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Posted: 4/19/2021 8:24:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @bwhited Could you tell us, on the main lever (left), does this have a large and small notch? I'm asking this to determine if a Colt 'short lever' will fit it. Thanks I did not look and they are already packaged up and sent back. As soon as I saw both were long I sealed it back up as I have no use for that like most here. AU did not mention a restocking fee but they know they are in the wrong here so I do not expect one. If they try I'll just dispute it with my CC company so not worried about it. |
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Posted: 4/19/2021 8:55:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. Non issue. Eta: Sounds as if the spring/detent were omitted/incorrectly installed if the assy is free wheeling. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted:  have you had luck with a F/A safety in an AR15? I have seen the safety move round and round and round. I have not examined what part is not hitting what. The ones I have tried would not stay in one place. Yes. Non issue. Eta: Sounds as if the spring/detent were omitted/incorrectly installed if the assy is free wheeling. If so, why not use the F/A version? I had heard issues some had, but the M16 conversion kit to SA does not include a new safety. I suppose at some point you risk have machine gun parts as you begin to add safety, BCG, engraved “auto” and still not have sear or third hole. |
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Posted: 4/19/2021 10:18:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If so, why not use the F/A version? I had heard issues some had, but the M16 conversion kit to SA does not include a new safety. I suppose at some point you risk have machine gun parts as you begin to add safety, BCG, engraved “auto” and still not have sear or third hole. Conversion kit consists of: Selector, Semi-Auto-Only Disconnector, Semi-Auto (0.155) Disconnector Spring - Black If one is worried about FA components, mod the FA selector.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/19/2021 12:51:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If so, why not use the F/A version? I had heard issues some had, but the M16 conversion kit to SA does not include a new safety. I suppose at some point you risk have machine gun parts as you begin to add safety, BCG, engraved “auto” and still not have sear or third hole. Using a full auto selector in a semi auto AR15: If you have a semi auto trigger and semi auto disconnector and don't remove the nub from the auto selector, it will be safe semi safe. If you have a full auto trigger and semi auto disconnector and don't remove the nub from the auto selector, it will be safe semi semi. If you have a full auto trigger and full auto disconnector and don't remove the nub, it will be safe semi hammer follow. Depending on timing, this could result in multiple shots being fired. It's probably not a good idea to use this combo. If you have any trigger and any disconnector and remove the nub from the auto selector, it will be safe semi semi. If your AR15 doesn't have selector stops, the selector will be able to travel past safe while rotating counter clockwise and will be able to travel past auto when rotating clockwise. Function check it after you install it. Make sure it goes from semi to safe with the bolt forward and locked to the rear. |
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Posted: 4/19/2021 5:37:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I did not look and they are already packaged up and sent back. As soon as I saw both were long I sealed it back up as I have no use for that like most here. AU did not mention a restocking fee but they know they are in the wrong here so I do not expect one. If they try I'll just dispute it with my CC company so not worried about it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: @bwhited Could you tell us, on the main lever (left), does this have a large and small notch? I'm asking this to determine if a Colt 'short lever' will fit it. Thanks I did not look and they are already packaged up and sent back. As soon as I saw both were long I sealed it back up as I have no use for that like most here. AU did not mention a restocking fee but they know they are in the wrong here so I do not expect one. If they try I'll just dispute it with my CC company so not worried about it. I received mine today and both notches are the same size, so the Colt short lever will not fit. |
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Posted: 4/19/2021 6:22:36 PM EDT
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I received my ambi-selectors from AU today. For those wondering, here is what they look like.
