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Posted: 8/25/2022 4:40:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HiramRanger: In a perfect world if the injunction is granted the law is on hold. I do not pretend to know what the 2nd Circus might do. 
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Posted: 8/25/2022 5:10:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tc556guy: Even if they are able to somehow argue now that the training requirement is entirely downstate, I'm not seeing how they can justify that those counties are unique in some way that would require additional training as compared to permits issued anywhere else in the state. It's not like there aren't urban areas Upstate as well. The fact that the bill didn't even spell out their claim that it was limited to Downstate shows that they didn't even READ the draft copy that Moms, Everytown, and the other anti-gun groups drafted for them. Agreed , so basically what this means is that certain counties are more proficient with firearms and don’t need any training , the lawsuits are warming up I’ll be dammed if I have to do a 16 hour course just because I’m from downstate hell I’ve had my permit for over ten years now . |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 8/25/2022 5:38:12 PM EST
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Posted: 8/25/2022 5:44:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tahawus: Lewke has updated her story; training class estimated at $400 Poll tax. |
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Posted: 8/25/2022 5:53:25 PM EST
[#5]
Maybe the five rounds are free.
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Posted: 8/25/2022 6:14:10 PM EST
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By crwdplsr: What does that mean It means the court reporter filed the transcript and that I sent our request for a copy. |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 8/25/2022 7:41:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tahawus: Lewke has updated her story; training class estimated at $400 |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 8/25/2022 7:47:28 PM EST
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MAGICmaker: I'm shocked you would quote her after she ate your lunch on TWITTER. LOL Haha. I was right. |
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Posted: 8/25/2022 8:03:13 PM EST
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I was wrong in terms of the wording used: Recertification v. Renewal
Really sucks for the NYC Crowd, but it always has. That said. let us not loose sight of the abject fucking we're ALL getting with these changes. 
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Posted: 8/25/2022 8:30:26 PM EST
[Last Edit: cranberry1]
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fp1201: I was wrong in terms of the wording used: Recertification v. Renewal Really sucks for the NYC Crowd, but it always has. That said. let us not loose sight of the abject fucking we're ALL getting with these changes. I can’t wait for the lawsuits to start , this is utter bullshit for NYC , Nassau, Suffolk& Westchester residents having to lay out all this money and time for the same NYS pistol permit . This was the whole purpose of the lawsuit that the whole of NYS would be the same , they get away with it because nobody calls them on their bullshit . |
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Posted: 8/25/2022 9:12:49 PM EST
[#11]
Should demand state paid training.
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Posted: 8/25/2022 9:14:55 PM EST
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NY, USA
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Posted: 8/26/2022 4:24:34 AM EST
[Last Edit: Tahawus]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cranberry1: I can’t wait for the lawsuits to start , this is utter bullshit for NYC , Nassau, Suffolk& Westchester residents having to lay out all this money and time for the same NYS pistol permit . This was the whole purpose of the lawsuit that the whole of NYS would be the same , they get away with it because nobody calls them on their bullshit . Not sure that it matters that much when the new carry license - whether you are in Steuben County or Suffolk County - is rendered useless by the restricted and sensitive area rules that pretty much prohibit carry everywhere. |
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Posted: 8/26/2022 6:47:30 AM EST
[#14]
Have you noticed that Walmarts have already added "please carry concealed" signs already? Probably been there for months.
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NY, USA
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Posted: 8/26/2022 6:58:01 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dopple: Have you noticed that Walmarts have already added "please carry concealed" signs already? Probably been there for months. |
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Posted: 8/26/2022 7:45:50 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aardvark: Can't say that I have but here on the Long Island, the Walmart's I go to never sold guns due to public pressure so I doubt such signs would ever appear on them. |
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Posted: 8/26/2022 7:49:36 AM EST
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I don't go to a lot of WM's, but I have noticed "please refrain from the open carry of firearms" on the local one. That is a de facto invite for CC
if I ever saw one. |
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Posted: 8/26/2022 9:45:31 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Trader: I don't go to a lot of WM's, but I have noticed "please refrain from the open carry of firearms" on the local one. That is a de facto invite for CC if I ever saw one. |
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Posted: 8/26/2022 10:31:47 AM EST
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So where exactly are we getting the premise that you do not need to take the training to
re-certify an existing permit upstate? |
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Posted: 8/26/2022 10:39:28 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Crash1433: Thank you. That's what I was trying to say. THey can't just "keep going". If they do something wrong, even not knowing what wrong is, they lose their jobs. So the answer for them is to do nothing untl they get guidance from the state. County Clerks are elected officials. So are Sheriffs and County Court judges. They can't just lose their jobs and with few exceptions, they can't be told what to do. |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 8/26/2022 11:00:18 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BushBoar: County Clerks are elected officials. So are Sheriffs and County Court judges. They can't just lose their jobs and with few exceptions, they can't be told what to do. I think they can be removed by the governor though. |
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Posted: 8/26/2022 11:09:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ACDer: So where exactly are we getting the premise that you do not need to take the training to re-certify an existing permit upstate? The state’s filings in the federal court case where they say Ivan does not have to and for that reason he has no standing to sue. |
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Posted: 8/26/2022 11:10:12 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tahawus: I think they can be removed by the governor though. There are removal procedures; I know that ordinary citizens can go to court to try to remove a town supervisor. Not sure about the others or what specific authority the governor may have. But removing an elected official is no small thing, and if they're acting within their discretionary authority, such a removal wouldn't hold up. |
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Posted: 8/26/2022 11:44:40 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dopple: Have you noticed that Walmarts have already added "please carry concealed" signs already? Probably been there for months. |
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Posted: 8/26/2022 11:59:04 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless: They may have all said that the whole time and we didn't notice? They say that here in Utah open carry State? They'd all lose their fucking minds running for the doors if someone came in not wearing a uniform outside carrying. 
