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Originally Posted By Shawnmt6601:
Originally Posted By Predator:
Originally Posted By malinkikozaki:
How is the barrel attached to the .308 upper receiver? With a barrel nut. I'm not sure if that answers your question? I THINK he means is it a different way??/ or a new system?? Yeah, that's what I meant. Yeah, that answers my question. Thanks. |
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"Just like every serial killer already knows, eventually fantasy does not do it for you anymore"
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First post. Been lurking for a bit.
Here's some pic's I didn't see anywhere else of the mag adapter and the magwell. With adapter installed: Sans adapter: More pictures and originally found HERE Also, it seems that there may be an LE version. Searches using "LE901" bring up more information than just the CM or SP variants. In addition, Knesek Guns and NWA Tactical, which I think is a sub-company of Knesek, has the LE901 listed on their website. I emailed them and they haven't received any yet but are "expecting them any day now." |
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So where is this thing?
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I'm kinda interested in the new anodizing process too.
I want me a 6940 in MultiCam! |
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I'm going to predict that this thing doesn't get much traction.
A one-size-fits-all attempt at answering a question nobody is asking. You can already get .308 AR lowers from a variety of makers, for reasonable $$$. Most of the AR crowd with $$$ to burn already has one or ten AR's in .223 caliber. Why would anybody want to take their .223 upper off the .223 lower, just so they could mount it on a a bukier adapter-equipped .308 lower? The military is not going to contract for this. If Colt wants to sell .308 AR's, they need to get their price in line with DPMS, and all the others. This expensive "solution" is a decade too late. The multitude of "in-the-anodizing" camo patterns don't much interest me. I will say I do like the 6940-type "monolithic" upper receiver and handguard arrangement on a .308 gun. Ambidextrous controls on the Colt are nice, but I'm not going to pay big $$$ premium for that. Get this gun (or something similar) down to 6940 prices, and people will buy. |
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I think your wrong WEG.
I see where your coming from and I'm sure your wrong. Yes, there are many makers of 308 ARs. Some are cheap, some are expensive. However if LMT, Larue, KAC, etc can sell high prices 308s, there is most certainly a market for them. Colt need not make it as cheap as DPMS to be successful. However if Colt keeps the prices down, it certainly wouldn't hurt. The military has already expressed interest in a 308/556 rifle. They want this capability in the SCAR. Now that the Big Army is looking for a new Carbine that isnt the SCAR, Colt is now offering an option that retains all the good features of the M4, with a little more modularity. We know that some military end users have already tried and tested the 901. However we don't know if they like it or not. As for the colors? After thinking about it I think I will stick with Black too. However there are plenty of people out there who want rifles in other colors. LWRC, Remington & Spikes have both offered receivers in other colors and they sell. Hopefully Colt will offer a variety of options in that regard. |
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LMT is a company with lousy QC. Buy from a company that cares about its products, like Bravo Company or LaRue.
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Why would anybody want to take their .223 upper off the .223 lower, just so they could mount it on a a bukier adapter-equipped .308 lower
I think your missing the point here (unless I am?) but on this model weapon you do not switch uppers. From what I have read and understand all you switch is the barrell and bolt (and mag well adaptor) so the cost to switch from .308 to .223 to other hopefully future calbers is a minimal set of parts and costs. It is this that makes this unique. Now i have read allot over the last 6 months pertaining to this weapon so if I am misunderstanding something please feel free to correct me. ETA. I stand corrected I was the one missing something, you do need to switch the upper. Opps to many stories rolling around in my head, sorry! |
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Originally Posted By gsxrmike:
I stand corrected I was the one missing something, you do need to switch the upper. Opps to many stories rolling around in my head, sorry! You're not as far off the mark as you feared. Every time somebody brings up the subject of Colt's monolithic uppers, it takes only a few minutes for some OCD Tactical Tommy to start howling about how the design is flawed because the monolithic upper requires a different (and often yet unavailable) barrel wrench to use for replacing the barrel after Tommy "shoots it out." The bizarre complaint is so pervasive that one might need to pay especially close attention to know that barrel-replacement (JUST the barrel) is a very rare event among 99% of users. |