They come in an individual ziplock baggie.  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 4/19/2021 6:25:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/19/2021 6:38:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The hex screw has either M-K or H-K imprinted on it. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/336740/20210419_171544_jpg-1911246.JPG Thanks for posting Minuteman1636 That ambi safety looks exactly like the one I purchased from Primary Arms in March & I paid $19.08 shipped for it. Exact same markings too. Here is mine sourced from PA:  Attached File Attached FileThe Colt short lever will not fit to the main (left) lever. |
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Posted: 4/19/2021 6:38:33 PM EDT
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So there selling Schmit tool ambi safety’s for almost double the price
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Posted: 4/19/2021 6:40:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So there selling Schmit tool ambi safety’s for almost double the price That's what I initially thought, and now it is confirmed. |
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Posted: 4/19/2021 7:07:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's what I initially thought, and now it is confirmed. That’s a shame, here it is at PA for $19.95 under Expo Arms ambi safety.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/19/2021 7:16:52 PM EDT
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I noticed PA is also selling the Schmit Tool ambi safety with the shaved right side lever for 2 different prices.
FN marketed $104.99 and Sonics $32.33   Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 4/19/2021 7:17:44 PM EDT
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I am not smart enough, or have access to a url to post a pic, but did just get an email of all the items on sale at AU, and a picture of a real Colt safety with a small right leg and sale priced for $44. ?????
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Posted: 4/19/2021 7:34:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am not smart enough, or have access to a url to post a pic, but did just get an email of all the items on sale at AU, and a picture of a real Colt safety with a small right leg and sale priced for $44. ????? Received an AU email at 5:44pm today and it shows the advertisement for the "Colt AR15/M4 Ambidextrous Semi-Auto Safety Selector" SALE:$44. As pictured it has both long levers. Hmmm. Eta: maybe check that email again? |
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Posted: 4/19/2021 7:42:13 PM EDT
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I'm at a loss as to what to tell the crowd here. All of the ambi-safeties that have come on my Colt factory rifles have a short right-side lever.
I have been told that the selector that I posted is indeed Colt. But, you guys have a valid question as to why the short levers cannot be installed. If I learn anything of substance I will contribute it back here. In the meantime, I will watch, read and try to learn more. |
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Posted: 4/19/2021 7:58:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I must be living in time warp. I ha e not seen Brownells ever sell a complete Comt ambi safety set (seen them sell parts), and it has been 3 years since I have seen AU sell a complete kit. A while back I bought the parts and each leg was $30, give or take and the screw em was $9, so $70 in total. But your pic on left is a full auto safety. I have seen those a lot less. But they will spin in a semi-auto. I cannot tell, but maybe the right pic is also full auto? Honestly, I have not seen prices at the level you are suggesting in 3 years fir Colt semi auto Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That sucks seems like AU is just getting greedy. Selector on right purchased from AU 2 months ago $44 and the selectors on left purchased at the same time from brownells $49.99 both have cage codes. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/236598/F13C4F7C-0F4E-48E7-BD6F-801B72811515_jpe-1907767.JPG I must be living in time warp. I ha e not seen Brownells ever sell a complete Comt ambi safety set (seen them sell parts), and it has been 3 years since I have seen AU sell a complete kit. A while back I bought the parts and each leg was $30, give or take and the screw em was $9, so $70 in total. But your pic on left is a full auto safety. I have seen those a lot less. But they will spin in a semi-auto. I cannot tell, but maybe the right pic is also full auto? Honestly, I have not seen prices at the level you are suggesting in 3 years fir Colt semi auto They sold them at some point because my 901 is sporting a Colt semi ambi safety I bought from Brownells years ago. Has the S stamp on it and the right side lever is short. |
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Posted: 4/19/2021 8:02:56 PM EDT
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I'm thinking at this point if you would want a shaved Schmid Tool 'S' marked ambidextrous semi-auto safety you could purchase/source from Primary Arms or direct from Sionics Weapon Systems. Or wait and see what Brownells gets in stock.
Colt does use the Schmid Tool manufacture for its safety selectors? So now, is the long lever version being substituted for the normal Colt short lever version? According to AU the long lever, its a Colt. What stands out to me looking at these, in particular, is that these ambi selectors are all Schmid Tool 'S' manufactured. BTW I'm looking at the retail price for these ambi selectors across merchants too. So FN is currently the most expensive $104 and Sionics Weapon Systems is the most economical at under $20 for either their short or long lever. |
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Posted: 4/19/2021 8:05:45 PM EDT
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Schmid is a Colt supplier for selectors.
