Posted: 1/22/2024 1:02:43 PM EDT
I have been on a multi-year search for the ideal LPVO - there are MANY scopes that get close to what I've outlined below, but none check all the boxes without missing a couple key capabilities that I view as important for fulfilling multiple roles (mil/leo, competition). From the folks I've shown this to, the feedback I've received is that they would put it on every 223/5.56 rifle they own. I'm humbly submitting this to PA knowing that A) you guys listen to customers and B) y'all are willing to innovate and try new things.  Some scopes that come close include: PA PLXc 1-8: Durability, Glass Quality, Very functional but busy reticle (ACSS Raptor), Weight. Tighter Eye Box, Not Daylight Bright (ACCS Raptor) or No wind holds/good BDC/quick height-based ranging (new PLXc Nova). Vortex Razer 1-6 Gen IIe: Durability, Glass Quality, Best Eye Box on market, Daylight Bright Dot, Uncluttered reticle. Too heavy, No wind holds or easy/quick ranging capability for height and shoulder width. Trijicon Credo 1-6 SFP Hunter 223 BDC: Good durability, Good eye Box, uncluttered reticle, good glass quality, great BDC, daylight bright dot, good weight. No wind holds or easy/quick ranging capability for height and shoulder width. Kahles, Leupold, and others all have the same mixed bag of pros and cons. Is what I've proposed not possible due to technological or manufacturing limitations? This could easily be priced in PLXc territory and I believe would sell to a very wide audience - and it wouldn't have to be a compact assuming the compact design is causing too many compromises on eye box. As long as glass is great, 1-6 is also sufficient for this caliber - it's not meant to be a bench rest scope - I'm thinking about practical accuracy. @MARSH1 @PrimaryArms |
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The daylight bright fiber red dot like the Nova or Vortex Razor requires a fiber wire reticle and does NOT work with an etched glass reticle. That is why the combination of windage dots etc and daylight bright (truly daylight bright) red dot does not exist yet. A fiber wire reticle must have every element connected, nothing free floating in the image, if that makes sense. That is why the nuclear bright dot optics (Nova, Vortex Razor and Viper Gen 2, even Trijicon Accupoints) have relatively plain crosshairs reticles with some mil dots or stadia. If they could make the optic you describe, they would. @FSAL |
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Originally Posted By Noah95: The daylight bright fiber red dot like the Nova or Vortex Razor requires a fiber wire reticle and does NOT work with an etched glass reticle. That is why the combination of windage dots etc and daylight bright (truly daylight bright) red dot does not exist yet. A fiber wire reticle must have every element connected, nothing free floating in the image, if that makes sense. That is why the nuclear bright dot optics (Nova, Vortex Razor and Viper Gen 2, even Trijicon Accupoints) have relatively plain crosshairs reticles with some mil dots or stadia. If they could make the optic you describe, they would. @FSAL You can have both. Most people just don’t want to pay for both.. The March DR-TR1 reticle has a fiber red-dot German #4-ish style SFP reticle overlaid onto a tree-style FFP reticle. At 1X the fine tree features shrink and disappear leaving you with just a red-dot reticle and at 10X you can use the FFP tree reticle. They also offer it with a more plain mil-hash etched reticle in the FFP without the tree.    March Scope 1-10x24 Shorty Dual reticle does it all : Best of both FFP and SFP reticles in One LPVO |
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Originally Posted By Noah95: The daylight bright fiber red dot like the Nova or Vortex Razor requires a fiber wire reticle and does NOT work with an etched glass reticle. That is why the combination of windage dots etc and daylight bright (truly daylight bright) red dot does not exist yet. A fiber wire reticle must have every element connected, nothing free floating in the image, if that makes sense. That is why the nuclear bright dot optics (Nova, Vortex Razor and Viper Gen 2, even Trijicon Accupoints) have relatively plain crosshairs reticles with some mil dots or stadia. If they could make the optic you describe, they would. @FSAL If you aren't trying to illuminate the entire reticle then this is false. Vortex has already done it (ebr-7f) Attached File |
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Originally Posted By hoody2shoez: If you aren't trying to illuminate the entire reticle then this is false. Vortex has already done it (ebr-7f) https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/470854/IMG_20231211_234208_530_jpg-3207194.JPG Originally Posted By hoody2shoez: Originally Posted By Noah95: The daylight bright fiber red dot like the Nova or Vortex Razor requires a fiber wire reticle and does NOT work with an etched glass reticle. That is why the combination of windage dots etc and daylight bright (truly daylight bright) red dot does not exist yet. A fiber wire reticle must have every element connected, nothing free floating in the image, if that makes sense. That is why the nuclear bright dot optics (Nova, Vortex Razor and Viper Gen 2, even Trijicon Accupoints) have relatively plain crosshairs reticles with some mil dots or stadia. If they could make the optic you describe, they would. @FSAL If you aren't trying to illuminate the entire reticle then this is false. Vortex has already done it (ebr-7f) https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/470854/IMG_20231211_234208_530_jpg-3207194.JPG Wish vortex would sell that reticle on the general market. |