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Originally Posted By W_E_G:
I'm going to predict that this thing doesn't get much traction. A one-size-fits-all attempt at answering a question nobody is asking. You can already get .308 AR lowers from a variety of makers, for reasonable $$$. Most of the AR crowd with $$$ to burn already has one or ten AR's in .223 caliber. Why would anybody want to take their .223 upper off the .223 lower, just so they could mount it on a a bukier adapter-equipped .308 lower? The military is not going to contract for this. If Colt wants to sell .308 AR's, they need to get their price in line with DPMS, and all the others. This expensive "solution" is a decade too late. The multitude of "in-the-anodizing" camo patterns don't much interest me. I will say I do like the 6940-type "monolithic" upper receiver and handguard arrangement on a .308 gun. Ambidextrous controls on the Colt are nice, but I'm not going to pay big $$$ premium for that. Get this gun (or something similar) down to 6940 prices, and people will buy. How much does a stripped monolithic upper from Mega cost? $672. What is the anticipated cost of a complete monolithic rifle from COLT? $1200 - $1500. You think these won’t sell? Good, more for me. |
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Originally Posted By W_E_G:
I'm going to predict that this thing doesn't get much traction. A one-size-fits-all attempt at answering a question nobody is asking. You can already get .308 AR lowers from a variety of makers, for reasonable $$$. Most of the AR crowd with $$$ to burn already has one or ten AR's in .223 caliber. Why would anybody want to take their .223 upper off the .223 lower, just so they could mount it on a a bukier adapter-equipped .308 lower? The military is not going to contract for this. If Colt wants to sell .308 AR's, they need to get their price in line with DPMS, and all the others. This expensive "solution" is a decade too late. The multitude of "in-the-anodizing" camo patterns don't much interest me. I will say I do like the 6940-type "monolithic" upper receiver and handguard arrangement on a .308 gun. Ambidextrous controls on the Colt are nice, but I'm not going to pay big $$$ premium for that. Get this gun (or something similar) down to 6940 prices, and people will buy. The Army uses the M110 SASS, or Semi Automatic Sniper System. It's an 7.65x51 AR-10 based rifle built by KAC that has been modified to use more AR-15 parts for increased parts commonality. Apparently while the snipers like the rifle, they want a smaller, lighter rifle that doesn't have the function problems of the current M110. The Army also has a request out for a replacement or modification for the rifle. Colt's rifle shoots the same round, has a shorter barrel, and weighs the Army recommended sub 9 pounds, unloaded. Knowing Colt's working relationship with the U.S. military, it's not a hard stretch of the imagination by any means to see Colt try to fill that spot. Add in the modularity of the 901 and it gives the operators, or at least single units, a wide array of options to suit different situations. It could also lead to the Army purchasing a set amount of the lowers, and then purchasing uppers as needed based on mission requirements. The government is all about slimming down it's parts and equipment catalog. In the civilian market, the upper swap ability will be a boon for those who can't afford to buy a complete and different rifle when they want to swap calibers or barrel lengths. Buying an upper is cheaper and easier to do than a complete rifle. Colt may not sell more rifles, but they may end up selling more uppers and other parts which could make up the difference and possibly more. As long as the rifle is priced right, there will definitely be a market for it. |
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Originally Posted By 245PDG:
What is the anticipated cost of a complete monolithic rifle from COLT? $1200 - $1500. You think these won’t sell? Good, more for me. You find one of the Colt's for sale in that price range, I say jump on it. ...but don't hold your breath. Remember too, the folks touting the "modular" aspect of this gun will, in addition to buying/carrying a .223 upper, will also need to buy/carry the extra bolt/carrier assembly, charging handle, and probably buffer and spring. Just who IS this hypothetical civilian buyer who can afford a $2000 rifle, plus magazines, and can afford ($600+?) alternate-caliber upper, plus associated parts, magazines, and ammo, but who somehow cannot afford the extra $300-ish for a lower? |
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The added modularity of this rifle is not going to be detrimental to sales. Since when do MORE options suddenly make something less attractive, particularly when the vast majority of other .308 AR manufacturers are having no trouble selling their rifles for more than $2K+? No, I think civies are more interested in this rifle for the caliber, and the horsey; adding the .556 capability is just icing.