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Posted: 4/19/2021 8:10:09 PM EDT
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Just checked my 2 actual Colt long/short lever ambi safeties, the older one has the Schmid "S" on the long lever and a "5SY02"very lightly stamped on the short lever and the "H-K" on the screw head, another brand new Colt ambi from Charlie's Custom Clones has the Schmid "S" on the long lever and "13629" in a dot matrix on the short lever and the "H-K" on the screw. The Spikes long/long lever ambi has the Schmid "S" on both levers and "H-K" on the screw.
I have an LMT ambi long/long with nothing marked or stamped on it at all and a standard LMT safety with "LMT" on it centered between the lever and the index pointer. |
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Posted: 4/19/2021 8:16:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Schmid is a Colt supplier for selectors. And Cerro is a supplier for upper forgings... If AU sells a generic Cerro upper, it's Colt! |
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Posted: 4/19/2021 8:21:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And Cerro is a supplier for upper forgings... If AU sells a generic Cerro upper, it's Colt! I'm not trying to discount anybody's input here. I don't know a damn thing about selectors so I'm trying to learn here. |
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Posted: 4/19/2021 8:32:15 PM EDT
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Well that's a bummer. Glad I saw this thread.
It's one of the last parts I need for my Block II clone! Guess I'll be emailing tonight for an RMA/refund and wait for brownells to get them back in stock |
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Posted: 4/19/2021 8:57:53 PM EDT
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Something is fuckey with the Sonics offering.
The "S" marking on the short lever is defaced, like it's been modded. Chop and reprofile of a Schmid ambi with long levers.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/19/2021 8:59:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Something is fuckey with the Sonics offering. The "S" marking on the short lever is defaced, like it's been modded. Chop and reprofile of a Schmid ambi with long levers. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/416992/Screenshot_20210419-194243_Samsung_Inter-1911458.JPG I had one of the schmidt ones and compared to colt and they are just. Different. I wouldn't say they are the same at all. |
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Posted: 4/19/2021 9:08:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The hex screw has either M-K or H-K imprinted on it. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/336740/20210419_171544_jpg-1911246.JPG H-K is Holo Krome. They make high quality fasteners. |
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Posted: 4/19/2021 9:08:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Something is fuckey with the Sonics offering. The "S" marking on the short lever is defaced, like it's been modded. Chop and reprofile of a Schmid ambi with long levers. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/416992/Screenshot_20210419-194243_Samsung_Inter-1911458.JPG Some guys in another group say that some are being sold by vendors after they have ground down the right side lever which creates the appearance that your photo shows. |
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Posted: 4/19/2021 9:09:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: H-K is Holo Krome. They make high quality fasteners. Thanks for that bit of info. |
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Posted: 4/19/2021 9:32:15 PM EDT
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My two came in along with a receiver extension and buffer spring (no complaints on the latter parts).
