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Originally Posted By fighter443: https://apnews.com/article/gun-violence-us-supreme-court-colorado-shootings-politics-f919b74dc95062f322389349f35c0e93 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By fighter443: https://apnews.com/article/gun-violence-us-supreme-court-colorado-shootings-politics-f919b74dc95062f322389349f35c0e93 Not all those lawsuits will necessarily be successful. The Texas attorney general, for example, argues the Supreme Court ruling doesn't affect the state's age limit law, and more state and local governments can certainly defend their gun laws as being in line with U.S. history. Adam Skaggs, chief counsel and policy director at the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, predicted that when the dust settles, only laws "along the margins" will eventually be struck down. "Most judges are going to see these for what they are, which is overreaching and lacking in any merit," he said. Backers of gun restrictions can also look to a concurring opinion from Justice Brett Kavanaugh. Joined by Chief Justice John Roberts, Kavanaugh stressed that the Second Amendment does allow for a "variety" of gun regulations. He cited the use of background checks and mental health records as part of a licensing process to carry a gun and noted that states can forbid the carrying of firearms in "sensitive places" such as schools and government buildings. |
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Originally Posted By NoloContendere: https://c.tenor.com/b2VkoMV4hrYAAAAC/tombstone-im-your-huckleberry.gif View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By NoloContendere: Originally Posted By HiramRanger: August 23 can't get here soon enough https://c.tenor.com/b2VkoMV4hrYAAAAC/tombstone-im-your-huckleberry.gif You spelled "bitch" wrong... |
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The duty of a patriot is to protect his nation from its government.
"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!" |
Sensitive spaces and private property bans will be used by antigun states to make carry practically useless. Kavanaugh is typical of the 'sensitive' blather - oh, churches are sensitive as God might turn him into a pillar of salt for allowing a gun in church. No crazy will come to a library - or perhaps someone will read a book and that will turn a licensed carrier into a maniac. Lot of evidence of that, Beer Boy.
So loosening up the laws to get useless permits and higher capacity guns that you can't carry - so what. Scotus lives in an ivory tower of theoretic RKBA but has little idea of the day to day life of gun carry. They babble about levels of scrutiny, historical precedent and then leave tremendous loopholes to make the permits useless. They could have precluded this if they had truly thought about it. They are not that committed or bright. |
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Originally Posted By EXSUNY: Sensitive spaces and private property bans will be used by antigun states to make carry practically useless. Kavanaugh is typical of the 'sensitive' blather - oh, churches are sensitive as God might turn him into a pillar of salt for allowing a gun in church. No crazy will come to a library - or perhaps someone will read a book and that will turn a licensed carrier into a maniac. Lot of evidence of that, Beer Boy. So loosening up the laws to get useless permits and higher capacity guns that you can't carry - so what. Scotus lives in an ivory tower of theoretic RKBA but has little idea of the day to day life of gun carry. They babble about levels of scrutiny, historical precedent and then leave tremendous loopholes to make the permits useless. They could have precluded this if they had truly thought about it. They are not that committed or bright. View Quote Welcome fellow Gun enthusiast… |
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The duty of a patriot is to protect his nation from its government.
"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!" |
Originally Posted By EXSUNY: Sensitive spaces and private property bans will be used by antigun states to make carry practically useless. Kavanaugh is typical of the 'sensitive' blather - oh, churches are sensitive as God might turn him into a pillar of salt for allowing a gun in church. No crazy will come to a library - or perhaps someone will read a book and that will turn a licensed carrier into a maniac. Lot of evidence of that, Beer Boy. So loosening up the laws to get useless permits and higher capacity guns that you can't carry - so what. Scotus lives in an ivory tower of theoretic RKBA but has little idea of the day to day life of gun carry. They babble about levels of scrutiny, historical precedent and then leave tremendous loopholes to make the permits useless. They could have precluded this if they had truly thought about it. They are not that committed or bright. View Quote CSB |
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Originally Posted By EXSUNY: Sensitive spaces and private property bans will be used by antigun states to make carry practically useless. Kavanaugh is typical of the 'sensitive' blather - oh, churches are sensitive as God might turn him into a pillar of salt for allowing a gun in church. No crazy will come to a library - or perhaps someone will read a book and that will turn a licensed carrier into a maniac. Lot of evidence of that, Beer Boy. So loosening up the laws to get useless permits and higher capacity guns that you can't carry - so what. Scotus lives in an ivory tower of theoretic RKBA but has little idea of the day to day life of gun carry. They babble about levels of scrutiny, historical precedent and then leave tremendous loopholes to make the permits useless. They could have precluded this if they had truly thought about it. They are not that committed or bright. View Quote Welcome……but we know what your agenda is Say hi to Kathy |
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Disgruntled former state employee caught up in the SUNY scandal?