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Originally Posted By BB:
The added modularity of this rifle is not going to be detrimental to sales. Since when do MORE options suddenly make something less attractive, particularly when the vast majority of other .308 AR manufacturers are having no trouble selling their rifles for more than $2K+? No, I think civies are more interested in this rifle for the caliber, and the horsey; adding the .556 capability is just icing. I agree with what BB posted. I could care less if I ever swap out one of my 5.56 uppers, I would just like to see Colt produce a 308. I think the ability to swap calibers is just an added bonus. Since the majority of people that will purchase this weapon probably already own a rifle or upper in 5.56, 6.8 or even 22, there is no additional cost involved. Logistically it would also be a lot easier to transport one lower and multiple uppers when going to the range. I think everyone would agree that when you put two or three guys with multiple weapons in a vehicle it gets overloaded fairly quickly. As far as price goes, I say if it comes in at under $2500 MSRP it will be in line with LMT, LWRC and KAC. |
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Originally Posted By W_E_G:
Originally Posted By 245PDG:
What is the anticipated cost of a complete monolithic rifle from COLT? $1200 - $1500. You think these won’t sell? Good, more for me. You find one of the Colt's for sale in that price range, I say jump on it. ...but don't hold your breath. Remember too, the folks touting the "modular" aspect of this gun will, in addition to buying/carrying a .223 upper, will also need to buy/carry the extra bolt/carrier assembly, charging handle, and probably buffer and spring. Just who IS this hypothetical civilian buyer who can afford a $2000 rifle, plus magazines, and can afford ($600+?) alternate-caliber upper, plus associated parts, magazines, and ammo, but who somehow cannot afford the extra $300-ish for a lower? I would agree with you that Colt has screwed themselves if it retails for more than $1500. The modular aspect is mostly intended for military, however I can think of a few very good reasons for civilians to want it. First would be a single SBR lower capable of accepting any upper – that is not another $300 for additional lowers. Second, like bondster, I can’t think of another 308 platform that can shoot .22LR. |
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Originally Posted By 245PDG:
Second, like bondster, I can’t think of another 308 platform that can shoot .22LR. The G3/HK91 can. |
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Originally Posted By bondster:
if it comes in at under $2500 MSRP it will be in line with LMT, LWRC and KAC. I guess that's a good thing. You can get a DPMS LR-308T for less than half that. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=243128576 One Rock River trigger later, and its shooting as good as I need that sort of gun to shoot. 100 yards |
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Originally Posted By BB:
Originally Posted By 245PDG:
Second, like bondster, I can’t think of another 308 platform that can shoot .22LR. The G3/HK91 can. I stand corrected. Are there any other AR platforms that take PMags and also can shoot .22? |
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Originally Posted By W_E_G:
Originally Posted By bondster:
if it comes in at under $2500 MSRP it will be in line with LMT, LWRC and KAC. I guess that's a good thing. You can get a DPMS LR-308T for less than half that. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=243128576 One Rock River trigger later, and its shooting as good as I need that sort of gun to shoot. 100 yards http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/targets/2008-08-18%20-%20DPMS/M852smaller.jpg http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/rifle%20pics/DPMS/DSCN4982.jpg There is nothing wrong with DPMS/Bushmaster. You could just buy a Rock River LAR-8 for under $1K. But you can’t seriously put them in the same category as KAC & LMT. |
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WEG are you here for discussion or for trolling?
DPMS make a cheap gun, that often rather accurate. They make them cheap by using different aluminum alloys(hence why they make a thicker extruded receiver). Their 308 carbines are undersprung and can self destruct under heavy use. You get non-chrome lined barrels. For a plinking or hunting rifle that will not receive heavy use, its a great choice. However if you want a heavy duty rifle, do you want one from a company that cut every corner it could get away with? Your arguing that a rifle built for combat should be the same price as one built to be as cheap as possible. It is like trying to say that a Military Humvee should cost as much as a Ford Fiesta. That that DPMS in your example, add a quality free float quad rail, collapsing stock, forged upper and lower, chrome barrel, flip up iron sights, and little things like HPT/MPI testing and lifetime warranty. Your DPMS example would not be so cheap. To even get the standard DPMS .308 with a collapsible stock and their quad rail runs about $1500. Another point, while not everyone need ambi controls, have you prices them out? An ambi mag catch like the Norgon runs $90 dollars for it self. We have no idea what price the 901 will be sold at. Only once we know the price we can argue whether its a good deal or not. |
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LMT is a company with lousy QC. Buy from a company that cares about its products, like Bravo Company or LaRue.
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I see.