What’s funny is they were packaged in a separate, unsealed shipper inside the main shipper...almost like the returns are expected. Lol. There’s a third variation I noticed. The new picture on their listing shows both long side, but it also still shows the main piece as reversible. What I received is only milled to receive the detent in the traditional location. |
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Posted: 4/19/2021 9:41:25 PM EDT
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So...anybody have a spare legit 3-position ambi that we all thought we were getting? Lol
Just emailed them, hopefully it's as simple as some others experienced. |
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Posted: 4/19/2021 9:42:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some guys in another group say that some are being sold by vendors after they have ground down the right side lever which creates the appearance that your photo shows. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Something is fuckey with the Sonics offering. The "S" marking on the short lever is defaced, like it's been modded. Chop and reprofile of a Schmid ambi with long levers. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/416992/Screenshot_20210419-194243_Samsung_Inter-1911458.JPG Some guys in another group say that some are being sold by vendors after they have ground down the right side lever which creates the appearance that your photo shows. Yeah, it is definitely a common idea. I agree, I cannot see any other reason for the marking being partially obliterated. |
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Posted: 4/19/2021 9:44:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Received an AU email at 5:44pm today and it shows the advertisement for the "Colt AR15/M4 Ambidextrous Semi-Auto Safety Selector" SALE:$44. As pictured it has both long levers. Hmmm. Eta: maybe check that email again? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I am not smart enough, or have access to a url to post a pic, but did just get an email of all the items on sale at AU, and a picture of a real Colt safety with a small right leg and sale priced for $44. ????? Received an AU email at 5:44pm today and it shows the advertisement for the "Colt AR15/M4 Ambidextrous Semi-Auto Safety Selector" SALE:$44. As pictured it has both long levers. Hmmm. Eta: maybe check that email again? Email I received today shows short and long lever.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/19/2021 9:51:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Something is fuckey with the Sonics offering. The "S" marking on the short lever is defaced, like it's been modded. Chop and reprofile of a Schmid ambi with long levers. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/416992/Screenshot_20210419-194243_Samsung_Inter-1911458.JPG I’m curious as to what the FN one they have pictured in the ad looks like on the other side. I think the “line” profile on the short lever may determine if it was a modded long lever?? “Straight” lines equal modded lever, “rounded” equal factory short. I posted this pic on page 1, but here is a factory Colt again, the end has the “rounded” or “oval” lines. Does anyone have a known legit Colt short lever with “straight” lines?  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/19/2021 9:54:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Email I received today shows short and long lever. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/439146/4551FD25-1285-4F4C-BAC7-B4F515E2FA5D_png-1911546.JPG Odd, I checked mine again just now and doesn't match yours, description at link says "With full sized levers." I received the AU email about 3 hours ago. What does the product description read in yours? Eta: I suppose if you click the link in the email you'll find the ad was possibly updated? |
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Posted: 4/19/2021 10:02:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m curious as to what the FN one they have pictured in the ad looks like on the other side. I think the “line” profile on the short lever may determine if it was a modded long lever?? “Straight” lines equal modded lever, “rounded” equal factory short. I posted this pic on page 1, but here is a factory Colt again, the end has the “rounded” or “oval” lines. Does anyone have a known legit Colt short lever with “straight” lines? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/439146/A263B7F5-9A8C-4E90-8801-C9920419847D_jpe-1911554.JPG You may very well be correct. FWIW, this is all that I know as legit Colt ambi selectors...I bought these from AU in 2018(?) IIRC.  Attached FileS marking on long lever, CAGE on short lever and reversible. |
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Posted: 4/19/2021 10:02:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does anyone have a known legit Colt short lever with “straight” lines? I have a few factory Colt rifles with the Colt ambidextrous selector, none have straight lines on the short lever. |
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Posted: 4/19/2021 10:07:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Something is fuckey with the Sonics offering. The "S" marking on the short lever is defaced, like it's been modded. Chop and reprofile of a Schmid ambi with long levers. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/416992/Screenshot_20210419-194243_Samsung_Inter-1911458.JPG Wow. Good catch. Did you buy that one? I was wondering about that brand and just not trusting it. |
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Posted: 4/19/2021 10:19:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m curious as to what the FN one they have pictured in the ad looks like on the other side. I think the “line” profile on the short lever may determine if it was a modded long lever?? “Straight” lines equal modded lever, “rounded” equal factory short. FWIW, my FN rifle looks just like your picture. It’s funny how you never look at such details until someone spots a counterfeit. The FN short lever is straight and Comt has rounded ovals. I am imagining some sales guy at Schmid, “so you want six oval lines and you are not happy with the 20,000 parts we made for FN with straight lines, and you want the “S” where? What do you want on the he head screw, or do you want a flat screw like Karl Lewis asked for? Is black oxide okay, or so you want phosphate like Reed asked for? Shamie? He wanted the long legs and to make sure they did not fit the grooves we made fir the boys at Hartford. Honestly, at some point, I would think Schmidt would say, “it’s a f*****g lever. Take the $2 lever, or a change will cost you $20. |
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Posted: 4/19/2021 10:20:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow. Good catch. Did you buy that one? I was wondering about that brand and just not trusting it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Something is fuckey with the Sonics offering. The "S" marking on the short lever is defaced, like it's been modded. Chop and reprofile of a Schmid ambi with long levers. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/416992/Screenshot_20210419-194243_Samsung_Inter-1911458.JPG Wow. Good catch. Did you buy that one? I was wondering about that brand and just not trusting it. No. Just something that I noticed last year while considering a substitute for the always OOS Colt units. FWIW, those Sonics offerings utilize the same attachment method as the el cheapo Schmid ambis for $20. They will not accept a legit Colt/FN short lever. |
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Posted: 4/19/2021 10:29:28 PM EDT
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Pic of FN Military Collector with ambi. Short lever has straight lines not the continuous oval...
