Posted: 10/13/2025 12:55:08 PM EDT
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New scam for me. I received a call from an India call center telling me they were going to be doing tornado roof damage inspections tomorrow on my road. (I did have 2 twister go through in May. No damage) I informed him that he was not welcome in non-polite words. If any one shows up and drives past the 2 no trespassing signs I will tell them to leave once. Then call the Sheriff. |
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| Huh. If those storm chaser "roofers" aren't bad enough, India has to go and copy them?? |
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Whenever there's a hail storm, the roof scammers show up to prey on the ignorant. My father was a roofer for 40 years. I began nailing shingles with him on weekends & summers when I was 14. At 18, after high school, I joined the roofers union, where I remained until my back said "no more of this shit" at age 36. In all those years, and all those roofs I worked on, I never - NOT ONE TIME- saw an asphalt material roof damaged by hail... unless it was a roof so old and in such a deteriorated condition that it was long past time for replacement anyway. Not once did we see a roof in good condition before the storm need replacement due to hail. I saw metal roofs get dented by golfball sized hail on only 1 occasion. Hail occurs in summer. In summer when temperatures are warm, asphalt based roofs become very pliable, and hail srikes are absorbed without doing any damage. I'm not saying that there aren't cases of HUGE hailstones doing damage... but I'm talking bigger than baseball sized and long duration storms. Those would be extremely rare occurances. If your car gets destroyed by a hailstorm while parked in your driveway, it might be time to check the roof. You're far more likely to have damage to aluminum or vinyl siding than a shingle roof. |
| I think part of the problem also is ins. adjusters who don't know squat about what they're looking at. Ins. companies end up paying for new roofs that weren't damaged and everyone else's premium goes up to cover the fraud. Got a neighbor that tries to get a new roof every time a little hail drops. So far, the ins. co. has turned down his "claim". They should just drop him and be done with the hassle. I'm not a big ins. co. fan, but the scammers piss me off even more. |
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Originally Posted By rcav8r: Huh. If those storm chaser "roofers" aren't bad enough, India has to go and copy them?? |
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Originally Posted By rfb45colt: Hail occurs in summer. In summer when temperatures are warm, asphalt based roofs become very pliable, and hail srikes are absorbed without doing any damage. I'm not saying that there aren't cases of HUGE hailstones doing damage... but I'm talking bigger than baseball sized and long duration storms. Those would be extremely rare occurances. If your car gets destroyed by a hailstorm while parked in your driveway, it might be time to check the roof. You're far more likely to have damage to aluminum or vinyl siding than a shingle roof. I run a roofing company (with 35 years experience), and this is just not true. This is copy paste but all truth: knocking off protective granules, which accelerates shingle aging and exposes the underlying material to water and UV rays. Larger hailstones can also cause bruising, cracks, or splits in shingles |
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Until recently, when I had a steel roof installed due to falling tree damage, I've always had good luck with quality asphalt shingle roofs. The one important thing about asphalt shingle roof longevity is you have to stay off of them once its installed. No chimney sweeps, dish installers or pest control sprayers walking around on them. Gary |
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Originally Posted By jack_pine_savage: Until recently, when I had a steel roof installed due to falling tree damage, I've always had good luck with quality asphalt shingle roofs. The one important thing about asphalt shingle roof longevity is you have to stay off of them once its installed. No chimney sweeps, dish installers or pest control sprayers walking around on them. Gary this is true...but not as bad if it's cooler weather. |
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Someone mentioned adjusters that don't know what they are looking at. After I retired from auto body work I thought heck I'll apply for an adjuster job. Nope not one insurance company would talk to me. After a couple months I bumped into a adjuster I knew well from the shops. He laughed and said the companies don't want people that know the business. Won't hire a tech for any reason. They want idiots they can train to their standards. Who cares about the customer and doing it right. |
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Originally Posted By Chipper44mag: Someone mentioned adjusters that don't know what they are looking at. After I retired from auto body work I thought heck I'll apply for an adjuster job. Nope not one insurance company would talk to me. After a couple months I bumped into a adjuster I knew well from the shops. He laughed and said the companies don't want people that know the business. Won't hire a tech for any reason. They want idiots they can train to their standards. Who cares about the customer and doing it right. because a real tech will find issues and they can't have that...they would have to pay out 
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When you're dead, you don't know you're dead. Hence, dealing with this fact is not difficult. It is only hard for those still living around you.....It's the same when you're stupid.
