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I gots to know... How much? Not as much as they will be next year on gunbroker |
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that is some kind of sexy, wish i had the money to get them im still dissapointed the marines didnt choose it, luckily the mexican army thought it was awesome |
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I got to shoot one at the Le/Mil range day. Fun gun to shoot it was the civilian version no happy switch. It's not as heavy as it looks. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I gots to know... How much? Edited...VA-gunnut Why are you posting dealer cost in all the threads? My apologies if I've stepped on any toes...mods are welcome to remove the posts. I believe dealers have every right to make a fair profit on an item...there's not a thing in the world wrong with that and I encourage it! My problem is unscrupulous dealers that will ass rape a customer on an item...especially a "new" or "limited" item. Posting the cost was simply my way of letting you guys here on the forum know if you were getting a fair shake or being hung out to dry. I've worked in the industry for over ten years and have witnessed first hand customers getting fucked over...it bothered me each and every time. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I gots to know... How much? Edited...VA-gunnut Why are you posting dealer cost in all the threads? My apologies if I've stepped on any toes...mods are welcome to remove the posts. I believe dealers have every right to make a fair profit on an item...there's not a thing in the world wrong with that and I encourage it! My problem is unscrupulous dealers that will ass rape a customer on an item...especially a "new" or "limited" item. Posting the cost was simply my way of letting you guys here on the forum know if you were getting a fair shake or being hung out to dry. I've worked in the industry for over ten years and have witnessed first hand customers getting fucked over...it bothered me each and every time. I for one appreciate the hell out of you posting dealer price not knowing is how assholes get buy charging 1400 for 6920s and people getting ripped off then MGFs getting the blame for high prices if other dealers dont like that you are doing it, then oh well. i dont mind to pay over dealer, I know they got to make a profit, but they dont need to retire off of 1 gun they just sold some poor trusting slob |
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Since this is technically Colt's Industry Forum, and I am unsure of their policies regarding dealer prices, I'm editing out the info.
Please refrain from posting similar info in the future. |
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The official part number will be LE6940IARD. There are 750 scheduled to be built in 2012 with one Distributor committing to purchase all of them.
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Plenty of guys will buy it for the upper so they can slap it on their registered full auto Lower.
On the other hand, I guess it's the same question some people ask about why we own any semi auto version of the M16. Because it's American, and we can. |
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What the hell good does a semi-auto IAR do you? same as those crazy ass semi thompson SMGs with a 16 inch barrel and semi BARs and semi belt fed conversions of MG42s. M60s MG34s 1919s etc etc etc |
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I gots to know... How much? Edited...VA-gunnut Why are you posting dealer cost in all the threads? +1? Why shouldn't he post the dealer cost? Besides what VA wrote, I don't see anything wrong in knowing what a dealer pays for the item. After seeing the dealer cost though, it is much higher than I expected... a consumer will pay less for the .308 Colt SP901 than what a dealer pays for the IAR. I'd like to know if replacement barrels, heat exchangers or rail pieces will be available in the distant future when these get worn and shot out from automatic use (which is probably the only useful reason to buy one if you have the money). |
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I gots to know... How much? Edited...VA-gunnut Why are you posting dealer cost in all the threads? +1? Why shouldn't he post the dealer cost? Besides what VA wrote, I don't see anything wrong in knowing what a dealer pays for the item. After seeing the dealer cost though, it is much higher than I expected... a consumer will pay less for the .308 Colt SP901 than what a dealer pays for the IAR. I'd like to know if replacement barrels, heat exchangers or rail pieces will be available in the distant future when these get worn and shot out from automatic use (which is probably the only useful reason to buy one if you have the money). I was quoting the dealer pricing from distributors not directly from Colt. Regardless I have no issue with honoring the mods request. I'm easy, fair, and a team player! |
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The IAR is a extremely specialized weapon, our version is too and hence the price is higher than it would seem it should be. Lots go into making a weapon like the IAR, extreme precision of the gas tube hole for perfect gas tube alignment etc.. Also the amount of R&D on a sustained fire weapon does cost much more. Sure you can throw together a IAR type weapon but to prove it works takes serious testing. On many AR products the gains are very subjective but on a weapon like this the gains will in fact become very transparent.
