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Originally Posted By AR-Rhino:
Hate to say it, but something is off on that SAW 6945. The barrel is cut way to close to the FSB. That looks like maybe 10.1 " versus 10.3"? You might want to pull the Flashider off and see if it is a cutdown 16" barrel. Factory barrels have a crisp 90 degree cut where the threads return/step into the barrel. Cut down barrels normally have a radiused cut. That might be why the Bayo lug is chopped in order to cut it down? Should have a bayo lug as all the Colt 10.3 MK 18's I have seen have one. And you would be wrong... The "SP" designation tells you it is a 10" barrel. NONE of the 6945/6946 (10.3 inch barrel) SBR's have a bayonet lug. Colt is doing it right. If you can't put a bayonet onit, it doesn't need a bayonet lug. |
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You are correct the factory SBR's that Colt is doing right now for LE do not have the lug. However, the one AR-Rhino is refering to is a SAW configured weapon. SAW cut the barrel and lug... It is their "SP" model not Colt's and it is a 10in barrel. See the SAW site...
http://www.specializedarmament.com/products/LE6945SP-921-2.html |
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If someone is looking for one of these, I have access to them.
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In MD?
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These uppers are nice! Any one got a pic with a can?
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I drank a case of beer, just to watch it die!
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You an 07/02, or are those A2 lowers?
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Accurized semi over a couple A2s; just fitted with upgrades not yet function/accuracy tested. Will see how they perform with BH MK 262 and 5.56MM 70gr. ammunition. Colt 10" M4 upper being replaced by the 6946 never missed a beat and was surprisingly accurate out to 300yds. I hunted with it where lawful.
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Originally Posted By leid:
Accurized semi over a couple A2s; just fitted with upgrades not yet function/accuracy tested. Will see how they perform with BH MK 262 and 5.56MM 70gr. ammunition. Colt 10" M4 upper being replaced by the 6946 never missed a beat and was surprisingly accurate out to 300yds. I hunted with it where lawful. Awesome! Expensive couple guns you have there. Makes me miss my Colt M16A1 RR. |
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I am old school. 1st factory Colt AR-15 select fire was $280 + stamp, 2nd $300, 3rd $320, etc. Just traded up thru the years.
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Originally Posted By leid:
Markings on this 6946 barrel are of interest: "07/11" date, "M" indicating magnetic particle inspection, "O" indicating chrome lined, & "G" indicating manufacture for Colt by Green Mountain Rifle Barrel Co. Inc. Edit: My information is that Green Mountain was the only barrel manufacturer of several trying to win a contract from Colt that could meet the military specifications on barrels. I guess that means we can add Green Mountain to the list of real MK18 barrel manufacturers. This could blow Augee's mind... ETA: Colt provides the spec on the barrel manufacturing process, so I'm not exactly sure how Colt decides to award a specific outsource contract, but they do seem to favor GM as of late. |
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Originally Posted By Predator:
Originally Posted By leid:
Markings on this 6946 barrel are of interest: "07/11" date, "M" indicating magnetic particle inspection, "O" indicating chrome lined, & "G" indicating manufacture for Colt by Green Mountain Rifle Barrel Co. Inc. Edit: My information is that Green Mountain was the only barrel manufacturer of several trying to win a contract from Colt that could meet the military specifications on barrels. I guess that means we can add Green Mountain to the list of real MK18 barrel manufacturers. This could blow Augee's mind... ETA: Colt provides the spec on the barrel manufacturing process, so I'm not exactly sure how Colt decides to award a specific outsource contract, but they do seem to favor GM as of late. Wow!!! |
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Originally Posted By Predator:
Originally Posted By leid:
Markings on this 6946 barrel are of interest: "07/11" date, "M" indicating magnetic particle inspection, "O" indicating chrome lined, & "G" indicating manufacture for Colt by Green Mountain Rifle Barrel Co. Inc. Edit: My information is that Green Mountain was the only barrel manufacturer of several trying to win a contract from Colt that could meet the military specifications on barrels. I guess that means we can add Green Mountain to the list of real MK18 barrel manufacturers. This could blow Augee's mind... ETA: Colt provides the spec on the barrel manufacturing process, so I'm not exactly sure how Colt decides to award a specific outsource contract, but they do seem to favor GM as of late. Great, now you've done it. I can just hear the "just as good" crowd now... I would still consider a Green Mountain subcontracted barrel to be a Colt barrel. I doubt I could call Green Mountain and ask them for the same barrel they build for Colt and they would sell me one. If you can only get it from Colt, and its Colt's specs and tolerances, and it ships to you from Colt, not from Green Mountain, for all intents and purposes, it's a Colt product. Don't worry, the just as good crowd will continue to insist that their Green Mountain commercial production barrels are just as good as Colt barrels - "because Green Mountain makes Colt's parts." ~Augee |
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Originally Posted By Augee:
Originally Posted By Predator:
Originally Posted By leid:
Markings on this 6946 barrel are of interest: "07/11" date, "M" indicating magnetic particle inspection, "O" indicating chrome lined, & "G" indicating manufacture for Colt by Green Mountain Rifle Barrel Co. Inc. Edit: My information is that Green Mountain was the only barrel manufacturer of several trying to win a contract from Colt that could meet the military specifications on barrels. I guess that means we can add Green Mountain to the list of real MK18 barrel manufacturers. This could blow Augee's mind... ETA: Colt provides the spec on the barrel manufacturing process, so I'm not exactly sure how Colt decides to award a specific outsource contract, but they do seem to favor GM as of late. Great, now you've COLT's done it. I can just hear the "just as good" crowd now... I would still consider a Green Mountain subcontracted barrel to be a Colt barrel. I doubt I could call Green Mountain and ask them for the same barrel they build for Colt and they would sell me one. If you can only get it from Colt, and its Colt's specs and tolerances, and it ships to you from Colt, not from Green Mountain, for all intents and purposes, it's a Colt product. Don't worry, the just as good crowd will continue to insist that their Green Mountain commercial production barrels are just as good as Colt barrels - "because Green Mountain makes Colt's parts." ~Augee Colt is saying good things about Green Mountain. As long as this made-for-Colt mil. spec. Green Mountain barrel shoots straight, I have no problem with Colt's thinking. I am expecting it to shoot tight with MK 262 and 70gr. TSX; the 10" Colt M4 upper this 6946 is replacing sure did. We will see. |
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I really wish that they would come out with a longer railed mono. 7" just isn't long enough for me. I'd take 2 if they were 9-11" long. Had a 6940 and just couldn't get past it. It was an unbelievably accurate Colt. By far the most accurate Colt I ever ran that was a capable of printing MOA or better (got a .62 with 69 SMK) all day long.
I hope Colt starts to follow some of the other high end manufactures cues. |
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Originally Posted By d90king:
I really wish that they would come out with a longer railed mono. 7" just isn't long enough for me. I'd take 2 if they were 9-11" long. Had a 6940 and just couldn't get past it. It was an unbelievably accurate Colt. By far the most accurate Colt I ever ran that was a capable of printing MOA or better (got a .62 with 69 SMK) all day long. I hope Colt starts to follow some of the other high end manufactures cues. I've often wondered if a manufacture could make an aftermarket extended bottom rail that actually extended the bottom and side rails and maybe even the top. I haven't taken my bottom rail off in a while so i don't really remember how it locks up but seems like it would be possible. Im talking about something like the rail Daniel Defense has that they put on there first rifle. edit: something like this https://danieldefense.com/rail-systems/ris-ii/m4a1-fsp-rail-interface-system-ii-ris-ii.html or this https://danieldefense.com/rail-systems/ar-15-lite-rail/ar15-lite-railtm-9-5-fsp-carbine.html |
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Originally Posted By CAC01:
Originally Posted By AR-Rhino:
Hate to say it, but something is off on that SAW 6945. The barrel is cut way to close to the FSB. That looks like maybe 10.1 " versus 10.3"? You might want to pull the Flashider off and see if it is a cutdown 16" barrel. Factory barrels have a crisp 90 degree cut where the threads return/step into the barrel. Cut down barrels normally have a radiused cut. That might be why the Bayo lug is chopped in order to cut it down? Should have a bayo lug as all the Colt 10.3 MK 18's I have seen have one. And you would be wrong... The "SP" designation tells you it is a 10" barrel. NONE of the 6945/6946 (10.3 inch barrel) SBR's have a bayonet lug. Colt is doing it right. If you can't put a bayonet onit, it doesn't need a bayonet lug. I'm confused. There are pictures of a 6945 on page 2 showing a bayonet lug. What am i missing here? |