If I disagree or critique, I'm trolling. That's pretty lame. |
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Originally Posted By W_E_G:
I see. If I disagree or critique, I'm trolling. That's pretty lame. no but saying anything more then the price of a DPMS is not going to sell sure seems like trolling and is just dumb as hell you come in here and said no one would want it so it wont sell. yet so far you are the only guy in the thread saying it wont sell. An you have no friggin clue what the price of the gun is I would venture to say you are out of touch about the kinda guys buying high end 308 BATTLE RIFLES and what they are using them for, and it aint shootin little groups off a bench just to feel good, that DPMS may work great for what you want and use it for, but it would not come close for what I want to use a 308 AR15 for go take a look at what the guys in the kAC forum are using their EMC for and how much they cost if you want to discuss the 901 features and etc like you have been thats one thing. but starting the "whoa is me, i am differnt so I am being picked on" shit is boring, this thread isnt for guys to pop up and tell us all how the 901 will not sell and is useless. this is the colt forum and its a pretty good bet almost all of us in here will get one of them. its pretty lame to come into a forum just for guys to talk about their favorite brand and then try to rag on it real subtle like. and to top that off, this is a tech thread anyway, not a critique thread. and its not the place for it. if you want to bitch about what you see as bad things, please start as many thread as you want all over arfcom but try to keep more tech in here if you dont mind. |
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Originally Posted By W_E_G:
I see. If I disagree or critique, I'm trolling. That's pretty lame. W_E_G I guess the question is what exactly do you disagree with? I agree with you that the DPMS/Remington R25 is very good for what it is, but surely you’re not making the argument that it is on par with the LMT, LWRC or KAC, which I’m sure the Colt will be. As far as you’re statement of “A one-size-fits-all attempt at answering a question nobody is asking”, Is that not how the SCAR program got started? I also agree with you that it is very unlikely that the military will adopt the Colt platform, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't have a market. To be more specific I think that this system would be the ideal “Patrol Rifle” with Law Enforcement. I just completed a week long hike in Yellowstone and the surrounding National forest, and I can say that if I had to police that area, I would want to carry a 308 rifle. When I returned home, I attended a week long in-service for active shooters, and in this situation I would prefer a 5.56 rifle. Since most departments operate on limited budgets I think that a multiple caliber platform that allows the officer to adjust the weapon to the situation would be just the answer for an issue patrol rifle. Regardless if the military or Law Enforcement adopt this system, I would really like to see it happen, and I'm sure that there are many others that feel the same way, so there is going to be a market. |
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I want one for a few reasons:
1) I don't have a 308 AR platform yet (waiting for this one) 2) EMCs are waaaay too expensive 3) I like the monolithic upper and ambi lower 4) I plan on SBRing that lower 5) I think for a SHTF rifle, being able to have a 308 upper set up for 5-800m work or hunting is awesome while having a shorty 12.5" 5.56 upper in the ruck for close work is great. This also allows you to use whichever of the two rounds you are able to acquire the most of. Daniel |
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Originally Posted By taylor7401:
I want one for a few reasons: 1) I don't have a 308 AR platform yet (waiting for this one) 2) EMCs are waaaay too expensive 3) I like the monolithic upper and ambi lower 4) I plan on SBRing that lower 5) I think for a SHTF rifle, being able to have a 308 upper set up for 5-800m work or hunting is awesome while having a shorty 12.5" 5.56 upper in the ruck for close work is great. This also allows you to use whichever of the two rounds you are able to acquire the most of. Daniel The key in this post is "SBR". This gun will have a factory SBR that can shoot 5.56x45mm and 7.62x51mm. What other gun can do that??? None... |
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Originally Posted By Predator:
Originally Posted By taylor7401:
I want one for a few reasons: 1) I don't have a 308 AR platform yet (waiting for this one) 2) EMCs are waaaay too expensive 3) I like the monolithic upper and ambi lower 4) I plan on SBRing that lower 5) I think for a SHTF rifle, being able to have a 308 upper set up for 5-800m work or hunting is awesome while having a shorty 12.5" 5.56 upper in the ruck for close work is great. This also allows you to use whichever of the two rounds you are able to acquire the most of. Daniel The key in this post is "SBR". This gun will have a factory SBR that can shoot 5.56x45mm and 7.62x51mm. What other gun can do that??? None... exactly. the SBR has a lot of appeal to me, ever since i saw that 13.5 inch 308 cm901 upper |
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Originally Posted By Shawnmt6601:
exactly. the SBR has a lot of appeal to me, ever since i saw that 13.5 inch 308 cm901 upper +1 If they offer a factory SBR with the 13" upper, I will buy one. CM901 13" from YouTube -Randy |
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I'm a fan of the 901, but the U.S. Armed Forces are never going to issue this thing with two uppers. No one is going to hump an extra upper and ammo in the field. It'll be nice for units to have an option to switch between calibers though.