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The IAR is a extremely specialized weapon, our version is too and hence the price is higher than it would seem it should be. Lots go into making a weapon like the IAR, extreme precision of the gas tube hole for perfect gas tube alignment etc.. Also the amount of R&D on a sustained fire weapon does cost much more. Sure you can throw together a IAR type weapon but to prove it works takes serious testing. On many AR products the gains are very subjective but on a weapon like this the gains will in fact become very transparent. Who is "our"? |
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The IAR is a extremely specialized weapon, our version is too and hence the price is higher than it would seem it should be. Lots go into making a weapon like the IAR, extreme precision of the gas tube hole for perfect gas tube alignment etc.. Also the amount of R&D on a sustained fire weapon does cost much more. Sure you can throw together a IAR type weapon but to prove it works takes serious testing. On many AR products the gains are very subjective but on a weapon like this the gains will in fact become very transparent. Who is "our"? DSArms, its in their name. They have a pretty cool iar |
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FDE version looks nice. Maybe I should stay out of the Colt Industry forum before I get myself into trouble.
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The IAR is a extremely specialized weapon, our version is too and hence the price is higher than it would seem it should be. Lots go into making a weapon like the IAR, extreme precision of the gas tube hole for perfect gas tube alignment etc.. Also the amount of R&D on a sustained fire weapon does cost much more. Sure you can throw together a IAR type weapon but to prove it works takes serious testing. On many AR products the gains are very subjective but on a weapon like this the gains will in fact become very transparent. The difference in price from a standard Colt AR and the IAR is more than $1,500. Are you saying that gastube alignment is worth $1500? It's a loaded question, sorry. But seriously though, the lower is a standard lower receiver. The only difference is the upper. Maybe I'm dumb, but all I am seeing in "an extremely specialized weapon" is the ability of the barrel to withstand sustained automatic fire. I am not in the intended consumer group for the Colt IAR nor any other companies version of an IAR, but I find it hard to believe that R&D is as complex as you lead us to believe on a modification to the AR such as this. |
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If they're only doing 750 of them, and the heat sink and rail aren't common items, I can see how they could ask for a premium and expect to get it.
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750 for CIVILIAN market. Because the Colt IAR has been such a hot selling on the LE / Export market? How many do you really think Mexico bought? LE is most likely not terribly interested in an IAR - you could maybe sell a couple dozen to big SWAT units. The rest of the world watches what the U.S. military is buying and buys that. It's like high school girls and despotic fashion. I love Colt rifles, and I think the Colt IAR is an excellently designed weapon - but not for nothing, unless the government solicits a big order - the IAR is the next Colt LSW. A kind of oddity that floats around once in a while, produced every once in a while, but generally dead in the water. FWIW, LSW uppers command a premium over standard uppers - and what're those? Basically HBAR M16A2 barrels with a funky handguard. ~Augee |
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750 for CIVILIAN market. Because the Colt IAR has been such a hot selling on the LE / Export market? How many do you really think Mexico bought? LE is most likely not terribly interested in an IAR - you could maybe sell a couple dozen to big SWAT units. The rest of the world watches what the U.S. military is buying and buys that. It's like high school girls and despotic fashion. I love Colt rifles, and I think the Colt IAR is an excellently designed weapon - but not for nothing, unless the government solicits a big order - the IAR is the next Colt LSW. A kind of oddity that floats around once in a while, produced every once in a while, but generally dead in the water. FWIW, LSW uppers command a premium over standard uppers - and what're those? Basically HBAR M16A2 barrels with a funky handguard. ~Augee i though the IAR is here to stay |
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The IAR is not a dying idea, we have 2 qoutes for our IAR right now. The force is strong with these types.
Plug and play is the future in in autos, belt guns have too many issues. Weight (your only as fast as your slowest man) Bulky (your only as fast as your slowest man) Slow to reload (try a belt speed load sometime) Reduced Combat Accuracy(due to the lack of select fire and open bolt design) Action Open to derbis also links rust too fast inducing FTF Feed devises not interchangable with troops(ever had to break down belts in a hurry?) Extra training ( a belt gunner needs more training while any troop can depoly a IAR easliy) |
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The official part number will be LE6940IARD. There are 750 scheduled to be built in 2012 with one Distributor committing to purchase all of them. Which distributor is that? |
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At SHOT the semi-auto ones didn't have flash hiders on them, only the full auto one.