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Originally Posted By js308:
Originally Posted By CAC01:
Originally Posted By AR-Rhino:
Hate to say it, but something is off on that SAW 6945. The barrel is cut way to close to the FSB. That looks like maybe 10.1 " versus 10.3"? You might want to pull the Flashider off and see if it is a cutdown 16" barrel. Factory barrels have a crisp 90 degree cut where the threads return/step into the barrel. Cut down barrels normally have a radiused cut. That might be why the Bayo lug is chopped in order to cut it down? Should have a bayo lug as all the Colt 10.3 MK 18's I have seen have one. And you would be wrong... The "SP" designation tells you it is a 10" barrel. NONE of the 6945/6946 (10.3 inch barrel) SBR's have a bayonet lug. Colt is doing it right. If you can't put a bayonet onit, it doesn't need a bayonet lug. I'm confused. There are pictures of a 6945 on page 2 showing a bayonet lug. What am i missing here? Bayo lug = complete upper kit sold alone, NO bayo lug = complete rifle's |
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Originally Posted By LiquidG:
Originally Posted By js308:
Originally Posted By CAC01:
Originally Posted By AR-Rhino:
Hate to say it, but something is off on that SAW 6945. The barrel is cut way to close to the FSB. That looks like maybe 10.1 " versus 10.3"? You might want to pull the Flashider off and see if it is a cutdown 16" barrel. Factory barrels have a crisp 90 degree cut where the threads return/step into the barrel. Cut down barrels normally have a radiused cut. That might be why the Bayo lug is chopped in order to cut it down? Should have a bayo lug as all the Colt 10.3 MK 18's I have seen have one. And you would be wrong... The "SP" designation tells you it is a 10" barrel. NONE of the 6945/6946 (10.3 inch barrel) SBR's have a bayonet lug. Colt is doing it right. If you can't put a bayonet onit, it doesn't need a bayonet lug. I'm confused. There are pictures of a 6945 on page 2 showing a bayonet lug. What am i missing here? Bayo lug = complete upper kit sold alone, NO bayo lug = complete rifle's Why did they mill them off on completet rifles but not complete uppers? |
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Originally Posted By LiquidG:
Originally Posted By js308:
Originally Posted By CAC01:
Originally Posted By AR-Rhino:
Hate to say it, but something is off on that SAW 6945. The barrel is cut way to close to the FSB. That looks like maybe 10.1 " versus 10.3"? You might want to pull the Flashider off and see if it is a cutdown 16" barrel. Factory barrels have a crisp 90 degree cut where the threads return/step into the barrel. Cut down barrels normally have a radiused cut. That might be why the Bayo lug is chopped in order to cut it down? Should have a bayo lug as all the Colt 10.3 MK 18's I have seen have one. And you would be wrong... The "SP" designation tells you it is a 10" barrel. NONE of the 6945/6946 (10.3 inch barrel) SBR's have a bayonet lug. Colt is doing it right. If you can't put a bayonet onit, it doesn't need a bayonet lug. I'm confused. There are pictures of a 6945 on page 2 showing a bayonet lug. What am i missing here? Bayo lug = complete upper kit sold alone, NO bayo lug = complete rifle's In the past all Colt 10.0 & 11.5" 5.56MM weapons/uppers/barrels had a shaved bayo lug. Current information from U.S. mil. personnel is that DOD orders all 10.3" weapons/uppers/barrels with a bayo lug. DOD may be looking for better parts commonality &/or an accessory attachment point. The Colt made-for-LE 10.3" weapons/uppers/barrels may or may not have a bayo lug. The complete 10.3" Colt weapons on display at 2012 SHOT were a mix with the Colt 10.3" SCW having a full bayo lug. Additional info with some VERY nice old Colt AR-15s: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_23/360580_Colt_Commando_and_Carbines.html |
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Originally Posted By leid:
Originally Posted By LiquidG:
Originally Posted By js308:
Originally Posted By CAC01:
Originally Posted By AR-Rhino:
Hate to say it, but something is off on that SAW 6945. The barrel is cut way to close to the FSB. That looks like maybe 10.1 " versus 10.3"? You might want to pull the Flashider off and see if it is a cutdown 16" barrel. Factory barrels have a crisp 90 degree cut where the threads return/step into the barrel. Cut down barrels normally have a radiused cut. That might be why the Bayo lug is chopped in order to cut it down? Should have a bayo lug as all the Colt 10.3 MK 18's I have seen have one. And you would be wrong... The "SP" designation tells you it is a 10" barrel. NONE of the 6945/6946 (10.3 inch barrel) SBR's have a bayonet lug. Colt is doing it right. If you can't put a bayonet onit, it doesn't need a bayonet lug. I'm confused. There are pictures of a 6945 on page 2 showing a bayonet lug. What am i missing here? Bayo lug = complete upper kit sold alone, NO bayo lug = complete rifle's In the past all Colt 10.0 & 11.5" 5.56MM weapons/uppers/barrels had a shaved