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Posted: 10/28/2015 2:10:10 PM EDT
Any update to RRA developing a solution for suppressing the PDS pistols?? Thanks
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Posted: 10/29/2015 9:45:11 AM EDT
[#1]
Yes.
Apparently we're going to be/are applying for a patent on the technology, and once it is accepted and the patent pending, we can move forward commercially. I don't have a time line for that part of it. Steve/RRA |
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Posted: 10/29/2015 1:56:49 PM EDT
[#2]
Thanks for the update
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Posted: 5/9/2017 11:50:06 PM EDT
[#3]
Time for an update. Any movement on the new regulator Steve?
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IL, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2017 9:30:48 AM EDT
[#4]
Have a new set of eyes and hands on it currently.
Steve/RRA |
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Posted: 5/10/2017 1:59:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: jaflowers]
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RRAMODERATOR:
Have a new set of eyes and hands on it currently. Steve/RRA |
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Posted: 5/10/2017 2:32:21 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RRAMODERATOR:
Have a new set of eyes and hands on it currently. Steve/RRA 
I'm with jaflowers...send us prototypes and we'll gladly help test them!! |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2017 3:40:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 60-Driver:
Ok so nothing new then.
I'm with jaflowers...send us prototypes and we'll gladly help test them!! Steve/RRA |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 5:04:04 AM EDT
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Dare I ask...anything new to report on the regulator?
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IL, USA
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Posted: 8/28/2017 8:50:40 AM EDT
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The consultant is supposed to be here this week. I hope that's good news.
Steve/RRA |
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Posted: 9/4/2017 6:59:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RRAMODERATOR:
The consultant is supposed to be here this week. I hope that's good news. Steve/RRA Please be sure to update this post please if there is finally some good news. Thanks. Jason |
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Posted: 9/4/2017 7:02:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: jaflowers]
[#11]
Oops, double tap.
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IL, USA
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Posted: 9/12/2017 4:45:34 PM EDT
[#12]
Looking more real daily.
Steve/RRA |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 11/2/2017 1:56:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: kfzig]
[#13]
Bump.
I'll be buying the suppressor-capable 300blk upper half and whatever I need to "fix" my existing 5.56 PDS pistol as soon as the products are available. |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 2:17:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 60-Driver]
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kfzig:
Bump. I'll be buying the suppressor-capable 300blk upper half and whatever I need to "fix" my existing 5.56 PDS pistol as soon as the products are available. Steve, any updates to share? |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 11/2/2017 3:51:58 PM EDT
[#15]
I am told that it's just around the corner...whatever that means.
I'm frustrated too. Steve/RRA |
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Posted: 12/11/2017 5:23:04 PM EDT
[#16]
Steve,
Any chance on this coming to fruition by Christmas this year???? Sure would be a nice present to those of us that have been waiting for YEARS. |
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Posted: 12/11/2017 6:13:20 PM EDT
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Funny...I forgot all about this.
+1 for updates. |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 12/12/2017 3:39:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaflowers:
Steve, Any chance on this coming to fruition by Christmas this year???? Sure would be a nice present to those of us that have been waiting for YEARS. Steve/RRA |
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Posted: 12/13/2017 2:08:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: jaflowers]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RRAMODERATOR: No. That's less than two weeks out, and even if the last issue is resolved (I was talking with the owner and lead designer about it just yesterday), we won't have product in hand in that short of a time frame. Steve/RRA |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 12/13/2017 10:29:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaflowers: No pressure, well no more than usual. Curious, what's the last hangup you're having? Also wanted to say thanks for the update. Steve/RRA |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 2/5/2018 12:56:42 PM EDT
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Bump.
Any chance at all that RRA is hooking me up with a birthday present this year? A suppressor-capable .300blk PDS pistol upper being available to purchase would be a fantastic "gift". Also having a retrofit/mod available for my existing 5.56 pistol to be able to accept a suppressor without "blowing apart" would be stupendous as well! Thanks for any news! |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 2/5/2018 5:53:38 PM EDT
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When's your birthday?
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Posted: 2/5/2018 10:09:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RRAMODERATOR:
When's your birthday? 
But I'll take an update too please. Will the retrofit gas regulator come before the 300BLK offerings or at the same time? |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 2/7/2018 11:28:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 60-Driver: Haha! I don't know why, your question struck me funny. With any luck he'll be a leap year baby, so February 29, 2020?
But I'll take an update too please. Will the retrofit gas regulator come before the 300BLK offerings or at the same time? Steve/RRA |
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Posted: 2/7/2018 12:04:15 PM EDT
[#25]
Thanks Steve.
Don't suppose you have an updated timeline you can share? |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 2/8/2018 5:31:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 60-Driver:
Thanks Steve. Don't suppose you have an updated timeline you can share? Steve |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 2/16/2018 10:22:33 PM EDT
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Thanks for the reply!