 Attached FileEta: pic is 3 years old. |
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Posted: 4/19/2021 10:51:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So...anybody have a spare legit 3-position ambi that we all thought we were getting? Lol Just emailed them, hopefully it's as simple as some others experienced. Here's a Colt ambi from a AU previous batch. Sorry for the crappy pics, but it's almost bed time and I didn't feel like cleaning off the oil or making sure everything was sized to scale.  You can (barely) see that the tabs on the small lever which engage the barrel of the selector are different sizes, so they can't be used on a generic Schmid tool ambi selector. I can see no markings on the small lever, while the full size lever has the S. The small lever has the lines that curve around the bottom part of the lever. The selector barrel has detent positions on either end, so it's reversible as well as ambidextrous.  
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Posted: 4/20/2021 7:09:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Here's a Colt ambi from a AU previous batch. Sorry for the crappy pics, but it's almost bed time and I didn't feel like cleaning off the oil or making sure everything was sized to scale. You can (barely) see that the tabs on the small lever which engage the barrel of the selector are different sizes, so they can't be used on a generic Schmid tool ambi selector. I can see no markings on the small lever, while the full size lever has the S. The small lever has the lines that curve around the bottom part of the lever. The selector barrel has detent positions on either end, so it's reversible as well as ambidextrous. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/622/ambi1-1911626.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/622/ambi2-1911625.jpg This is exactly the one configuration I wanted to buy. I wouldn't mind having this ambi-safety on all my AR15s. This ambi-safety part must be super popular, then, considering the scalpers who buy up all merchant inventory and relist them again at an even higher more than x2 markup 'again'. Is it even possible to purchase this specific safety direct from the actual manufacturer? We could end this with a group buy! Right now, LOL. Then the part wouldn't technically be 'Colt 13629'? It would just be a Schmid Tool 'S' semi-auto ambidextrous safety selector. AU says that the long levers is what Colt is going with now? Haha for $44. Eta: Maybe I should buy another Colt AR that has the short lever ambi- selector. Problem solved.  |
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Posted: 4/20/2021 7:55:01 AM EDT
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Read the reviews on the AU product page.
All April purchases, all fails. AU and Botach must be kindred spirits. |
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Posted: 4/20/2021 7:55:46 AM EDT
[#43]
Interesting.