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Originally Posted By USSRangerSM: I run a roofing company (with 35 years experience), and this is just not true. This is copy paste but all truth: knocking off protective granules, which accelerates shingle aging and exposes the underlying material to water and UV rays. Originally Posted By USSRangerSM: I run a roofing company (with 35 years experience), and this is just not true. This is copy paste but all truth: knocking off protective granules, which accelerates shingle aging and exposes the underlying material to water and UV rays. Exactly how do you determine where granules have been knocked off, and what knocked them off? By merely looking at them? Hailstorms that are severe enough to knock enough granules off a roof that you can actually see the impact spots are very rare events. I've never seen it in my 20 years of crawling around on roofs. How many times have you seen it? Granules on shingles do protect them from UV rays, that's very true, it's why they're on there. Along with aesthetics. But they aren't applied to shingles to repel water from underlying materials. Missing granules will not, in itself, cause any leaks. Missing granules will lead to UV damage years down the road, if the roof doesn't reach it's normal lifespan before then. Larger hailstones can also cause bruising, cracks, or splits in shingles Agreed, and I said so. But what constitutes "larger"? If it dents your car or siding, it might damage your shingles. But hail that dents cars is unusually large. Unless your shingles are beyond their normal lifespan, hail that is not unusually large most likely will not crack or split an asphalt based shingle in good condition, not in normal summertime temps. (In cold weather, like during winter temps, all bets are off, as shingles become much more brittle with the cold temps, but hailstorms in winter are even more rare.) The steeper the pitch of the roof, the less likely there will be damage, as the hail doesn't make direct hits, it's more of a glancing blow. If it's brittle enough to crack or split from impact from something blunt like the "average" size hailstone when it's warm out, it was already dried out and deteriorated beyond the point of needing replacement anyway. You may need a new roof after an average hailstorm hits an old roof in poor condition, but it was the age and deterioring from long term sun exposure that did it in, not the hail. The hail was just the proverbial "last straw" that shows the poor condition the roof was in to start with. I'm not saying hail has never damaged roofs that were in good condition. But the incidents of it actually happening are far more rare than the scammers who try to take advantage of people with every little hail event would like you to believe. Scammers are like "OMG... it hailed on your roof, now your shingles are ruined!!"  And the dumbest schmucks out there fall for it...  |
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Originally Posted By jack_pine_savage: Until recently, when I had a steel roof installed due to falling tree damage, I've always had good luck with quality asphalt shingle roofs. The one important thing about asphalt shingle roof longevity is you have to stay off of them once its installed. No chimney sweeps, dish installers or pest control sprayers walking around on them. Gary The warmer the shingles get from the sun, or heat of the day, the easier it is to "scuff" the granules off just by walking on them. The steeper the pitch of the roof is, the more gravity wants to make your foot slide downhill, and the easier it becomes to do damage when shingles get "soft". So yes it's best to keep people inexperienced with walking on roofs without doing damage off of them. ESPECIALLY in hot weather when they are softer. If you must go up on a roof on a hot summer day, do it in the very early morning before it warms up. As it grows colder in fall, then winter, the risk of damage from walking decreases. The flatter the pitch of the roof decrease risk also. My house is only a 3/12 pitch. I can walk on it all day long and not do any damage. Roofers, and others who walk on roofs a lot (chimney sweeps?), learn to walk "flat footed" and don't twist their feet as they walk. There is a knack to it. |
| Like I mentioned earlier, a lot of the "scammers" are those who try to get a new free roof from the ins. co. Their roof is 5 years past the date when it should have been replaced and the first time a few hail stones hit, they're crying to the ins. co. for a replacement roof and everyone else ends up paying for it. If the ins. companies give a fair evaluation on these claims, there would be far less problems. If the roof was obviously well past its life span, refuse the claim. If it was in fact damaged by hail, pay the claim and move on. In Fl. now, some companies won't write a policy if the roof is older than 10 years - regardless of the condition. That's what happens when homeowners try their hand at scamming the ins. co. The ins. co. isn't out to lose money and they do what they feel warrants that from happening. |
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Originally Posted By rfb45colt: Exactly how do you determine where granules have been knocked off, and what knocked them off? By merely looking at them? Hailstorms that are severe enough to knock enough granules off a roof that you can actually see the impact spots are very rare events. I've never seen it in my 20 years of crawling around on roofs. How many times have you seen it? Granules on shingles do protect them from UV rays, that's very true, it's why they're on there. Along with aesthetics. But they aren't applied to shingles to repel water from underlying materials. Missing granules will not, in itself, cause any leaks. Missing granules will lead to UV damage years down the road, if the roof doesn't reach it's normal lifespan before then. I'm not saying hail has never damaged roofs that were in good condition. But the incidents of it actually happening are far more rare than the scammers who try to take advantage of people with every little hail event would like you to believe. Scammers are like "OMG... it hailed on your roof, now your shingles are ruined!!" And the dumbest schmucks out there fall for it... I've worked plenty of hail storms and have seen it often. Most recently ...some roof west of Madison this year, last year in Wisc. Rapids and couple of years before that Greenville area by Appleton got hit hard. It's very easy to tell when there's hail damage and obvious by the bruising/dents and I won't have to get on my knees to see. The first place I look is rain caps on vent pipes for first clue though. missing granules will not cause leak like you said, but will cause early failure in roof, and that's the reason insurance covers it. There are many legitimate hail damaged houses without a doubt...but also just as many other claims of people looking for a new roof for free when no damage has been done |
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When you're dead, you don't know you're dead. Hence, dealing with this fact is not difficult. It is only hard for those still living around you.....It's the same when you're stupid.
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When you're dead, you don't know you're dead. Hence, dealing with this fact is not difficult. It is only hard for those still living around you.....It's the same when you're stupid.