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Why does everyone give a shit if people end up selling them on the EE? Never seen such a bunch of anti capitalist shit on a gun site.
I'm not on the ToT list, picking one up on the EE is likely the route I would have to go to get one. I recently bought a 12" stealth barrel off there that someone had bought during the ToT sale, priced well under where I could have gotten one for a LaRue but higher than the sale. I think Mark putting limits on there is a good idea, from his own business standpoint it makes a lot of sense to do so. When things are on sale, or when people know they will be available at a sale price, they tend to wait for that price and the secondary market values decrease significantly as well. Requiring people to buy at least one will guarantee there are some that will end up on the EE, just because people will buy it to stay on the list even if they aren't interested. Allowing more will likely put more onto the EE but the more on the EE the lower the profits for flippers will be, the lower the profits the less people interested in flipping. The joys of free market capitalism. Bottom line is sales like this are great for the consumer, and will definately help to get the word out there by word of mouth. They are also pretty detrimental to the secondary market value of these parts when it is well known that sales will be coming. It'll be interesting watching how this all plays out, I think it's great from a consumer standpoint, but I would completely understand if Mark stopped with them sooner than later. Obviously this is just one man's opinion, and no more valid than all the other ones complaining about people on the EE. I also tend to buy a lot of things from LaRue because (imo) they are the best, and I know if I sell it I won't lose much money if any. I buy and sell a lot of AR parts because I like to try different setups and I keep the ones I like most so resale is very important to me. |
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Originally Posted By APPARITION:
Link to GD thread on this, I'd like one also. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By APPARITION:
Originally Posted By Mike_P:
And finally, in planning for the daughters rifle, any pink trigger update (From the GD thread), pretty please? Haven't heard a peep about that and we need to know where to go with her rifle. Link to GD thread on this, I'd like one also. I think it was nuked, not positive though. It was supposedly a one off testing thing that came up for now but I haven't heard any follow ups on it, so don't hold your breath. I'll more than likely just order a trigger and cerakote it myself to get her going. Just need to order some pink. |
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Originally Posted By BS68280:
Why does everyone give a shit if people end up selling them on the EE? Never seen such a bunch of anti capitalist shit on a gun site. snipped.... View Quote Because Mark is more likely to cancel future offerings if all he sees is a shit ton of these offerings showing up for sale. He is doing this as a great benefit to members here when he could be charging full retail price, thus he is not doing this to maximize his capital. If he doesn't continue to see the perceived value by offering loyal customers great products at a great price, and instead sees that middle men are making profit off his ideas, then it is a negative for him and will stop. There is nothing anti capitalistic for the members of the buildAR list to want it to continue. |
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Originally Posted By BS68280:
Why does everyone give a shit if people end up selling them on the EE? Never seen such a bunch of anti capitalist shit on a gun site. I'm not on the ToT list, picking one up on the EE is likely the route I would have to go to get one. I recently bought a 12" stealth barrel off there that someone had bought during the ToT sale, priced well under where I could have gotten one for a LaRue but higher than the sale. I think Mark putting limits on there is a good idea, from his own business standpoint it makes a lot of sense to do so. When things are on sale, or when people know they will be available at a sale price, they tend to wait for that price and the secondary market values decrease significantly as well. Requiring people to buy at least one will guarantee there are some that will end up on the EE, just because people will buy it to stay on the list even if they aren't interested. Allowing more will likely put more onto the EE but the more on the EE the lower the profits for flippers will be, the lower the profits the less people interested in flipping. The joys of free market capitalism. Bottom line is sales like this are great for the consumer, and will definately help to get the word out there by word of mouth. They are also pretty detrimental to the secondary market value of these parts when it is well known that sales will be coming. It'll be interesting watching how this all plays out, I think it's great from a consumer standpoint, but I would completely understand if Mark stopped with them sooner than later. Obviously this is just one man's opinion, and no more valid than all the other ones complaining about people on the EE. I also tend to buy a lot of things from LaRue because (imo) they are the best, and I know if I sell it I won't lose much money if any. I buy and sell a lot of AR parts because I like to try different setups and I keep the ones I like most so resale is very important to me. View Quote Your opinion is very valid, as is everyone's. My reasoning for supporting the limit of 2 is that this BuildAR list is exactly that. A list for the people that BUILD rifles with LT parts. It was open to everyone who wanted to participate, but now entry is over. If someone missed the boat, it's unfortunate but that's life. We don't know if those on the list are really going to be privy to items before their release or not, or if it's just a small price break. The Stealth 2.0 could very well hit the site the day after the BuildARs have a chance to order. My point being, the list in theory was for those who intend to use the parts (And thus are dubbed BuildARs), not just to resell, although granted it's a free market anyone can do so. In my opinion, it would simply be nice to see the parts used in a manner that the program was designed. The more you introduce to the market, the higher the number you see being resold and not used by the BuildARs. Mr. LaRue may see them all for sale and cancel the program, or he may not, we don't know. |