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Originally Posted By an_hero: I'm a fan of the 901, but the U.S. Armed Forces are never going to issue this thing with two uppers. No one is going to hump an extra upper and ammo in the field. It'll be nice for units to have an option to switch between calibers though. Who said they are going to issue this thing with two uppers? Why would someone carry two uppers and two sets of ammo?! |
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O_o $1,752....... i will pass
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Originally Posted By jeepthing07:
O_o $1,752....... i will pass You must not be interested in a .308 AR. $1800 for a colt quality .308 AR is a HUGE value. Consider other modern .308 fighting ARs: $5K SR-25 EMC $3.5 LWRC REPR $3K LT OBR-H $2.8K SCAR-H $2.5K LT PredatAR-H $2.3K LMT MWS So $1800 for a hard use .308 is an incredible deal. Heck, even the DPMS SASS is $2K, and I wouldn't put DPMS quality in the same ballpark as any of the other rifles I've listed. |
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Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Originally Posted By jeepthing07:
O_o $1,752....... i will pass You must not be interested in a .308 AR. $1800 for a colt quality .308 AR is a HUGE value. Consider other modern .308 fighting ARs: $5K SR-25 EMC $3.5 LWRC REPR $3K LT OBR-H $2.8K SCAR-H $2.5K LT PredatAR-H $2.3K LMT MWS So $1800 for a hard use .308 is an incredible deal. Heck, even the DPMS SASS is $2K, and I wouldn't put DPMS quality in the same ballpark as any of the other rifles I've listed. from the post above it looks like 1800 is dealer price. but at 2200 msrp it is still cheaper then most ars in 308. i would like to get an ar in 308 but was hopeing it would come in a little cheaper. i guess i will have to wait and see where prices drop to. i am sure they will be going for some crazy amount when they first hit the street. |
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Originally Posted By rgb03:
Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Originally Posted By jeepthing07:
O_o $1,752....... i will pass You must not be interested in a .308 AR. $1800 for a colt quality .308 AR is a HUGE value. Consider other modern .308 fighting ARs: $5K SR-25 EMC $3.5 LWRC REPR $3K LT OBR-H $2.8K SCAR-H $2.5K LT PredatAR-H $2.3K LMT MWS So $1800 for a hard use .308 is an incredible deal. Heck, even the DPMS SASS is $2K, and I wouldn't put DPMS quality in the same ballpark as any of the other rifles I've listed. from the post above it looks like 1800 is dealer price. but at 2200 msrp it is still cheaper then most ars in 308. i would like to get an ar in 308 but was hopeing it would come in a little cheaper. i guess i will have to wait and see where prices drop to. i am sure they will be going for some crazy amount when they first hit the street. Yes the $1752 is dealer cost from this distro. |
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Originally Posted By eringobragh:
Originally Posted By rgb03:
Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Originally Posted By jeepthing07:
O_o $1,752....... i will pass You must not be interested in a .308 AR. $1800 for a colt quality .308 AR is a HUGE value. Consider other modern .308 fighting ARs: $5K SR-25 EMC $3.5 LWRC REPR $3K LT OBR-H $2.8K SCAR-H $2.5K LT PredatAR-H $2.3K LMT MWS So $1800 for a hard use .308 is an incredible deal. Heck, even the DPMS SASS is $2K, and I wouldn't put DPMS quality in the same ballpark as any of the other rifles I've listed. from the post above it looks like 1800 is dealer price. but at 2200 msrp it is still cheaper then most ars in 308. i would like to get an ar in 308 but was hopeing it would come in a little cheaper. i guess i will have to wait and see where prices drop to. i am sure they will be going for some crazy amount when they first hit the street. Yes the $1752 is dealer cost from this distro. Didn't see it was a distributor website. However, even with a $2200 MSRP my point still stands. |
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How many months in advance of release does this distributor typically list rifles?