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The official part number will be LE6940IARD. There are 750 scheduled to be built in 2012 with one Distributor committing to purchase all of them. Which distributor is that? MGE Wholesale |
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The IAR is a extremely specialized weapon, our version is too and hence the price is higher than it would seem it should be. Lots go into making a weapon like the IAR, extreme precision of the gas tube hole for perfect gas tube alignment etc.. Also the amount of R&D on a sustained fire weapon does cost much more. Sure you can throw together a IAR type weapon but to prove it works takes serious testing. On many AR products the gains are very subjective but on a weapon like this the gains will in fact become very transparent. Who is "our"? DSArms, its in their name. They have a pretty cool iar Huh- didn't even realize they made one, thanks. |
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750 for CIVILIAN market. Because the Colt IAR has been such a hot selling on the LE / Export market? How many do you really think Mexico bought? LE is most likely not terribly interested in an IAR - you could maybe sell a couple dozen to big SWAT units. The rest of the world watches what the U.S. military is buying and buys that. It's like high school girls and despotic fashion. I love Colt rifles, and I think the Colt IAR is an excellently designed weapon - but not for nothing, unless the government solicits a big order - the IAR is the next Colt LSW. A kind of oddity that floats around once in a while, produced every once in a while, but generally dead in the water. FWIW, LSW uppers command a premium over standard uppers - and what're those? Basically HBAR M16A2 barrels with a funky handguard. ~Augee i though the IAR is here to stay Not meaning to imply that the IAR is "going anywhere." I'm sure it will remain a produceable and catalog item for quite sometime, as the LSW has. The LSW has been around in an A1, A2, and A4 variant. My comment was just that it's never been a hot seller, and I don't think the IAR will be either unless someone in the U.S. military buys it. Support weapons are a limited market item, even for LE. I don't think it's going away, but I also don't see it ever being as widespread as other offerings. As for the IAR concept, I've got kinda mixed feelings on that... I don't necessarily believe that a doctrinal AR (automatic rifleman) needs a completely new weapon, a current production M4A1 with the HB barrel could fit the AR role - while I would think that a product improved, lightened MK 46 might be better suited to a light support weapon role. I've never really liked the SAW concept, and the M249 is a poor platform for it. Tactically, I would prefer a larger number of ARs - troops equipped with standard M4A1s (say 1 per 3 in a squad - assuming a 9 man Army squad, that's three ARs), with a good LMG/LSW capactiy to employed at a section level. I'm not sure how USMC MTOEs are employing the IAR at the moment, but my understanding is that they're more or less a direct SAW replacement - understand of course that Marine MTOEs and squad sizes and tactics differ somewhat from an Army organization. 3 ARs per squad would allow each fireteam in an MTOE Army squad to have an automatic weapon, with an automatic capability for the SQD LDR. ~Augee |
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Silly question. I understand this is a semi only rifle, and the full auto version fires from an open bolt. So does mean one couldn't slap this upper on a RR or DIAS and make it rock and roll? Anyone know?
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The IAR is closed bolt unless its changed from the ones I saw on display at SOFIC years back also yes it will bolt on your reg lower/DIAS.
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Colt IAR design is closed bolt.
Some other mfgs designs were open bolt or a combination. |
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For anyone that has ever trained with the Brits or others who have already been cursed with a BAR/LSW/IAR/ type, or other Armies that dont employ any sort of 5.56 LAW, the M249 SAW is still the envy of most. The amount of lead that can be put downrange in comparison is staggering.
The proven unreliability of drums/quad stacks makes the weight/complication advantages moot....At the end of the day, you are stuck with a heavier rifle that still employs 30rd mags. The M249s (like the M60s 15 years ago) have been kept well past their service life....Rather then buy new ones and toss the old ones, they keep giving them out.... There are other problems with the way the Army employs/issues them out, but thats another discussion. |
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The IAR is closed bolt unless its changed from the ones I saw on display at SOFIC years back also yes it will bolt on your reg lower/DIAS. Good stuff. Thanks for the sanity check. |
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so was this made for the US Marine contract for the IAR idea? i don't see why this has the hand guards and it's still a DI system? i don't see the point of this.