bayo lug. Current information from U.S. mil. personnel is that DOD orders all 10.3" weapons/uppers/barrels with a bayo lug. DOD may be looking for better parts commonality &/or an accessory attachment point. The Colt made-for-LE 10.3" weapons/uppers/barrels may or may not have a bayo lug. The complete 10.3" Colt weapons on display at 2012 SHOT were a mix with the Colt 10.3" SCW having a full bayo lug. Additional info with some VERY nice old Colt AR-15s: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_23/360580_Colt_Commando_and_Carbines.html MK 18 and CQBR barrels retain the bayonet lug because the original CQBR project consisted of cut down 14.5" M4A1 barrels. For whatever reason, Crane didn't bother cutting the bayonet lugs off - Colt was asked to produce the same barrels in a factory configuration. Crane left the bayonet lug - so Colt did as well. For a while, SAW was offering "SP" (Special Purpose) versions of Colt rifles with 10.0" barrels with shaved bayonet lugs. "CQB" variants tend to refer to those using the CQBR/MK 18 barrel in 10.3" and "usually" have bayonet lugs - however, the 694x series uppers and folding front sight are not govered by any military specification, so sometimes have their bayonet lugs shaved off. Generally speaking, Colt's policy has been "if it doesn't accept a bayonet then the bayonet lug gets removed" on commercial select fire offerings, however, some late XM177E2s also had bayonet lugs intact - though almost all of them seem to have gone to foreign sales (pictures are seen of them on Filipino XM177E2s as well as UK SAS). The 10.3" barrel is an oddity because it is not a Colt commercial offering "per se," it was developed by NSWC-Crane, and Colt has only just begun "officially offering" the 10.3" barrel length - because the military ones retain the bayonet lug, some of the commercial ones do as well, but there doesn't seem to be a clear "parameter" yet of how 10.3" barrels are to be set up. ~Augee |
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do they have a piston upper out ?
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Originally Posted By BSOG1:
do they have a piston upper out ? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Not in the 10.3" barrel, at least not yet. |
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This is my first post here!
I have to decide if I want to pursue the LE6945 or buy a pinned and welded 14.5 AR-15? Just how much trouble is it to do a gun trust and the form 1,3,4? and $200 for tax stamp and wait it out for 10 months? I could find out too. I purchase a DIY gun trust kit already. The 14.5 I was thinking about is the Noveske 14.5 Afgan or Thunder Ranch Special Edition. But I am left handed so it will cost me more and have to buy it at their subsidarie - Bedrock Industries - http://www.lefthandrifles.com. I have to wait for this too - 6-8 weeks. I had a chance to buy a Colt Commando of the same length back in 80s and just did not do it and I been thinking about it since. This is another chance so I thinking strongly about it and buy it and waiting it out! I say the auto version on Youtube and the ejector unit threw the shell casing high and far away from the shooter; so I am comfortable with having this rifle as a lefthanded user. Thanks for all the great posts on the LE6945. I like the Military Times article - Buttstock Bashfest: GearScout finds out just how far tough talk goes. Nice comparison on most if not all the collapsable stocks. |
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Originally Posted By HarryWild:
This is my first post here! I have to decide if I want to pursue the LE6945 or buy a pinned and welded 14.5 AR-15? Just how much trouble is it to do a gun trust and the form 1,3,4? and $200 for tax stamp and wait it out for 10 months? I could find out too. I purchase a DIY gun trust kit already. The 14.5 I was thinking about is the Noveske 14.5 Afgan or Thunder Ranch Special Edition. But I am left handed so it will cost me more and have to buy it at their subsidarie - Bedrock Industries - http://www.lefthandrifles.com. I have to wait for this too - 6-8 weeks. I had a chance to buy a Colt Commando of the same length back in 80s and just did not do it and I been thinking about it since. This is another chance so I thinking strongly about it and buy it and waiting it out! I say the auto version on Youtube and the ejector unit threw the shell casing high and far away from the shooter; so I am comfortable with having this rifle as a lefthanded user. Thanks for all the great posts on the LE6945. I like the Military Times article - Buttstock Bashfest: GearScout finds out just how far tough talk goes. Nice comparison on most if not all the collapsable stocks. You can't go wrong either way. The LE6945 is pretty amazing though. For your other questions, you will want to try here - http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_6/17_.html Good luck! |
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I drank a case of beer, just to watch it die!