I mean I'm hoping it's a good sign that if they at least have Dealer Price and MSRP out there then things would seem to me to be close to actual release. Let's get this puppy out there on the market already. |
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Originally Posted By SilentType:
How many months in advance of release does this distributor typically list rifles? I mean I'm hoping it's a good sign that if they at least have Dealer Price and MSRP out there then things would seem to me to be close to actual release. Let's get this puppy out there on the market already. I asked my rep with this distro on Friday when he expected these. He had no clue other than stating that they have 500 on order with Colt. |
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Originally Posted By eringobragh:
Originally Posted By SilentType:
How many months in advance of release does this distributor typically list rifles? I mean I'm hoping it's a good sign that if they at least have Dealer Price and MSRP out there then things would seem to me to be close to actual release. Let's get this puppy out there on the market already. I asked my rep with this distro on Friday when he expected these. He had no clue other than stating that they have 500 on order with Colt. The good news is that an order of quantity 500 means it is going to happen. Most likely... |
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Man this looks cool I still think Armalite is hard to beat for the price.
Are all of the uppers monolithic? |
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Originally Posted By N1150x:
Man this looks cool I still think Armalite is hard to beat for the price. Are all of the uppers monolithic? Yes, they are monolithic. |
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There's really something sexy about that tan anodized rifle. Whats crazy, is I believe on M4C Kevin B from KAC it was lighterthan the SR25 and softer shooting than the OBR. I'd put up the quote, but M4C is down right now.
ETA: Found it: "The Mil guns (the CM901) are select fire –– they also take a drop on 5.56mm, 6.8 etc uppers so the logic I have gathered is a common receiver. FN did this as well with the SCAR –– and if I was a betting man I would hazard a guess that the JORD for the ICC has something about this alluded too. The gun is a lite lite gun, I shot it last week in Bragg, recoil was more than our SR-25 EMC but we where probably 2 lbs heavier, but the Colt recoiled less than the OBR which is probably 3 lbs heavier. Unlike pretty much every other 7.62mm gun, the action/recoil spring was not very stout and it was charged like a 5.56mm gun. SO they managed something neat in the operating system. From this thread *link left cold*, I dont think we're supposed to link to the site, but the sourced thread is relevant to the topic at hand http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=66792 |
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http://www.knesekguns.com/commercial/Rifles-Colt/c2_8/p2269/Colt-LE901-Multi-Cal-Weapon-System/product_info.html
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the accuracy specs at the bottom are very interesting
Caliber: 7.62x51 / 5.56x45 Dry Weight: 9.4lbs/7.5lbs Extended Length: 37.5"/ 35.25" Collapsed Length: 34.25" / 32" Barrel Length: 16" / 14.5" Barrel Type: Forged, HB / Broached, HB Bore: Chromed, 4 grooves, 1-12" twist, RH / Chromed, 6 Grooves, 1-7" twist, RH Method of Operation: Gas, Direct System, Locking Bolt / Gas, Direct System, Locking Bolt Ambidextrous: Yes Muzzle Velocity: 2770 fps / 2785fps Effective Range: 700m / 500m Front Sight: Adjustable Folding Front Cyclic Rate of Fire: 700-950rpm Fire Control: Safe-Semi Upper Receiver: Flat Top, Monolithic Upper Receiver Safe Maximum Operating Chamber Pressure: 70,000psi / 66,000psi Accuracy Specification with M118: Sub 2 MOA / Sub 4 MOA Accuracy Specification with 118LR: Sub 1 MOA / Sub 1.5 MOA |
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"Just like every serial killer already knows, eventually fantasy does not do it for you anymore"
I have to return some video tapes. shikata ga nai |
I drank a case of beer, just to watch it die!
OR, USA
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That page on Knesek has been there for months. In fact I think I posted it earlier in this very thread.
And I wouldn't believe those accuracy numbers for anything. In fact I have no idea where they even came from... |
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week." -George S. Patton
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1 MOA is well withing a typical M4 barrel so I see no reason why it isnt possible with M118LR in a colt 30. cal barrel
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"Just like every serial killer already knows, eventually fantasy does not do it for you anymore"
I have to return some video tapes. shikata ga nai |
I think this will be the first Colt I will own. I'm nobody's fanboy, and I'm not a Colt basher, but I have never really had the desire to own a Colt. But this rifle looks like it will be a must have for me.
And the MSRP seems a little high, but if the street price gets to be around $2k its not that bad, considering other guns in this category. I really hope this ends up being a big hit for Colt. Its really cool to see them bring something like this to the market. |
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Any known illness? She has Bar-stain Syndrome
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If I can find one for 2k I'll be buying it!
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Any word if a barrel longer than 16" will be available?
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Anyone have any ideas on what the parts commonality will be with other AR rifles?
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