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so was this made for the US Marine contract for the IAR idea? i don't see why this has the hand guards and it's still a DI system? i don't see the point of this. Yes. The "hand guards" are a heat sink to prevent ammunition cook off in a hot gun. Important in a closed-bolt support weapon, and why most support weapons operate open bolt. It allows you to have a lighter barrel. As for the DI, what don't you get? ~Augee |
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the DI system is the weak link, it blows dirt directly into the bolt and action that will cause malfunctions during prolonged contact where a lot of rounds are being put down. the H&K IAR we have doesn't have this problem, i've seen them after we dumped 1,500 rounds threw each one. it was dirty but no where near as dirty as i DI Colt would be.
if it was up to me i think i would have gone with the LWRC option seeing as the FA selection made it fire from an open bolt so heat isn't as big a problem. The M27 (H&K IAR) is nice but it's not a gift from god like some people think it is, nothing really broke on ours but the but stocks keep falling apart. the rubber pad gets lost easy and most of our guys were using zip ties to keep them from rotating off. |
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the DI system is the weak link, it blows dirt directly into the bolt and action that will cause malfunctions during prolonged contact where a lot of rounds are being put down. the H&K IAR we have doesn't have this problem, i've seen them after we dumped 1,500 rounds threw each one. it was dirty but no where near as dirty as i DI Colt would be. if it was up to me i think i would have gone with the LWRC option seeing as the FA selection made it fire from an open bolt so heat isn't as big a problem. The M27 (H&K IAR) is nice but it's not a gift from god like some people think it is, nothing really broke on ours but the but stocks keep falling apart. the rubber pad gets lost easy and most of our guys were using zip ties to keep them from rotating off. ::sigh:: Are you trolling, or really just that impressionable and have read too many Military Times articles? Your response will influence my answer. ~Augee |
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no that was a real answer, am i missing something on the DI system? there is no perfect system but a piston is a Better system than DI. i've worked on both and the DI system has less moving parts and is simpler but if you're building something that is supposed to give high volumes of full auto fire then the DI is your weak link.
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no that was a real answer, am i missing something on the DI system? there is no perfect system but a piston is a Better system than DI. i've worked on both and the DI system has less moving parts and is simpler but if you're building something that is supposed to give high volumes of full auto fire then the DI is your weak link. You're not "missing" anything about DI, however, there's not anything wrong with the DI, either. It is not "the weak link" in the AR15 system, despite what Military Times and the piston fans continue to insist. With the AR15 system specifically, the piston is less than desireable because it requires a different operating system to be proverbially "duct taped" into an internal gas impingement piston design (what's usually referred to as "DI"). While some manufacturers, after years of R&D have been able to make the gas piston system work in an AR15, it requires a lot of modifications and non-standard parts, and particularly with early examples, a lot of new problems were induced, many of which were not anticipated. It's simply not as simple as "swapping out" the gas system. Piston ARs have been tried out numerous times in the past, beginning with the Colt Model 703 in the late 1960s. The Rhino system was developed as an aftermarket conversion in the 1980s. Some of the best AR manufacturers and builders out there, with years and years of experience on AR-based systems have continually stated that the piston system is unnecessary, to include Colt, who developed a piston system only due to customer demand (originally for the USSOCOM SCAR program that is becoming the "PO" series of select-fire rifles, and SP6940P), and KAC - the last employer of a one Eugene Stoner. Fully automatic DI ARs have functioned without problem for decades. USSOCOM is in the divestiture process of the MK 16 MOD 0 (SCAR-L) in favor of returning to the M4A1. Honestly, I believe the only reason for the resurgence and popularity of the piston AR today is the fact that a few small elements in the special operations community adopted the HK416. Otherwise, it would have simply died quietly again like it did in the 70s and the 80s. ~Augee |
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well i may not know as much on the topic as you but i'll take a system that doesn't leave me scrapping carbon buildup off of the bolt and carrier for an hour. every system has it's ups and down's so there isn't a perfect type out there but a piston works for me and i prefer it over DI.
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but i'll take a system that doesn't leave me scrapping carbon buildup off of the bolt and carrier for an hour. If it takes you an hour to clean those 2 pieces, you are doing something wrong. |
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but i'll take a system that doesn't leave me scrapping carbon buildup off of the bolt and carrier for an hour. If it takes you an hour to clean those 2 pieces, you are doing something wrong. Yep, it takes me 15-30 minutes to clean my rifle, the military teaches a white glove method that does more harm than good. Also its been known that carbong fouling doesnt cause stoppages its sand. So tell me how slapping an op rod on the AR makes it less prone to sand? It doesnt tolerences are still the same. It could be said the design of the gas tube is the weak link in the system, since its the first thing that goes on the M4A1 tests |
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