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It is not available for purchase at this time. Hopefully one day they will make a real run of those SCW's.
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Originally Posted By Predator:
It is not available for purchase at this time. Hopefully one day they will make a real run of those SCW's. Yes please! |
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Originally Posted By RumbleTruck:
Originally Posted By Predator:
It is not available for purchase at this time. Hopefully one day they will make a real run of those SCW's. Yes please! Agree! |
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Originally Posted By HarryWild:
Originally Posted By RumbleTruck:
Originally Posted By Predator:
It is not available for purchase at this time. Hopefully one day they will make a real run of those SCW's. Yes please! Agree! They need to resurrect the MARS project, but in 4.6x30 with the SCW stock. ~Augee |
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Originally Posted By HarryWild:
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll294/shawnmt6601/colt%20signs/Colt_Sub_Compact_Weapon_SCW.jpg http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll294/shawnmt6601/colt%20signs/00-01-14-09-0053-1.jpg Does anyone know if I can get the above folding stock from Colt and that is legal to use this on a civilian model? Would the folding stock fit directly on to the LE6945 or will it be difficult to add the folding stock? It is a Colt model 0923. I think it is the military model to this civilian 6945. By the way, this is the model that I saw on Youtube. Also, how much would you think it would cost to buy this part(s) to do the conversion? Of course, I would take it to a gunsmith to do it if I can get the parts and it is legal too do. But I would think it is since I saw the HK 416 has a similar stock and it is the civilian model too that it is legal. My guess is about $300 but it just a guess. Thanks. Harry Does anyone know if there is plans to sell this rifle in the future? I am thinking of a new 6945 but I will wait if this one is on the horizon. Is this a piston gun? Is there any other reading on this one? |
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Originally Posted By justice2576:
Originally Posted By HarryWild:
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll294/shawnmt6601/colt%20signs/Colt_Sub_Compact_Weapon_SCW.jpg http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll294/shawnmt6601/colt%20signs/00-01-14-09-0053-1.jpg Does anyone know if I can get the above folding stock from Colt and that is legal to use this on a civilian model? Would the folding stock fit directly on to the LE6945 or will it be difficult to add the folding stock? It is a Colt model 0923. I think it is the military model to this civilian 6945. By the way, this is the model that I saw on Youtube. Also, how much would you think it would cost to buy this part(s) to do the conversion? Of course, I would take it to a gunsmith to do it if I can get the parts and it is legal too do. But I would think it is since I saw the HK 416 has a similar stock and it is the civilian model too that it is legal. My guess is about $300 but it just a guess. Thanks. Harry Does anyone know if there is plans to sell this rifle in the future? I am thinking of a new 6945 but I will wait if this one is on the horizon. Is this a piston gun? Is there any other reading on this one? It is not on the horizon and will most likely never make it to the civilian market. |
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Any Ohio dealers carrying the 6945's?
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Finally saw one in person at a gun show in PA. Very nice. Too bad it's too close to the holidays and money is tight. Maybe after the new year.
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Does anyone know where I can get a ck6945 upper kit? Thanks
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Originally Posted By SAR1:
Does anyone know where I can get a ck6945 upper kit? Thanks Specialized Armament. Probably wont be in stock for a while though. |
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Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.
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Could not help myself I ordered a 6945 CQB this week. I have no clue when it will come in.
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One showed up yesterday in a GS as I was purchasing a couple of lowers. Fresh from the box. It was sooo freakin' sweet, but I couldn't afford the $2500 they were asking for it.
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Any idea how long the wait is for the 6945? Fun shop said they had no idea how long it will take.
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Originally Posted By justice2576:
Any idea how long the wait is for the 6945? Fun shop said they had no idea how long it will take. If you want to pay $2500 my local shop has one in stock. |
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No thanks, mine has already been ordered just waiting for colt to send it. Anyone know if they are made in batches or is it continuous production?
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I drank a case of beer, just to watch it die!
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Looks great, sorry no sbr's.
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Originally Posted By Augee:
NT4- STAT! ~Augee Check out page 4! |
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