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What are you talking about? My point was that the new law will negate useful permits and that is a problem. How is that supporting Hochul or having anything to do with SUNY scandals? Agenda - I think reading comprehension might be a problem for some.
The laws in response to the decision on 9/1 makes the permits useless. Scotus location ban language seemed to suggest the path for this. NOW, do you understand? |
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Originally Posted By EXSUNY: What are you talking about? My point was that the new law will negate useful permits and that is a problem. How is that supporting Hochul or having anything to do with SUNY scandals? Agenda - I think reading comprehension might be a problem for some. The laws in response to the decision on 9/1 makes the permits useless. Scotus location ban language seemed to suggest the path for this. NOW, do you understand? View Quote |
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Originally Posted By EXSUNY: What are you talking about? My point was that the new law will negate useful permits and that is a problem. How is that supporting Hochul or having anything to do with SUNY scandals? Agenda - I think reading comprehension might be a problem for some. The laws in response to the decision on 9/1 makes the permits useless. Scotus location ban language seemed to suggest the path for this. NOW, do you understand? View Quote How pray tell did the ruling which says you cannot make everything a restricted or sensitive place pave the way for them to make EVERYTHING A RESTRICTED OR SENSITIVE PLACE? |
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The duty of a patriot is to protect his nation from its government.
"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!" |
Originally Posted By DaveM4P99: Yeah really. The majority opinion, which is the only opinion that holds the weght of law and sets precedence, says it quite well. SCOTUS was crystal clear, especially with text history and tradition as the bar. It's the low IQ NY state attorneys and legislators that don't understand the ruling enough to realize every gun law they have passed and are trying to pass is unconstitutional. No questions about it now. NY and Hochul drafted this concealed carry improvement law years ago hoping for intermediate scrutiny or a watered down strict scrutiny. When Thomas dropped the bomb of text history and tradition, they quickly started to re-write the law to comply, but quickly realized that every statute in the law was a no-go with the Thomas ruling. So they said fuck it and passed the whole law without changes. How is this not clear? https://i.imgur.com/0Esnrsx.png https://i.imgur.com/wdOdjLL.jpeg And then a nice little twist of the knife to strike AWBs and mag laws and ammo restriction laws... https://i.imgur.com/B9oEGdk.png And the Kavanaugh concurrence that everyone thinks affirms licensing but actually just says "this ruling wasn't asked to address licensing, but we know licensing in most liberal states is BS...so bring us a suit and we will overturn licensing too:" https://i.imgur.com/YADhiML.png And really you don't even need any of these gems to eviscerate gun laws... Did they have laws in the late 1700s that banned carry basically everywhere? No. Maybe a couple old English laws banning carry in certain flammable areas...but that was fire code due to black powder. Not applicable today. Did they have laws in the 1700s banning certain guns? Nope. Did they have laws banning the making of homemade guns? Nope. Did they require training and licensing to own a gun in the late 1700s? Nope. If there was no analogous law it's unconstitutional. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By DaveM4P99: Yeah really. The majority opinion, which is the only opinion that holds the weght of law and sets precedence, says it quite well. SCOTUS was crystal clear, especially with text history and tradition as the bar. It's the low IQ NY state attorneys and legislators that don't understand the ruling enough to realize every gun law they have passed and are trying to pass is unconstitutional. No questions about it now. NY and Hochul drafted this concealed carry improvement law years ago hoping for intermediate scrutiny or a watered down strict scrutiny. When Thomas dropped the bomb of text history and tradition, they quickly started to re-write the law to comply, but quickly realized that every statute in the law was a no-go with the Thomas ruling. So they said fuck it and passed the whole law without changes. How is this not clear? https://i.imgur.com/0Esnrsx.png https://i.imgur.com/wdOdjLL.jpeg And then a nice little twist of the knife to strike AWBs and mag laws and ammo restriction laws... https://i.imgur.com/B9oEGdk.png And the Kavanaugh concurrence that everyone thinks affirms licensing but actually just says "this ruling wasn't asked to address licensing, but we know licensing in most liberal states is BS...so bring us a suit and we will overturn licensing too:" https://i.imgur.com/YADhiML.png And really you don't even need any of these gems to eviscerate gun laws... Did they have laws in the late 1700s that banned carry basically everywhere? No. Maybe a couple old English laws banning carry in certain flammable areas...but that was fire code due to black powder. Not applicable today. Did they have laws in the 1700s banning certain guns? Nope. Did they have laws banning the making of homemade guns? Nope. Did they require training and licensing to own a gun in the late 1700s? Nope. If there was no analogous law it's unconstitutional. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By DaveM4P99: Originally Posted By HiramRanger: Originally Posted By EXSUNY: What are you talking about? My point was that the new law will negate useful permits and that is a problem. How is that supporting Hochul or having anything to do with SUNY scandals? Agenda - I think reading comprehension might be a problem for some. The laws in response to the decision on 9/1 makes the permits useless. Scotus location ban language seemed to suggest the path for this. NOW, do you understand? How pray tell did the ruling which says you cannot make everything a restricted or sensitive place pave the way for them to make EVERYTHING A RESTRICTED OR SENSITIVE PLACE? Yeah really. The majority opinion, which is the only opinion that holds the weght of law and sets precedence, says it quite well. SCOTUS was crystal clear, especially with text history and tradition as the bar. It's the low IQ NY state attorneys and legislators that don't understand the ruling enough to realize every gun law they have passed and are trying to pass is unconstitutional. No questions about it now. NY and Hochul drafted this concealed carry improvement law years ago hoping for intermediate scrutiny or a watered down strict scrutiny. When Thomas dropped the bomb of text history and tradition, they quickly started to re-write the law to comply, but quickly realized that every statute in the law was a no-go with the Thomas ruling. So they said fuck it and passed the whole law without changes. How is this not clear? https://i.imgur.com/0Esnrsx.png https://i.imgur.com/wdOdjLL.jpeg And then a nice little twist of the knife to strike AWBs and mag laws and ammo restriction laws... https://i.imgur.com/B9oEGdk.png And the Kavanaugh concurrence that everyone thinks affirms licensing but actually just says "this ruling wasn't asked to address licensing, but we know licensing in most liberal states is BS...so bring us a suit and we will overturn licensing too:" https://i.imgur.com/YADhiML.png And really you don't even need any of these gems to eviscerate gun laws... Did they have laws in the late 1700s that banned carry basically everywhere? No. Maybe a couple old English laws banning carry in certain flammable areas...but that was fire code due to black powder. Not applicable today. Did they have laws in the 1700s banning certain guns? Nope. Did they have laws banning the making of homemade guns? Nope. Did they require training and licensing to own a gun in the late 1700s? Nope. If there was no analogous law it's unconstitutional. Thank you…..well said |
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And, you can't make the entire island of Manhattan sensitive BUT you make every business banned unless they specifically allow carry. That destroys useful carry. How many businesses are gong to do that?
If you folks can't understand that this provision on 9/1 is devastating and all the quotes are meaningless if this law operates, you are not just getting it. You can't go into the gas station, the market, etc., etc. Thus, back to court for years of litigation and it is not clear that the court will not decide that this is property rights issue and let it go. Your quotes are meaningless in the operative environment on 9/1 - NO SIGN - you are a felon. |
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Originally Posted By EXSUNY: And, you can't make the entire island of Manhattan sensitive BUT you make every business banned unless they specifically allow carry. That destroys useful carry. How many businesses are gong to do that? If you folks can't understand that this provision on 9/1 is devastating and all the quotes are meaningless if this law operates, you are not just getting it. You can't go into the gas station, the market, etc., etc. Thus, back to court for years of litigation and it is not clear that the court will not decide that this is property rights issue and let it go. Your quotes are meaningless in the operative environment on 9/1 - NO SIGN - you are a felon. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By EXSUNY: And, you can't make the entire island of Manhattan sensitive BUT you make every business banned unless they specifically allow carry. That destroys useful carry. How many businesses are gong to do that? If you folks can't understand that this provision on 9/1 is devastating and all the quotes are meaningless if this law operates, you are not just getting it. You can't go into the gas station, the market, etc., etc. Thus, back to court for years of litigation and it is not clear that the court will not decide that this is property rights issue and let it go. Your quotes are meaningless in the operative environment on 9/1 - NO SIGN - you are a felon. View Quote That was just Thomas giving an example of a ridiculous sensitive place law...because NY has deemed NYC sensitive since 1911. Thomas clearly says almost no places are sensitive. I'm all for private property rights but the state can't decide that preemptively for all private properties. If a business wants to put up a no guns sign...and you disobey and refuse to leave, it would be a trespassing charge. Should not be anything to do with a weapons charge. Thomas was clear. Now the NY courts just have to abide. Which I agree is the tough part. |
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Originally Posted By EXSUNY: And, you can't make the entire island of Manhattan sensitive BUT you make every business banned unless they specifically allow carry. That destroys useful carry. How many businesses are gong to do that? If you folks can't understand that this provision on 9/1 is devastating and all the quotes are meaningless if this law operates, you are not just getting it. You can't go into the gas station, the market, etc., etc. Thus, back to court for years of litigation and it is not clear that the court will not decide that this is property rights issue and let it go. Your quotes are meaningless in the operative environment on 9/1 - NO SIGN - you are a felon. View Quote Just JB Weld a "Guns Allowed" sign near the entrance on your way in. |
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Originally Posted By EXSUNY: And, you can't make the entire island of Manhattan sensitive BUT you make every business banned unless they specifically allow carry. That destroys useful carry. How many businesses are gong to do that? If you folks can't understand that this provision on 9/1 is devastating and all the quotes are meaningless if this law operates, you are not just getting it. You can't go into the gas station, the market, etc., etc. Thus, back to court for years of litigation and it is not clear that the court will not decide that this is property rights issue and let it go. Your quotes are meaningless in the operative environment on 9/1 - NO SIGN - you are a felon. View Quote Yeah thanks pal... none of us were aware of that until you graced us with your presence... Might be why we pushed for Nolo to come here to fight this. |
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The duty of a patriot is to protect his nation from its government.