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Are matched charging handles going to be included or available with the uppers? Thanks Wes |
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Originally Posted By Wangstang:
Mark, Are matched charging handles going to be included or available with the uppers? Thanks Wes View Quote Well since we are all asking questions and this is the BuildAR thread. What about a drop down for BCG's? Or maybe even just the bolt again like when you released the barrels first? That would really complete the kit I think. |
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Originally Posted By EricRF:
Because Mark is more likely to cancel future offerings if all he sees is a shit ton of these offerings showing up for sale. He is doing this as a great benefit to members here when he could be charging full retail price, thus he is not doing this to maximize his capital. If he doesn't continue to see the perceived value by offering loyal customers great products at a great price, and instead sees that middle men are making profit off his ideas, then it is a negative for him and will stop. There is nothing anti capitalistic for the members of the buildAR list to want it to continue. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By EricRF:
Originally Posted By BS68280:
Why does everyone give a shit if people end up selling them on the EE? Never seen such a bunch of anti capitalist shit on a gun site. snipped.... Because Mark is more likely to cancel future offerings if all he sees is a shit ton of these offerings showing up for sale. He is doing this as a great benefit to members here when he could be charging full retail price, thus he is not doing this to maximize his capital. If he doesn't continue to see the perceived value by offering loyal customers great products at a great price, and instead sees that middle men are making profit off his ideas, then it is a negative for him and will stop. There is nothing anti capitalistic for the members of the buildAR list to want it to continue. I'm guessing you're on the list. Basically you don't want them to show up on EE because then you might not get the deal anymore? The fact that he is doing the sale at all is really lucky for you guys, I can totally empathize with not wanting it to end. Mark is a great dude, and it's really cool that he does stuff like this at all for his customers, especially when half of them will be pissed off no matter what. Just like I said, it's my opinion, your opinion is just as great. No matter what, it ends up probably upsetting one party I don't envy that man for having to try to keep his customer base happy. For every person that is thrilled they are on the list because they spent $400 there is probably someone upset they aren't on the list because they decided to buy a rifle from him instead of making their own with the parts. I think the list is cool, understand why people on it would want it to keep going. I can't wait to start seeing some builds people put together with all this. They will be tack drivers I'm sure |
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Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Thinking about setting it at a qty of 3. Thoughts ? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By Accountable1:
Will we have to option to purchase 2 stealth 2.0 uppers or is it one per person? Thinking about setting it at a qty of 3. Thoughts ? Sounds reasonable. |
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Originally Posted By LoDie:
Well since we are all asking questions and this is the BuildAR thread. What about a drop down for BCG's? Or maybe even just the bolt again like when you released the barrels first? That would really complete the kit I think. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By LoDie:
Originally Posted By Wangstang:
Mark, Are matched charging handles going to be included or available with the uppers? Thanks Wes Well since we are all asking questions and this is the BuildAR thread. What about a drop down for BCG's? Or maybe even just the bolt again like when you released the barrels first? That would really complete the kit I think. It's in the can, IT guys started their afternoon drinking so we gotta go with what we got. |
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Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
It's in the can, IT guys started their afternoon drinking so we gotta go with what we got. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By LoDie:
Originally Posted By Wangstang:
Mark, Are matched charging handles going to be included or available with the uppers? Thanks Wes Well since we are all asking questions and this is the BuildAR thread. What about a drop down for BCG's? Or maybe even just the bolt again like when you released the barrels first? That would really complete the kit I think. It's in the can, IT guys started their afternoon drinking so we gotta go with what we got. We gotta leave something to desire next quarter and beyond, anyway. |
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Originally Posted By BS68280:
