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Posted: 12/13/2013 10:52:17 AM EDT
[#1]
Doing some quick googling it doesn't sound like a terrible price.
Is it something you want? The stuff can be really handy if you're familiar with handling it. If not...  |
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Posted: 12/13/2013 10:58:10 AM EDT
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You will need some HEAVY gloves to handle the shit with.
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Posted: 12/13/2013 11:00:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You will need some HEAVY gloves to handle the shit with. We used to keep roles on the hood of our humvee's, and instead of using the crappy little metal handles, used nice long pieces of engineer tape. That way you never really had to touch the wire. After practicing setting up a million barricades, you get used to handling it without gloves. ETA- Just clarifying, I don't disagree with you AT ALL. OP will need heavy gloves, initially, as well as cloths he doesn't care about.  |
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Posted: 12/13/2013 11:01:10 AM EDT
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I have never handled the stuff before, so no I don't know how. I was just thinking for the small investment it might be worth it to have it in the corner of the garge collecting dust.
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Posted: 12/13/2013 11:06:31 AM EDT
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Check and make sure of the length. 75ft ain't nothing. They usually come 1200 ft
For 50 to 75$ depending on brand. |
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Posted: 12/13/2013 11:09:42 AM EDT
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Check and make sure of the length. 75ft ain't nothing. They usually come 1200 ft For 50 to 75$ depending on brand. Are you thinking of barbed wire? Concertina wire is different. Also known as razor wire. |
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Posted: 12/13/2013 11:14:08 AM EDT
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Yes my bad
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Posted: 12/13/2013 11:22:05 AM EDT
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Concertina is good stuff but if you know what you're doing it's also pretty easy to breach a triple standard concertina barrier.
God, this thread brings up some memories, (12B 1986-1992) |
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Posted: 12/13/2013 11:56:02 AM EDT
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We used to use razor wire on our deer feeders to keep the bears from tearing them up. It sure worked but man that shit tuff to work with, I used to wear welding gloves.
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Posted: 12/13/2013 12:11:41 PM EDT
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Doing some quick googling it doesn't sound like a terrible price. Is it something you want? The stuff can be really handy if you're familiar with handling it. If not... http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/God_cc578a_278089.jpg HAHA!!! This was my first thought! |
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Posted: 12/13/2013 12:32:31 PM EDT
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I've definately found cheaper. But depends on how close you are to a supply and what you'd pay for shipping.
In my location I have access to several types for cheap. Definately a good idea for SHTF preps if you are in an area that could be ravaged by looting. |
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Posted: 12/13/2013 12:34:29 PM EDT
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I have never handled the stuff before, so no I don't know how. I was just thinking for the small investment it might be worth it to have it in the corner of the garge collecting dust. hahahahahah, take if from an experienced Infantryman.....there can be a learning curve. Even when you are "good at handling it" you'll still get caught all the time. 
I'm sure all the .mil guys could tell a funny story or two about that stuff. |
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Posted: 12/13/2013 12:36:06 PM EDT
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oh, one other thing....when setting it up.....loose is better. If too tight it's easy to navigate across. Nice and loose is better to snag people with.
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Posted: 12/13/2013 12:37:23 PM EDT
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Definately a good idea for SHTF preps if you are in an area that could be ravaged by looting. So pretty much anywhere then? 
I wanted a few spools of razorwire but it seemed to be too much of a hassle to use other than the one deployment system that was built into a truck/trailer that I saw. -Emt1581 |
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Posted: 12/13/2013 1:01:58 PM EDT
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treated a guy in the Army once that lost the battle with trying to put some out, it wasn't pretty. 100 ft of that stuff coiling back at you. you have no place to hide.
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Posted: 12/13/2013 1:14:35 PM EDT
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I ran an 1151 into one strand of c wire once in the middle of a rainy night in the triangle of death. I had to use an angle grinder to get it off the axle and out of the brake. Then I had to change the tire in about 2 ft of mud. C wire will stop anything, for a while.
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Posted: 12/13/2013 1:24:17 PM EDT
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I'd pass. There's a million things that your money would be better spent than something the odds of you needing is never. That's going to be a lot of wasted space.
