out there. I can't recommend them enough, super friendly and very responsive to my emails. I can't wait till I can go back to get a suppressor from them in the future. So happy to have someplace local to me where I can go for all my NFA needs. Thanks to BigWaylon for recommending them on here, Scott's wife did mention you while I was there, she had high praise for you. |
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So I just want to be clear on a few things....
Moving from out of state into NC with MG's and SBR's, and suppressors is not big deal anymore. Just need the 5320 correct? Buying MG's, do not need cleo permission anymore correct? If HPA passes, It will not help anyone living in NC, correct? Are there any pro FA private clubs that do subgun matches on the eastern half of the state? |
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Originally Posted By bending_rodriguez:
So I just want to be clear on a few things.... 1. Moving from out of state into NC with MG's and SBR's, and suppressors is not big deal anymore. Just need the 5320 correct? 2. Buying MG's, do not need cleo permission anymore correct? 3. If HPA passes, It will not help anyone living in NC, correct? 4. Are there any pro FA private clubs that do subgun matches on the eastern half of the state? 1. Correct...just the 5320.20 2. Correct 3. Not really any more or less than anywhere else, as far as getting permission goes 4. Can't help you with that one |
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Originally Posted By BigWaylon:
Don't see why not. DDs are lumped in with all the other "weapons of mass death and destruction" here. Just know you can't hunt with it, as they've only added exceptions for SBRs and suppressors so far. As an aside, it's almost disturbing how often you have already posted the answer to a NFA question that I have. If not here, elsewhere in the gun forumverse. If I do end up relocating to NC, we should get together for a NFA fun gun shoot or something. 
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Originally Posted By jekbrown:
As an aside, it's almost disturbing how often you have already posted the answer to a NFA question that I have. If not here, elsewhere in the gun forumverse. If I do end up relocating to NC, we should get together for a NFA fun gun shoot or something. 
Let me know if you head this way. |
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Originally Posted By BigWaylon:
1. Correct...just the 5320.20 2. Correct 3. Not really any more or less than anywhere else, as far as getting permission goes 4. Can't help you with that one |
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Originally Posted By LokiTN:
I was under the impression that 5320.20 is not needed to move suppressors. I'm moving from FL and I've been trying to find a firm answer for awhile now. I did submit a 5320.20 for the can but only really to update the address in the records. |
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Originally Posted By blackofwhite:
Who is a solid FFL/SOT for a suppressor transfer in the Greensboro area? Most everything I do now is through Tar Heel State Firearms in Matthews (just outside of Charlotte). |
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Originally Posted By canters:
Anyone have feedback on current wait time for suppressor approval? |
| This is a little more generalized than NC, but anyway... My brother is stationed in a no NFA state for the time being. He wants to Form 1 an SBR and SBS and set up a trust so he can store the guns with me, a happy surrogate. Since he is in the military, this will continue to be useful for him as he could always be sent overseas or somewhere otherwise not NFA friendly. With that in mind, if I add an item to the trust, can they be stored at different addresses? I know the 5320.20 can be filled out for individual items, but will there be an issue with the ATF if my brother changes the address for his items in the trust but I keep mine? |
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Originally Posted By Wolfpack2013:
This is a little more generalized than NC, but anyway... My brother is stationed in a no NFA state for the time being. He wants to Form 1 an SBR and SBS and set up a trust so he can store the guns with me, a happy surrogate. Since he is in the military, this will continue to be useful for him as he could always be sent overseas or somewhere otherwise not NFA friendly. With that in mind, if I add an item to the trust, can they be stored at different addresses? I know the 5320.20 can be filled out for individual items, but will there be an issue with the ATF if my brother changes the address for his items in the trust but I keep mine? |
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Originally Posted By Wangstang:
Are NFA registered DD allowed in NC? The statutes call all NFA items Weapons of Mass Death and Destruction, and makes them illegal to own. The exception listed is that they're ok if properly registered...which is nothing more than following the F1/F4 procedure. |
| Does anyone know where to get fingerprinting done around the Fayetteville area, other than the Sheriffs Office? They have no available slots open until May, according to their website. I am looking to do another Form 1 but I haven't completed any since 2014-15 so I have been catching up on the new regulations. |
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Originally Posted By Andrewc_c: Does anyone know where to get fingerprinting done around the Fayetteville area, other than the Sheriffs Office? They have no available slots open until May, according to their website. I am looking to do another Form 1 but I haven't completed any since 2014-15 so I have been catching up on the new regulations. https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/Work_In_Progress__new_F1_F4_guide_for_41F_submissions/17-465636/?page=1#i4612894 |
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Originally Posted By grondike: Do them yourself. You can order blank cards from ATF and an inkpad from Amazon. This post from BigWaylon should have all the info you need. https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/Work_In_Progress__new_F1_F4_guide_for_41F_submissions/17-465636/?page=1#i4612894 That is what I plan on doing now. I was hoping to get my Form 1 finished this week before I am gone for the next month but Amazon won't be able to delivery the necessary items in time. I'll just take care of it when I return. |
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Originally Posted By Andrewc_c: That is what I plan on doing now. I was hoping to get my Form 1 finished this week before I am gone for the next month but Amazon won't be able to delivery the necessary items in time. I'll just take care of it when I return. Where are you in NC? I have a stack of blank ones and fingerprint pads here in Charlotte. And might know somebody in other parts of the state as well. ETA: I see Fayetteville mentioned earlier...if nobody here is local and has some, I’m asking on CFF |
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Originally Posted By BigWaylon: @Andrewc_c I found somebody in Durham with some. I’d mail you a few, but odds are they’d never make it in time. Still waiting to see if anybody closer has any. @Andrewc_c Make sure to check your PMs. I found a guy on Bragg that has cards, and is taking them to work with him today. He’s near the Krispy Kreme. |