I'm guessing you're on the list. Basically you don't want them to show up on EE because then you might not get the deal anymore? The fact that he is doing the sale at all is really lucky for you guys, I can totally empathize with not wanting it to end. Mark is a great dude, and it's really cool that he does stuff like this at all for his customers, especially when half of them will be pissed off no matter what. Just like I said, it's my opinion, your opinion is just as great. No matter what, it ends up probably upsetting one party I don't envy that man for having to try to keep his customer base happy. For every person that is thrilled they are on the list because they spent $400 there is probably someone upset they aren't on the list because they decided to buy a rifle from him instead of making their own with the parts. I think the list is cool, understand why people on it would want it to keep going. I can't wait to start seeing some builds people put together with all this. They will be tack drivers I'm sure View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By BS68280:
Originally Posted By EricRF:
Originally Posted By BS68280:
Why does everyone give a shit if people end up selling them on the EE? Never seen such a bunch of anti capitalist shit on a gun site. snipped.... Because Mark is more likely to cancel future offerings if all he sees is a shit ton of these offerings showing up for sale. He is doing this as a great benefit to members here when he could be charging full retail price, thus he is not doing this to maximize his capital. If he doesn't continue to see the perceived value by offering loyal customers great products at a great price, and instead sees that middle men are making profit off his ideas, then it is a negative for him and will stop. There is nothing anti capitalistic for the members of the buildAR list to want it to continue. I'm guessing you're on the list. Basically you don't want them to show up on EE because then you might not get the deal anymore? The fact that he is doing the sale at all is really lucky for you guys, I can totally empathize with not wanting it to end. Mark is a great dude, and it's really cool that he does stuff like this at all for his customers, especially when half of them will be pissed off no matter what. Just like I said, it's my opinion, your opinion is just as great. No matter what, it ends up probably upsetting one party I don't envy that man for having to try to keep his customer base happy. For every person that is thrilled they are on the list because they spent $400 there is probably someone upset they aren't on the list because they decided to buy a rifle from him instead of making their own with the parts. I think the list is cool, understand why people on it would want it to keep going. I can't wait to start seeing some builds people put together with all this. They will be tack drivers I'm sure I'm inclined to agree with this guy. The notion that none of these parts should ever show up for sale in the secondary market is a bit silly. I buy parts, try different combos, and stick with what I like. For example, I'm not planning to put my ToT barrel into one of the Stealth 2.0 uppers. I'll need another barrel for that. The gun that my ToT barrel is going into has a nice barrel right now, but that part will be sold off in favor of the ToT barrel. It's entirely possible that my plan for a 12" Stealth 2.0 build will fall apart or change as I'm working on it. Unless Mark chimes in and says he doesn't want BuildAR parts showing up on the EE, I'm not going to feel bad about possibly listing those parts. If UDE polymer doesn't go with the Reardon Oxidize color (or there is new polymer offered to specifically match it), my ToT polymer will be sold and I'm not going to feel bad about it. |
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Originally Posted By Mecha_Loopy:
I'm inclined to agree with this guy. The notion that none of these parts should ever show up for sale in the secondary market is a bit silly. I buy parts, try different combos, and stick with what I like. For example, I'm not planning to put my ToT barrel into one of the Stealth 2.0 uppers. I'll need another barrel for that. The gun that my ToT barrel is going into has a nice barrel right now, but that part will be sold off in favor of the ToT barrel. It's entirely possible that my plan for a 12" Stealth 2.0 build will fall apart or change as I'm working on it. Unless Mark chimes in and says he doesn't want BuildAR parts showing up on the EE, I'm not going to feel bad about possibly listing those parts. If UDE polymer doesn't go with the Reardon Oxidize color (or there is new polymer offered to specifically match it), my ToT polymer will be sold and I'm not going to feel bad about it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Mecha_Loopy:
Originally Posted By BS68280:
Originally Posted By EricRF:
Originally Posted By BS68280:
Why does everyone give a shit if people end up selling them on the EE? Never seen such a bunch of anti capitalist shit on a gun site. snipped.... Because Mark is more likely to cancel future offerings if all he sees is a shit ton of these offerings showing up for sale. He is doing this as a great benefit to members here when he could be charging full retail price, thus he is not doing this to maximize his capital. If he doesn't continue to see the perceived value by offering loyal customers great products at a great price, and instead sees that middle men are making profit off his ideas, then it is a negative for him and will stop. There is nothing anti capitalistic for the members of the buildAR list to want it to continue. I'm guessing you're on the list. Basically you don't want them to show up on EE because then you might not get the deal anymore? The fact that he is doing the sale at all is really lucky for you guys, I can totally empathize with not wanting it to end. Mark is a great dude, and it's really cool that he does stuff like this at all for his customers, especially when half of them will be pissed off no matter what. Just like I said, it's my opinion, your opinion is just as great. No matter what, it ends up probably upsetting one party I don't envy that man for having to try to keep his customer base happy. For every person that is thrilled they are on the list because they spent $400 there is probably someone upset they aren't on the list because they decided to buy a rifle from him instead of making their own with the parts. I think the list is cool, understand why people on it would want it to keep going. I can't