"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!" |
Originally Posted By DaveM4P99: Yeah really. The majority opinion, which is the only opinion that holds the weght of law and sets precedence, says it quite well. SCOTUS was crystal clear, especially with text history and tradition as the bar. It's the low IQ NY state attorneys and legislators that don't understand the ruling enough to realize every gun law they have passed and are trying to pass is unconstitutional. No questions about it now. View Quote They understand. They just don't care. |
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Originally Posted By Bushman_269: Throw enough crap against the wall and some is bound to stick. Brought to you by the poo flinging apes in the NYS legislature. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Bushman_269: Originally Posted By BushBoar: They understand. They just don't care. Throw enough crap against the wall and some is bound to stick. Brought to you by the poo flinging apes in the NYS legislature. Why do you have to insult apes dude? |
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The duty of a patriot is to protect his nation from its government.
"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!" |
I miss the old days, when @highspeedforlife was the gatekeeper for the new guys - no one was welcome anywhere!
Yes, they purposefully have passed stupid legislation that cannot justified legally in light of the Supreme Court. We know. |
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They understand. Don’t underestimate politicians. This was a big FU to SCOTUS. And to the Upstate voters.
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Originally Posted By Abom: They understand. Don't underestimate politicians. This was a big FU to SCOTUS. And to the Upstate voters. View Quote That's why I think nolo is notifying so many of the counties that their qualified immunity is null and void and he I'll be suing them personally. |
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***Last call***
Anyone interested in joining us for dinner w/ Nolo in Syracuse on Monday 8/22 at around 5:30-6pm, please DM me. Do not email me from the site. We will pick a spot this weekend and communicate plans via DM. Those of you who have already contacted me are good to go, I’ve got you on the list already. Hoping to see many of you |
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I filed for a permit renewal over a month and a half ago.
The county of Nassau charged my credit card. I spoke with pistol licensing and they have my permit renewal info. I have yet to receive a new permit. Here I sit with an expired permit now. Anyone else having this issue? |
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Originally Posted By Adirondack47: ***Last call*** Anyone interested in joining us for dinner w/ Nolo in Syracuse on Monday 8/22 at around 5:30-6pm, please DM me. Do not email me from the site. We will pick a spot this weekend and communicate plans via DM. Those of you who have already contacted me are good to go, I’ve got you on the list already. Hoping to see many of you View Quote Great, another list I'm on... |
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Originally Posted By NoloContendere: is valerie the person that would remove your restriction? the guidance came from the Supreme Court, so if "her" decision is predicated on "proper cause" which is unconstitutional, i would not like to be her at this moment. View Quote Valerie is a clerk there. |
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@nolocontendere what can you tell us about the states response today?
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Knowing NYS, what “stick” does SCOTUS have that would ever make NYS comply with their decision?
NYS operates as a nation unto itself. |
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Originally Posted By BillyBones: Knowing NYS, what "stick" does SCOTUS have that would ever make NYS comply with their decision? NYS operates as a nation unto itself. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Aardvark: The only "stick" is DOJ and Federal Marshal's or troops like was done to integrate schools down south. But since DOJ is pretty much against private citizenry being armed, I seriously doubt DOJ would file suit against NYS for ignoring a SCOTUS ruling. We will have flying purple unicorn's fa_ting rainbows long before DOJ goes after a state for ignoring the 2nd Amendment. It was nice to believe that the June 23rd (Thomas's and my birthday) Bruen ruling would change things but we already have two post-Bruen rulings out now from courts that basically ignore it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Aardvark: Originally Posted By BillyBones: Knowing NYS, what "stick" does SCOTUS have that would ever make NYS comply with their decision? NYS operates as a nation unto itself. I believe the "others" case in suffolk, and the other case, which I forget, were argued without taking NYSRPA vs. Bruen into account. It wasn't part of the argument. |
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We're all felons anyway. So if everyone is a felon, nobody is a felon.