So is the general consensus that these were not sold as advertised? |
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Posted: 4/20/2021 8:01:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting. So is the general consensus that these were not sold as advertised? Very much so. |
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Posted: 4/20/2021 8:48:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Read the reviews on the AU product page. All April purchases, all fails. AU and Botach must be kindred spirits. Like others, I've seen these elsewhere for less than half the price AU was selling them. The first ambi selector I bought (PSA house brand) was Schmid Tool marked, and from what I remember, well under $20 and identical to the 'Colt' assembly that AU is now shipping. At that time I even bought some of the short levers from Brownells assuming they would fit, but of course they don't. I don't think AU has any bad intent but there seems to be a disconnect somewhere. I assume in this case they received a box from Colt marked ambi selectors, put them in stock and opened up orders without checking whether the part matched the existing description or what they've previously stocked. Same as the recent M4 receivers - I wasn't happy with the Magpul parts, but at least those were easily replaced and at the end I still had a genuine Colt M4 receiver. Unfortunately there's no way to fix the selectors. |
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Posted: 4/20/2021 8:55:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are they all ARCOMmers? Like others, I've seen these elsewhere for less than half the price AU was selling them. The first ambi selector I bought (PSA house brand) was Schmid Tool marked, and from what I remember, well under $20 and identical to the 'Colt' assembly that AU is now shipping. At that time I even bought some of the short levers from Brownells assuming they would fit, but of course they don't. I don't think AU has any bad intent but there seems to be a disconnect somewhere. I assume in this case they received a box from Colt marked ambi selectors, put them in stock and opened up orders without checking whether the part matched the existing description or what they've previously stocked. Same as the recent M4 receivers - I wasn't happy with the Magpul parts, but at least those were easily replaced and at the end I still had a genuine Colt M4 receiver. Unfortunately there's no way to fix the selectors. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Read the reviews on the AU product page. All April purchases, all fails. AU and Botach must be kindred spirits. Like others, I've seen these elsewhere for less than half the price AU was selling them. The first ambi selector I bought (PSA house brand) was Schmid Tool marked, and from what I remember, well under $20 and identical to the 'Colt' assembly that AU is now shipping. At that time I even bought some of the short levers from Brownells assuming they would fit, but of course they don't. I don't think AU has any bad intent but there seems to be a disconnect somewhere. I assume in this case they received a box from Colt marked ambi selectors, put them in stock and opened up orders without checking whether the part matched the existing description or what they've previously stocked. Same as the recent M4 receivers - I wasn't happy with the Magpul parts, but at least those were easily replaced and at the end I still had a genuine Colt M4 receiver. Unfortunately there's no way to fix the selectors. 
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Posted: 4/20/2021 9:06:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: AU and Botach must be kindred spirits. There has been talk that they are the same company. Both in Las Vegas. BOTACH “appears” to have a very large institutional base, however. And, they answer emails. ?????? I have had a few interactions with BOTACH, like AU, I would say mixed experiences. I have said before, I don’t like “us” bashing dealers. I think we play I to the hands of those who would like to see all gun parts banned from Internet sales. “Ghost Gun Parts.” I am a little surprised that AU has not gotten in fro t of this issue, and the “got the lowers from Colt” issue. I now have come to believe both statements are false. When they issued “Colt Mk12 rifles,” they came out and explained the action. Again, the part seems sound. But, it is not what they claim. I have reservations that they got it from Colt. Just like the lowers. But, why make a problem worse? The company needs PR help. When you have a problem, get in front of it. Don’t double-down. The lowers were a good deal. They were takes-parts. No, you cannot build a pistol, “take it or leave it.” I think all would have been solved. Now, they have 300 comments about creating a story of the origin of the lowers. “Sorry, the new guy labeled our ‘Private Label’ Schmid ambi safeties Colt. They are not, but they work just like Colt, and at $44, they are a solid deal.” Done. Furthermore, “maybe others have found cheaper Schmid safeties, but we made a very large purchase of 2,000 parts and have done extensive testing and we stand behind every Schmid Tool safety you buy with an unconditional warranty. You might be able to find Billy Bob safeties which look like ours, but we use heat treated milspec Reardon Steel, which costs us more in engineering and R&D.” Extra points. |