wait to start seeing some builds people put together with all this. They will be tack drivers I'm sure I'm inclined to agree with this guy. The notion that none of these parts should ever show up for sale in the secondary market is a bit silly. I buy parts, try different combos, and stick with what I like. For example, I'm not planning to put my ToT barrel into one of the Stealth 2.0 uppers. I'll need another barrel for that. The gun that my ToT barrel is going into has a nice barrel right now, but that part will be sold off in favor of the ToT barrel. It's entirely possible that my plan for a 12" Stealth 2.0 build will fall apart or change as I'm working on it. Unless Mark chimes in and says he doesn't want BuildAR parts showing up on the EE, I'm not going to feel bad about possibly listing those parts. If UDE polymer doesn't go with the Reardon Oxidize color (or there is new polymer offered to specifically match it), my ToT polymer will be sold and I'm not going to feel bad about it. You're exactly right. Heck, the evolving BuildAR's list is a testament to the same process. I've had to sell my barrels, along with other non-LaRue items, to have the means to participate. Who knows what the future holds. Policing what folks do with their property shouldn't even be a discussed issue on this forum. Mr. LaRue has given his opinion on the matter when he remarked about us finding or not finding a way to sell the items, so we can stay on the list. There is plenty of quid pro quo going on here. ETA: I wrote this before I saw ML's last post. Non-issue. |
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Great, now that Mark has settled that issue, can someone please answer whether my tAR barrel will work on the Stealth 2.0 upper?
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Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
It's in the can, IT guys started their afternoon drinking so we gotta go with what we got. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By LoDie:
Originally Posted By Wangstang:
Mark, Are matched charging handles going to be included or available with the uppers? Thanks Wes Well since we are all asking questions and this is the BuildAR thread. What about a drop down for BCG's? Or maybe even just the bolt again like when you released the barrels first? That would really complete the kit I think. It's in the can, IT guys started their afternoon drinking so we gotta go with what we got. Oh Hell, you let them start drinking before they sent out the emails? They might put your company up for sale!! |
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Originally Posted By kybluegrass78:
With the correct barrel nut and feed ramp combo, yes. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By kybluegrass78:
Originally Posted By rmrrm:
Great, now that Mark has settled that issue, can someone please answer whether my tAR barrel will work on the Stealth 2.0 upper? With the correct barrel nut and feed ramp combo, yes. What is the correct barrel nut? I know the tAR Heavy had a tOBR barrel nut. Will tOBR barrel nuts work with these? |
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Originally Posted By kybluegrass78:
With the correct barrel nut and feed ramp combo, yes. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By kybluegrass78:
Originally Posted By rmrrm:
Great, now that Mark has settled that issue, can someone please answer whether my tAR barrel will work on the Stealth 2.0 upper? With the correct barrel nut and feed ramp combo, yes. Thanks, I forgot to add that my tAR barrel has M4 feed ramps. |
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Thank you Mark.
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Buildar list items are up on the site for me now.
Rails are 10.5" and 13". Must place all items on 1 order. Bummer since I wanted to split mine up. Oh well. No comment as to how long order time will be open yet. |
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same here
oh the people who will see that then get denied is going to be hilarious |
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Originally Posted By Mike_P:
Buildar list items are up on the site for me now. Rails are 10.5" and 13". Must place all items on 1 order. Bummer since I wanted to split mine up. Oh well. No comment as to how long order time will be open yet. View Quote Emails going out ... bringing in moar hamster food. |
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Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Don't forward the email. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By ozzie839:
same here oh the people who will see that then get denied is going to be hilarious Don't forward the email. no email yet and its on your site, anyone can see them under new products until they try to go to it then you have to log in, i imagine if you are not on the list it kicks your back to the homepage |
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Originally Posted By Mike_P:
Buildar list items are up on the site for me now. Rails are 10.5" and 13". Must place all items on 1 order. Bummer since I wanted to split mine up. Oh well. No comment as to how long order time will be open yet. View Quote What am I looking for? Email? Larue tactical sign in? Out with it man! |
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Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Emails going out ... bringing in moar hamster food. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By Mike_P:
Buildar list items are up on the site for me now. Rails are 10.5" and 13". Must place all items on 1 order. Bummer since I wanted to split mine up. Oh well. No comment as to how long order time will be open yet. Emails going out ... bringing in moar hamster food. Nom nom. So just to confirm, I can't split orders between 2 debit cards? Didn't want the GF to see one large order, lol. I'll have to move some funds to make it happen. How long will orders be accepted so I know how fast I have to make the transfer? |
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Ready to order, then poof, gone...