Its fantastic to have a tin foil hat but its better to have a ground wire on it. Tj |
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Posted: 12/13/2013 3:44:13 PM EDT
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I'd pass. There's a million things that your money would be better spent than something the odds of you needing is never. That's going to be a lot of wasted space. Its fantastic to have a tin foil hat but its better to have a ground wire on it. Tj Situationally dependent. If I had two rolls, I could block off both gates to drive through traffic. The rest of my front fence is on a berm, so I could give myself a significant protection from vehicular traffic with only 2 rolls. Three rolls would also completely seal my entire neighborhood at a choke point about 100 yards off of the county road. |
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Posted: 12/13/2013 3:50:25 PM EDT
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Your kids or your grand kinds are going to hate you when you finally kick the bucket and they have to move 3 rusty coils of Cwire out of your toolshed.
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Posted: 12/13/2013 5:40:10 PM EDT
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For the price I'd get it.
I use it wrapped around a chain to block the driveway of my family's northern property. Also have it stretched out as the top and middle wire of the barbed wire fence, to help discourage people from climbing over. It is handy stuff. |
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Posted: 12/13/2013 5:41:31 PM EDT
[#21]
I really, really REALLY hate that crap.
It will literally jump out and grab you. But if you need to rig a hasty barrier then it works pretty good. Also useful for funneling the enemy into your field of fire. |
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Posted: 12/13/2013 5:44:40 PM EDT
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Anyone who says it's not worth it was never in the .mil and seen what it can do.
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Posted: 12/13/2013 5:58:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Situationally dependent. If I had two rolls, I could block off both gates to drive through traffic. The rest of my front fence is on a berm, so I could give myself a significant protection from vehicular traffic with only 2 rolls. Three rolls would also completely seal my entire neighborhood at a choke point about 100 yards off of the county road. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'd pass. There's a million things that your money would be better spent than something the odds of you needing is never. That's going to be a lot of wasted space. Its fantastic to have a tin foil hat but its better to have a ground wire on it. Tj Situationally dependent. If I had two rolls, I could block off both gates to drive through traffic. The rest of my front fence is on a berm, so I could give myself a significant protection from vehicular traffic with only 2 rolls. Three rolls would also completely seal my entire neighborhood at a choke point about 100 yards off of the county road. With three rolls I could triple strand the driveway. I could also block access to two neighborhoods with just two, and the entire community with three. |
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Posted: 12/13/2013 6:22:35 PM EDT
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It's value depends on if if concertina (barbed wire in interlocking helical spirals), Barbed tape (a single leangth of sheet metal, rehaps crimped arround a wire), or barbed tape concertina. (multiple interlockign spirals of razor wire.
I've never seen concertina except in old war movies |
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Posted: 12/13/2013 6:25:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's value depends on if if concertina (barbed wire in interlocking helical spirals), Barbed tape (a single leangth of sheet metal, rehaps crimped arround a wire), or barbed tape concertina. (multiple interlockign spirals of razor wire. I've never seen concertina except in old war movies  |
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Posted: 12/13/2013 6:32:30 PM EDT
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Mean mister triple strand says stay off my grass...
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Posted: 12/13/2013 6:44:15 PM EDT
[#27]
Why can't I find things like this on Craigslist near me?
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Posted: 12/13/2013 7:49:16 PM EDT
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Your kids or your grand kinds are going to hate you when you finally kick the bucket and they have to move 3 rusty coils of Cwire out of your toolshed. I would think that would make it worth the price.
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Posted: 12/13/2013 7:51:58 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Its fantastic to have a tin foil hat but its better to have a ground wire on it. Tj |
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Posted: 12/14/2013 4:08:28 AM EDT
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I've seen it keep hordes of Mandela's minions at bay. Stuff works. For the price, it would be handy. As mentioned by others - prepare to bleed. We put some up on the brick wall behind our house in South Africa - never had a single issue from the back yard. Between the wire and the dogs, it was safe. Front yard - that was a different matter.
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Posted: 12/14/2013 5:33:11 AM EDT
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It's a colloquial term for razor wire... No need to go full LarryG on it.
Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's value depends on if if concertina (barbed wire in interlocking helical spirals), Barbed tape (a single leangth of sheet metal, rehaps crimped arround a wire), or barbed tape concertina. (multiple interlockign spirals of razor wire. I've never seen concertina except in old war movies
But what if your concertina wire was made in Geneseo, IL?
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Posted: 12/14/2013 6:33:09 AM EDT
[#32]
Tanglefoot with it... I'd buy it..