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NY, USA
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Posted: 8/26/2022 1:37:13 PM EST
[Last Edit: NonTypical361]
[#26]
So is this decision going to be released today?
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Posted: 8/26/2022 1:46:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NonTypical361: So is this decision going to be released today? |
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Posted: 8/26/2022 3:51:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless: They may have all said that the whole time and we didn't notice? They say that here in Utah Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless: Originally Posted By Dopple: Have you noticed that Walmarts have already added "please carry concealed" signs already? Probably been there for months. I would imagine these signs are meant for open carry states |
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Posted: 8/26/2022 4:56:38 PM EST
[Last Edit: cranberry1]
[#29]
So I guess the rumor is true that Westchester, NYC, Nassau & Suffolk co are going to have to do the 16 hour mandatory concealed carry class plus the two hour live fire class my sister who has a Rockland county permit just sent me a pic of her new permit which says concealed carry on it keep in mind my sister only got her restricted permit in March , I sent in my upgrade to concealed carry just after the Bruen ruling to Westchester co and have not heard anything from them this is some real bullshit .
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Posted: 8/26/2022 6:49:21 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cranberry1: So I guess the rumor is true that Westchester, NYC, Nassau & Suffolk co are going to have to do the 16 hour mandatory concealed carry class plus the two hour live fire class my sister who has a Rockland county permit just sent me a pic of her new permit which says concealed carry on it keep in mind my sister only got her restricted permit in March , I sent in my upgrade to concealed carry just after the Bruen ruling to Westchester co and have not heard anything from them this is some real bullshit . Every. Three. Years. |
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Posted: 8/26/2022 7:04:02 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CatskillDraht: Every. Three. Years. Any Westchester, NYC, Nassau & Suffolk members want to get in on a lawsuit . |
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Posted: 8/26/2022 7:22:02 PM EST
[Last Edit: Tahawus]
[#32]
This could be happening because Hochul is trying to be tough on gun control, but not lose too many Upstate voters. And not necessarily to keep them from voting for Zeldin, but probably more just to keep them home on Election Day.
Or they are just incompetent. |
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Posted: 8/26/2022 7:37:38 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tahawus: This could be happening because Hochul is trying to be tough on gun control, but not lose too many Upstate voters. And not necessarily to keep them from voting for Zeldin, but probably more just to keep them home on Election Day. Or they are just incompetent. I think your spot on with the election call , anyone I've spoken too finds this hard to believe that upstate gets a pass and downstate has to spend a small fortune and a lot of time just to get their CCW permit , I honestly believe this is a slam dunk of a lawsuit . |
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Posted: 8/27/2022 6:13:29 AM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cranberry1: Any Westchester, NYC, Nassau & Suffolk members want to get in on a lawsuit .  |
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Posted: 8/27/2022 7:51:16 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cranberry1: Any Westchester, NYC, Nassau & Suffolk members want to get in on a lawsuit . Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cranberry1: Originally Posted By CatskillDraht: Every. Three. Years. Any Westchester, NYC, Nassau & Suffolk members want to get in on a lawsuit . I would happily sign on as a plaintif in Suffolk county. |
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Posted: 8/27/2022 9:49:07 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cranberry1: I think your spot on with the election call , anyone I've spoken too finds this hard to believe that upstate gets a pass and downstate has to spend a small fortune and a lot of time just to get their CCW permit , I honestly believe this is a slam dunk of a lawsuit . NY state of "equity". |
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Posted: 8/27/2022 1:18:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tahawus: This could be happening because Hochul is trying to be tough on gun control, but not lose too many Upstate voters. And not necessarily to keep them from voting for Zeldin, but probably more just to keep them home on Election Day. Or they are just incompetent. Incompetent by design? "Yes ma'am, we're going to play stupid here, and here, and this paragraph down here." Might explain the Wicked Witch's outburst the other day. " Why don't all you Republicans [and your guns] get on a bus and move to Florida! You're not New Yorkers! Caw! Caw! ' |
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Posted: 8/27/2022 1:26:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 15ladder: Incompetent by design? "Yes ma'am, we're going to play stupid here, and here, and this paragraph down here." Might explain the Wicked Witch's outburst the other day. " Why don't all you Republicans [and your guns] get on a bus and move to Florida! You're not New Yorkers! Caw! Caw! ' Is that outburst admissible in court? Admitted bias against millions of her constituents. |