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Originally Posted By DaveM4P99: I believe the "others" case in suffolk, and the other case, which I forget, were argued without taking NYSRPA vs. Bruen into account. It wasn't part of the argument. View Quote And that case was pushed back as well. |
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Folks from other Boards hit the roof telling me I was wrong about stripped Lowers, but if you read the language...
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What is steel compared to the hand that wields it?
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PM’s have been sent to those of you who would like to get together with us on Monday evening. If anyone has not gotten one or would like to, PM me.
Looking forward to it. |
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Originally Posted By Tahawus: Wrong how? What do you mean? View Quote 3. "Firearm" means (a) any pistol or revolver; or (b) a shotgun having one or more barrels less than eighteen inches in length; or (c) a rifle having one or more barrels less than sixteen inches in length; or (d) any weapon made from a shotgun or rifle whether by alteration, modifica- tion, or otherwise if such weapon as altered, modified, or otherwise has an overall length of less than twenty-six inches; or (e) an assault weapon; OR (F) ANY OTHER WEAPON THAT IS NOT OTHERWISE DEFINED IN THIS SECTION CONTAINING ANY COMPONENT THAT PROVIDES HOUSING OR A STRUCTURE DESIGNED TO HOLD OR INTEGRATE ANY FIRE CONTROL COMPONENT THAT IS DESIGNED TO OR MAY READILY BE CONVERTED TO EXPEL A PROJECTILE BY ACTION OF EXPLOSIVE. For the purpose of this subdivision the length of the barrel on a shotgun or rifle shall be determined by measuring the distance between the muzzle and the face of the bolt, breech, or breech- lock when closed and when the shotgun or rifle is cocked; the overall length of a weapon made from a shotgun or rifle is the distance between the extreme ends of the weapon measured along a line parallel to the center line of the bore. Firearm does not include an antique firearm. S-9456 |
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How long will the injunction hearing take ,will it be a few hours or a few days
do any of you guys plan on attending the hearing or are you even allowed to attend thanks for the responses . |
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Originally Posted By cranberry1: How long will the injunction hearing take ,will it be a few hours or a few days do any of you guys plan on attending the hearing or are you even allowed to attend thanks for the responses . View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By cranberry1: How long will the injunction hearing take ,will it be a few hours or a few days do any of you guys plan on attending the hearing or are you even allowed to attend thanks for the responses . Hearing is Tuesday - Originally Posted By NoloContendere: TEXT NOTICE re Motion [9] for Preliminary Injunction filed by Ivan Antonyuk, Gun Owners Foundation, Gun Owners of America New York, Inc., and Gun Owners of America, Inc.: An In-Person Motion Hearing is set for 8/23/2022 at 10:30 AM in Syracuse before Chief Judge Glenn T. Suddaby. (sal) I was leaving work early Monday to get to dinner on time; I'm tempted to take Tuesday off to go to the hearing but didn't know how much space there was going to be. |
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Originally Posted By MikeyCNY: Hearing is Tuesday - I was leaving work early Monday to get to dinner on time; I'm tempted to take Tuesday off to go to the hearing but didn't know how much space there was going to be. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By MikeyCNY: Originally Posted By cranberry1: How long will the injunction hearing take ,will it be a few hours or a few days do any of you guys plan on attending the hearing or are you even allowed to attend thanks for the responses . Hearing is Tuesday - Originally Posted By NoloContendere: TEXT NOTICE re Motion [9] for Preliminary Injunction filed by Ivan Antonyuk, Gun Owners Foundation, Gun Owners of America New York, Inc., and Gun Owners of America, Inc.: An In-Person Motion Hearing is set for 8/23/2022 at 10:30 AM in Syracuse before Chief Judge Glenn T. Suddaby. (sal) I was leaving work early Monday to get to dinner on time; I'm tempted to take Tuesday off to go to the hearing but didn't know how much space there was going to be. That’s a concern in terms of capacity. I’m coming in Monday and staying over to attend the hearing if capacity allows. |
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Good luck!
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Our thoughts and prayers are with you, God Bless you Nolo for what you do for the Second Amendment!
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