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Originally Posted By ozzie839:
no email yet and its on your site, anyone can see them under new products until they try to go to it then you have to log in, i imagine if you are not on the list it kicks your back to the homepage View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By ozzie839:
Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By ozzie839:
same here oh the people who will see that then get denied is going to be hilarious Don't forward the email. no email yet and its on your site, anyone can see them under new products until they try to go to it then you have to log in, i imagine if you are not on the list it kicks your back to the homepage "You didn't say the magic word" |
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View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By ozzie839:
Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By ozzie839:
same here oh the people who will see that then get denied is going to be hilarious Don't forward the email. no email yet and its on your site, anyone can see them under new products until they try to go to it then you have to log in, i imagine if you are not on the list it kicks your back to the homepage "You didn't say the magic word" |
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Originally Posted By Mauritius:
Originally Posted By Mike_P:
Buildar list items are up on the site for me now. Rails are 10.5" and 13". Must place all items on 1 order. Bummer since I wanted to split mine up. Oh well. No comment as to how long order time will be open yet. Ughh, DT. They're currently hidden again, but were listed under a Buildar list title, which cannot be reached via drop downs. Stand-by for the e-mail from Mark to locate it again. (Though I can still see them from where I am on the site. ) |
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Whoa, He got lancer to do that gray for him on their mags.
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I'm really really hoping today is my lucky day and I got in on this email list....
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Originally Posted By ozzie839:
mark probably didnt want them showing up on the main page, had to correct the hamsters, should be a hidden page accessible only by email link and signing in View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By ozzie839:
Originally Posted By ThreeMike:
Ready to order, then poof, gone... mark probably didnt want them showing up on the main page, had to correct the hamsters, should be a hidden page accessible only by email link and signing in Those LT hamsters create anxiety in my life. I have found snorting dillo dust quells that somewhat |
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No email, yet. I imagine it may take different time for different addresses, systems, etc... ?
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Originally Posted By ozzie839:
its UDE not the grey "reardon oxide" they've been up for weeks too View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By ozzie839:
Originally Posted By Mauritius:
Whoa, He got lancer to do that gray for him on their mags. Dude has some pull its UDE not the grey "reardon oxide" they've been up for weeks too I'm F-ing color blind, it all looks the same to me |
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Originally Posted By Mike_P:
In case anyone is interested: http://www.larue.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/sassy_product_detail/10.5-13.0_side_1.jpg View Quote So, you've received an email already? |
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Originally Posted By Mike_P:
In case anyone is interested: http://www.larue.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/sassy_product_detail/10.5-13.0_side_1.jpg View Quote YES...........I am! |
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Barrels arrive with a LaRue Precision Barrel Extension (barrel nuts and gas systems are available separately). View Quote Mark, any insight as to which nut is required for this? |
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View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By ozzie839:
Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By ozzie839:
same here oh the people who will see that then get denied is going to be hilarious Don't forward the email. no email yet and its on your site, anyone can see them under new products until they try to go to it then you have to log in, i imagine if you are not on the list it kicks your back to the homepage "You didn't say the magic word" Strange, that only had 800 hits 20 minutes ago now it's up over a million |
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Originally Posted By Mike_P:
Mark, any insight as to which nut is required for this? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Mike_P:
Barrels arrive with a LaRue Precision Barrel Extension (barrel nuts and gas systems are available separately). Mark, any insight as to which nut is required for this? Like my wife on a a date, arrives with a nut. |
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Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Like my wife on a a date, arrives with a nut. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By Mike_P:
Barrels arrive with a LaRue Precision Barrel Extension (barrel nuts and gas systems are available separately). Mark, any insight as to which nut is required for this? Like my wife on a a date, arrives with a nut. Side question: Pink mbt? |
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