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Posted: 4/20/2021 9:46:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Odd, I checked mine again just now and doesn't match yours, description at link says "With full sized levers." I received the AU email about 3 hours ago. What does the product description read in yours? Eta: I suppose if you click the link in the email you'll find the ad was possibly updated? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Email I received today shows short and long lever. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/439146/4551FD25-1285-4F4C-BAC7-B4F515E2FA5D_png-1911546.JPG Odd, I checked mine again just now and doesn't match yours, description at link says "With full sized levers." I received the AU email about 3 hours ago. What does the product description read in yours? Eta: I suppose if you click the link in the email you'll find the ad was possibly updated? For clarification, the screen shot I posted was what came up when looking at the email. Clicking the link to AUs site it brings up the 2 long lever picture with it saying that in the description. |
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Posted: 4/20/2021 10:06:06 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There has been talk that they are the same company. Both in Las Vegas. BOTACH “appears” to have a very large institutional base, however. And, they answer emails. ?????? I have had a few interactions with BOTACH, like AU, I would say mixed experiences. I have said before, I don’t like “us” bashing dealers. I think we play I to the hands of those who would like to see all gun parts banned from Internet sales. “Ghost Gun Parts.” I am a little surprised that AU has not gotten in fro t of this issue, and the “got the lowers from Colt” issue. I now have come to believe both statements are false. When they issued “Colt Mk12 rifles,” they came out and explained the action. Again, the part seems sound. But, it is not what they claim. I have reservations that they got it from Colt. Just like the lowers. But, why make a problem worse? The company needs PR help. When you have a problem, get in front of it. Don’t double-down. The lowers were a good deal. They were takes-parts. No, you cannot build a pistol, “take it or leave it.” I think all would have been solved. Now, they have 300 comments about creating a story of the origin of the lowers. “Sorry, the new guy labeled our ‘Private Label’ Schmid ambi safeties Colt. They are not, but they work just like Colt, and at $44, they are a solid deal.” Done. Furthermore, “maybe others have found cheaper Schmid safeties, but we made a very large purchase of 2,000 parts and have done extensive testing and we stand behind every Schmid Tool safety you buy with an unconditional warranty. You might be able to find Billy Bob safeties which look like ours, but we use heat treated milspec Reardon Steel, which costs us more in engineering and R&D.” Extra points. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: AU and Botach must be kindred spirits. There has been talk that they are the same company. Both in Las Vegas. BOTACH “appears” to have a very large institutional base, however. And, they answer emails. ?????? I have had a few interactions with BOTACH, like AU, I would say mixed experiences. I have said before, I don’t like “us” bashing dealers. I think we play I to the hands of those who would like to see all gun parts banned from Internet sales. “Ghost Gun Parts.” I am a little surprised that AU has not gotten in fro t of this issue, and the “got the lowers from Colt” issue. I now have come to believe both statements are false. When they issued “Colt Mk12 rifles,” they came out and explained the action. Again, the part seems sound. But, it is not what they claim. I have reservations that they got it from Colt. Just like the lowers. But, why make a problem worse? The company needs PR help. When you have a problem, get in front of it. Don’t double-down. The lowers were a good deal. They were takes-parts. No, you cannot build a pistol, “take it or leave it.” I think all would have been solved. Now, they have 300 comments about creating a story of the origin of the lowers. “Sorry, the new guy labeled our ‘Private Label’ Schmid ambi safeties Colt. They are not, but they work just like Colt, and at $44, they are a solid deal.” Done. Furthermore, “maybe others have found cheaper Schmid safeties, but we made a very large purchase of 2,000 parts and have done extensive testing and we stand behind every Schmid Tool safety you buy with an unconditional warranty. You might be able to find Billy Bob safeties which look like ours, but we use heat treated milspec Reardon Steel, which costs us more in engineering and R&D.” Extra points. AU does not give 2 shits. They made that abundantly clear here before their exit as an IP. Even going as far as insulting members here when confronted over the "Commando" bbls which were FBI profile with a "factory" shaved FSB and odd sized GP diameters. |
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Posted: 4/20/2021 11:26:17 AM EDT
[#50]
I ordered 2 on this past Saturday the 17th only to realize they were not Colt.
I emailed them back in an hour to cancel the order, I got a cancelation confirmation the next day, the 18th. |
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