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Posted: 12/14/2013 7:00:16 AM EDT
[#33]
I have 30 75 ft coils in a crate. Brand new. I get warm and fuzzy thinking about it...
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Posted: 12/15/2013 1:11:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have 30 75 ft coils in a crate. Brand new. I get warm and fuzzy thinking about it... |
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Posted: 12/15/2013 2:36:22 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Doing some quick googling it doesn't sound like a terrible price. Is it something you want? The stuff can be really handy if you're familiar with handling it. If not... http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/God_cc578a_278089.jpg lol reminds me of a buddy who managed to cut his butt cheek open trying to lay out c wire. |
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Posted: 12/15/2013 2:43:24 AM EDT
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Having the dispenser (which twists the tape while unwinding) makes it a whole lot easier to deal with.
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Posted: 12/15/2013 4:21:45 AM EDT
[#37]
3 rolls of C-Wire isn't a whole lot, but depending on your terrain it could be very handy.
A triple strand C-wire setup is incredibly difficult to breach quickly, either on foot or in vehicles. Also, C-Wire can be used for area denial. Got a low spot in your yard that you can't see into, that the bad guys could use against you? Fill it with C-Wire. Handy for channeling folks, doing a lot more than simply roping off a driveway. Learning proper employment methods will make it much more effective. FM 5-102 Countermobility Air Force Handbook 10-222 Civil Engineer Guide to Fighting Positions, Shelters, Obstacles, and Revetments FM7-8 Infantry Platoon and Squad Chapter 2 Section X Obstacles Field Fortifications Correspondence Course |
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Posted: 12/15/2013 4:25:08 AM EDT
[#38]
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I'd pass. There's a million things that your money would be better spent than something the odds of you needing is never. That's going to be a lot of wasted space. Its fantastic to have a tin foil hat but its better to have a ground wire on it. Tj
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Posted: 12/15/2013 5:42:25 AM EDT
[#39]
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3 rolls of C-Wire isn't a whole lot, but depending on your terrain it could be very handy. A triple strand C-wire setup is incredibly difficult to breach quickly, either on foot or in vehicles. Also, C-Wire can be used for area denial. Got a low spot in your yard that you can't see into, that the bad guys could use against you? Fill it with C-Wire. Handy for channeling folks, doing a lot more than simply roping off a driveway. Learning proper employment methods will make it much more effective. FM 5-102 Countermobility Air Force Handbook 10-222 Civil Engineer Guide to Fighting Positions, Shelters, Obstacles, and Revetments FM7-8 Infantry Platoon and Squad Chapter 2 Section X Obstacles Field Fortifications Correspondence Course Area denial and channeling are excellent uses for it. I remember one year at a defensive training exercise we were given only so much time and materials to work with. Most platoons tried to dig hasty positions and use the C-wire to surround their positions. Most platoons would get overrun or suffer massive causualties according to the lane walkers. I had my platoon lay the C-wire far out in front of us.....FAR out. It was all based on the terrain and areas that I knew the OPFOR would be coming. Used that C-wire to channel them towards a massive ambush. At first the lane walkers were getting ready to NO-GO us on everything (I told my PSG I didn't want to waste time digging holes based on the time frame given). Turns out we wiped out 100% of the OPFOR and suffered zero KIA or WIA. Not a single blip on the MILES gear. The lane walker said something like "huh, I've always read about the 'channeling' in 7-8 and 7-10 but this is one of the first times I've ever really seen it work so well"
Obviously, you are not going to send out patrols and use it to "channelize" far from your house, but the same concept can be used on a micro-level to protect your house in a riot/looter situation. My house can be protected with just a couple rolls. Basically if someone was going to come to your house you could force them (with effective layout) to use an approach of your choosing (back door or front door). Makes defense a lot easier when you know which way a looter/rioter/burglar would be coming. Oh, the rolls I'd suggest for use are much smaller than the military sized ones but just as effective. They come in 10", 12", 18" and 24" diameter rolls. 10 and 12 would work just fine in most urban evironments for SHTF and anti-looters/rioters. |
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Posted: 12/15/2013 7:59:58 AM EDT
[#40]
How'd this stuff OP? I mean, what were you searching for or are you in any specific area that'd make it easier to find rolls of concertina wire for sale?