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Posted: 8/27/2022 4:31:37 PM EST
[Last Edit: 15ladder]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By P400: Is that outburst admissible in court? Admitted bias against millions of her constituents. Upon further review, she was referring to Trump, Zeldin, and Molinaro, apparent ringleaders of the conservative penii, none of whom were in the room. Backpedaling is good exercise. She did not mention firearms. |
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Posted: 8/27/2022 4:37:20 PM EST
[Last Edit: cviss]
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dopple: Have you noticed that Walmarts have already added "please carry concealed" signs already? Probably been there for months. I see them here on the coast nc… open carry here you don’t need a permit. Just concealed you need a permit .. yes it’s an 8 hour course with live fire 30 rounds from 3-15 yards.. after I had the class training the permit took 2 weeks but a month to get I read the date on permit was two weeks from date I submitted the paper work.. Fyi the next town over for me is camp lejeune so we are loaded with crayon eaters and squids |
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Posted: 8/27/2022 7:54:39 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fighter443: Well y’all know how to reach me 🔥 |
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Posted: 8/27/2022 8:07:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere: Well y’all know how to reach me 🔥 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere: Originally Posted By fighter443: Well y’all know how to reach me 🔥 Let’s see what the judge says in a few days and the states response to the training requirements if the rumors are true than it’s game on , I want to thank you Nolo for all that you’ve done for NY from the stun gun case to the Bruen decision thanks again . |
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Posted: 8/27/2022 9:36:52 PM EST
[#43]
I wonder whether all the peace officers who carry on a pistol permit and not on their badge - court officers, corrections, etc - will be required to do this course every 3 years to keep their duty pistols. I did not see any exemption for LEOs
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Posted: 8/28/2022 12:26:16 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By batjka104: I wonder whether all the peace officers who carry on a pistol permit and not on their badge - court officers, corrections, etc - will be required to do this course every 3 years to keep their duty pistols. I did not see any exemption for LEOs My guess would be that their agencies would simply build the training requirements into the existing in-service training. I brought it up to our training coordinator two weeks ago and at that point they were waiting to hear what the state was going to mandate. The real sticking point locally is the lack of range availability. |
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Posted: 8/28/2022 7:16:54 AM EST
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Gubmint working on a Saturday? They posted these FAQ's on the new gun laws yesterday.
Proably trying to take bullet points away from Nolo's case. NYS Police FAQ on New Gun Laws. |
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Posted: 8/28/2022 10:06:36 AM EST
[Last Edit: DaveM4P99]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CatskillDraht: Gubmint working on a Saturday? They posted these FAQ's on the new gun laws yesterday. Proably trying to take bullet points away from Nolo's case. NYS Police FAQ on New Gun Laws. Yeah the only thing GOA got wrong was the Adirondack Park part. It's not really a park...it's a state forest preserve mixed with lots of private property. So not technically a restricted location. Hopefully the injunction happens. If it doesn't, it'll be many years before it gets to SCOTUS. And who knows what will happen to the court by then. |
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Posted: 8/28/2022 10:49:17 AM EST
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They've really picked the recert vs renewal for upstate as a hill to die on. If it works and Ivan doesn't have standing what happens next?
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Posted: 8/28/2022 11:19:30 AM EST
[Last Edit: DaveM4P99]
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BenC: They've really picked the recert vs renewal for upstate as a hill to die on. If it works and Ivan doesn't have standing what happens next? Well the most immediate / pressing problem is the myriad of new sensitive places, and the state deciding for all private properties that guns are defacto banned. That's not how private property rights work. So the bulk of the suit doesn't change. |
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Posted: 8/28/2022 9:52:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BenC: They've really picked the recert vs renewal for upstate as a hill to die on. If it works and Ivan doesn't have standing what happens next? it's what the state always does.....Bruen almost didn't make it to SCOTUS. |
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Posted: 8/28/2022 11:35:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BenC: They've really picked the recert vs renewal for upstate as a hill to die on. If it works and Ivan doesn't have standing what happens next? Ivan is suing on multiple grounds, training is just one of them. |
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