My birthday is passing, unfortunately. No B-Day present(s) for me, it seems. |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 2/19/2018 4:10:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kfzig:
Thanks for the reply! My birthday is passing, unfortunately. No B-Day present(s) for me, it seems. Steve/RRA |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 5:18:58 PM EDT
[#29]
So Steve, assuming you all do finally release a "fix" item for the PDS......is it something that you'll ship out to us older owners for free and if not do you have any rough idea of the "upgrade" items cost?? Just curious if it's tens of dollars or hundreds.
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IL, USA
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Posted: 2/20/2018 12:54:01 PM EDT
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It isn't a fix as much as a retrofit kit for existing units, and will be standard on new builds at a certain point (rather than maintain two different units in inventory).
That said, I have no idea (yet) as to what the cost of the retrofit kit wil be or what the effect will be on new PDS cost. Steve/RRA |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 3/25/2018 2:48:55 PM EDT
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Are you able to comment on whether the retrofit kit will be installable by the owner? Or is it more likely the firearm will need to be shipped to RR for installation?
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IL, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2018 9:17:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CDT:
Are you able to comment on whether the retrofit kit will be installable by the owner? Or is it more likely the firearm will need to be shipped to RR for installation? Steve/RRA |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 6/11/2018 4:25:50 PM EDT
[#33]
Bump. :-)
Requesting a three-month update. Thanks! |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 6/13/2018 9:54:51 AM EDT
[#34]
Nothing new to report that I am aware of.
Sorry. Steve/RRA |
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Posted: 6/13/2018 5:40:02 PM EDT
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I've got to say I feel pretty lucky about my purchase of this weapon. Bought it new, no box, from a range with Eotech and OTAL-C and paid $1,300. Sold the Eotech for $400 to a friend, then paid the $200 to SBR it so now I'm into the PDS and an OTAL-C for $1,100. I feel lucky compared to all the other poor bastards that paid full price for one of these and can't get the most basic support. I'd love to buy a 300 BLK upper for this as I'm committed, or should be, since I've paid the tax stamp for it but having a SBR 300 that can't be suppressed is pointless.
Three years I've been begging for a suppressor solution and I've read threads dating back to when RRA came out with the gun where the company was promising a solution soon......some of those over 7 years old. That right there is PATHETIC. It may not be the cash cow of the company but you're sure losing sales of them due to this one fact and you're not making any friends of those of us that were stupid enough to buy into the RRA BS about working the issue. |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 6/14/2018 12:58:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaflowers:
I've got to say I feel pretty lucky about my purchase of this weapon. Bought it new, no box, from a range with Eotech and OTAL-C and paid $1,300. Sold the Eotech for $400 to a friend, then paid the $200 to SBR it so now I'm into the PDS and an OTAL-C for $1,100. I feel lucky compared to all the other poor bastards that paid full price for one of these and can't get the most basic support. I'd love to buy a 300 BLK upper for this as I'm committed, or should be, since I've paid the tax stamp for it but having a SBR 300 that can't be suppressed is pointless. Three years I've been begging for a suppressor solution and I've read threads dating back to when RRA came out with the gun where the company was promising a solution soon......some of those over 7 years old. That right there is PATHETIC. It may not be the cash cow of the company but you're sure losing sales of them due to this one fact and you're not making any friends of those of us that were stupid enough to buy into the RRA BS about working the issue. We didn't design it to be suppressor friendly. It just wasn't a consideration in the original design and finding a solution that is still compatible with that original design has been significantly more difficult than anyone ever though it would be. We could have done a quickie fix almost immediately after we released the PDS to get it running on just M193 or just M855, or really just about any specific load, out of a couple cans and called it good, but that isn't the solution we were/are looking for. Sorry to disappoint you. We would love to have had one of the solutions be THE solution. None have been so far. Steve/RRA |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 7/10/2018 9:27:08 AM EDT
[#37]
It's hard to interpret what you're saying. It comes across like RRA may be throwing in the towel on pursuing this any further. Yet 3 months ago the solution was right around the corner. I'm sure we'd all like to know what the reality is on this topic. I invested another $375 into this already expensive $1400 platform (175 folding stock, 200 stamp) to build a kick-ass piston driven SBR. Nobody twisted my arm, but the optimistic messages from RRA about the eminent release of a silencer kit certainly motivated my choices. I'm sensing now that I may never be able to add a quick attach can to achieve my long anticipated ideal configuration of this system. Please help us all understand what's really going on here. Is there any work still being done on this? Is a solution ever going to be available? Or is it time to admit that the emperor isn't wearing any clothes?
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IL, USA
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Posted: 7/10/2018 12:24:48 PM EDT
[#38]
Certainly not trying to be elusive.
we really did think that we were "that close". we weren't. We're still working on it, are still including suppressor and piston designers in the process, and still making progress. Everyone agrees that what is happening shouldn't be, but physics and the real world are defying what we all say. we can go the easy route and just say that you can only use a couple of specific loads through a few specific cans, but that isn't how we want to go. We're still working on it, but all of the quick and easy fixes are well behind us. Steve/RRA |
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Posted: 7/10/2018 3:23:55 PM EDT
[#39]
Interesting that it's beating up a major corporation and the engineers so badly. Ought to talk to a gunsmith in Texas that seems to have solved your problem. I was looking around on the net for information on the 300 BLK upper and suppressors and ran across him on GunsAmerica selling fully running RRA-PDS guns that function completely suppressed and unsuppressed. HIRE that man!!!!
Neals Gun Works. I'm busy this week but plan on calling him this month to find out what he can do for this platform. |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 7/11/2018 8:51:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaflowers:
Interesting that it's beating up a major corporation and the engineers so badly. Ought to talk to a gunsmith in Texas that seems to have solved your problem. I was looking around on the net for information on the 300 BLK upper and suppressors and ran across him on GunsAmerica selling fully running RRA-PDS guns that function completely suppressed and unsuppressed. HIRE that man!!!! Neals Gun Works. I'm busy this week but plan on calling him this month to find out what he can do for this platform. Thanks. Steve/RRA |
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Posted: 7/12/2018 1:26:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 60-Driver]
[#41]
Steve,
Can you elaborate on what exact issues are occurring with getting the gas block to work? I know it's easy for folks to look at other gas piston systems that DO work with a suppressor and say "c'mon how hard can it be??" So I think a detailed explanation might help ease the frustration a lot of us are feeling. |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 7/12/2018 12:45:16 PM EDT
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Only to a limited extent.
Most suppressor/ammunition combinations increase the back pressure (please, mechanical engineers, I'm not trying to start an argument with those of you who call me hallenging that notion) in the operating system. Some more than others. Some to an extreme degree. The PDS's piston-driven operating system was not designed to accommodate the extreme increase that some can/ammo combinations generate.. It can certainly take care of some of it, which is how we have it running with some can/ammo combinations, but other combinations can cause significant damage to the PDS and/or injury to the shooter. Unfortunately, we cannot test every combination of load and can to specifically tell the operator which are totally "safe" and which are "unsafe" to use. That's why, even with some loads being "okay", we warn against using any suppressor on the PDS...the wrong combination can be dangerous to the shooter and those around him/her. We can make the PDS run on specific loads through specific cans, but that isn't fair to the consumers who have hundreds of different cans and thousands of loads available to them. We have been working on a means, short of redesigning the PDS's operating system, to be able to use it with any load, any can combination. We've had "expert" help on that effort. everyone agrees that the approach that we are taking should/will work, but so far that hasn't been the case. I won't lie. Occasionally we hit a stand still and have to walk away fromit for a while and then come back to it from a different angle or with new/different concepts of how to get where we want to be. No one is giving up on it, there just isn't always going to be progress to report. Steve/RRA |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2018 2:16:36 PM EDT
[#43]
Any new news on this topic?
I think maybe a short term solution of providing people with a list of 3 or 4 cans that are known to work safely would be better received than you expect. |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 4:25:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 60-Driver]
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CDT:
Any new news on this topic? I think maybe a short term solution of providing people with a list of 3 or 4 cans that are known to work safely would be better received than you expect. I know everyone is scared of lawsuits but how is it any different that what's being done now? RRA says "do not fire the PDS with a suppressor". If I go out and do it anyway, blow up my gun then try to sue, I'd be willing to bet I lose since RRA has sufficiently warned consumers about the dangers of doing this. Same thing goes for a published list. If you say "shooting the PDS with an SDN-6 is safe with PMC .223 but not with milsurp M855", ok cool I've been warned. I guess I don't see it being any different that what's out there now. But then again, I'm not a lawyer for RRA nor their management... |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2018 5:22:25 PM EDT
[#45]
I'll check with the decision makers on this one-the owner and our corporate counsel.
Steve |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 1/17/2019 8:23:49 AM EDT
[#46]
Steve -
Any further news on this suppressor question? Also, I would like to get clarity on whether changing out the stock A2 bird cage muzzle device with a Troy Claymore muzzle brake (linear comp) would affect the PDS reliability or safety. I would not think so, but probably worth asking. Just trying to make the PDS pistol a little more comfortable on the ears until RR can figure out a real solution with an actual suppressor. Thanks. |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 1/17/2019 6:28:39 PM EDT
[#47]
Every time I ask, I am told we're almost there...then something else rears it's ugly head and sets us back. I'm not giving up, but I am as frustrated, or maybe mores o, than you guys.
We've run PDSs with all of our brakes without issue, so I don't foresee any issues with the use of other brakes. Steve/RRA |
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Posted: 1/17/2019 7:37:57 PM EDT
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Steve, what about the 'safe to use' suppressor/ammo list? Any decision to release info on what combos do work?
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IL, USA
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Posted: 1/22/2019 1:48:41 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 60-Driver:
Steve, what about the 'safe to use' suppressor/ammo list? Any decision to release info on what combos do work? Steve/RRA |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 7/19/2019 10:51:59 AM EDT
[#50]
Well, another 6 months has passed us by...
Any progress on a solution for running the PDS suppressed? Is there any continued work being done by RRA on this, or has this become a dead horse? What about that list of "approved" suppressors and ammo that was suggested? This thread spans multiple years... Isn't about time RRA either admits there will be no solution, or provides the 70% solution (approved cans/ammo)? |
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