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Posted: 12/15/2013 8:12:22 AM EDT
[#41]
I would say buy it and keep it for just in-case. It would be perfect for blocking off entrances around your house and drive-ways/entry ways to your property. Have some tin cans with small rocks inside them ready to hang off the wire, and you will have a field expedient perimeter alarm system. Practice setting that shit up though because there is a bit of a learning curve.
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Posted: 12/15/2013 10:53:05 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Area denial and channeling are excellent uses for it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Area denial and channeling are excellent uses for it. There was a little building with a small second story, we posted up with SAW's (and blanks) and popped off a couple rounds while they were sneaking into town to draw them to the building. A lot of them hopped though the big bay window (no glass) and hit the rubble, tripping and falling. We were just laughing our asses off up stairs and pitching training grenades down. Finally they got the C-wire and started pulling it out while we blind fired saw bursts. IIRC we ran out of ammo and let them "kill" us, even though we had slaughtered their whole team. Moral of the story? Don't want people upstairs? C-wire. |
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Posted: 12/15/2013 1:38:15 PM EDT
[#43]
It binds up an 1151 pretty good after you roll over it.
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Posted: 12/15/2013 2:18:18 PM EDT
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If I were a looter, and saw a property with cameras and concertina wire, I'd go elsewhere.
That stuff works, and works well. When I'm out of the mil, I will have some on hand as a rapidly deployed obstacle for shtf. Even single strand can be pretty effective against the average FSA. Staked triple strand might as well be a force field to the average dumbass. Single strand on the inside of a cattle bar wire fence would be a pretty good deterrent as well. |
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Posted: 12/15/2013 2:46:04 PM EDT
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Are you good to go in all the other areas like food, meds, coms, etc.? This seems like something that would be lower down priority list. I see that a lot of the vets are singing the praises of it's effectiveness. But something that is very useful for conventional military forces may or not work for you. Setting up wire obstacles is a very high profile thing to do. That's not a problem if you are an army unit setting up a check point or defending an area from enemy infantry. How likely do you think an event is that would cause you to want to actually start setting up that wire? What would have to happen before your neighbors would be on board with using that to block the roads leading in and out of the neighborhood?
It isn't necessarily a bad idea but I would expect most people would benefit more by having that money spent on extra food or first aid supplies. |
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Posted: 12/15/2013 3:20:52 PM EDT
[#46]
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Are you good to go in all the other areas like food, meds, coms, etc.? This seems like something that would be lower down priority list. I see that a lot of the vets are singing the praises of it's effectiveness. But something that is very useful for conventional military forces may or not work for you. Setting up wire obstacles is a very high profile thing to do. That's not a problem if you are an army unit setting up a check point or defending an area from enemy infantry. How likely do you think an event is that would cause you to want to actually start setting up that wire? What would have to happen before your neighbors would be on board with using that to block the roads leading in and out of the neighborhood? It isn't necessarily a bad idea but I would expect most people would benefit more by having that money spent on extra food or first aid supplies. I agree with what you're saying in regards to priority. Food/water and first aid come first. However, during hurricane sandy or Katrina or the LA riots, C-wire would have been useful for those who stay in the home or trying to guard a business against looters. |
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Posted: 12/15/2013 3:48:03 PM EDT
[#47]
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Having the dispenser (which twists the tape while unwinding) makes it a whole lot easier to deal with. http://i.imgur.com/QeYu4fn.jpg Thats Razor ribbon, not concertina. Basically high security barbed wire, if you twist it as you deploy. |
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Posted: 12/16/2013 5:40:44 AM EDT
[#48]
Country Boy is right that there are all kinds of this stuff. I ran a wholesale fencing supply for 20 years and used to have to order it in.
Concertina wire, Razor Ribbon, Barbed Tape are all used interchangeably by most folks, but not by the folks who make it. You will see stuff available that is as simple as 18" single coil, which looks like a big slinky, all the way up to the big cans on rollers that are 5' tall and hundreds of feet long. $100 might be good, might be bad, just depends on what it is. Two years ago I used to sell the 18" single coil that would cover 25' when extended for $16. Until you check out what it is, you can't tell if it is a good deal or not. |
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Posted: 12/16/2013 6:55:56 AM EDT
[#49]
This is what I call concertina wire, (pic I took at Ft Irwin, CA)
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Posted: 12/16/2013 11:35:55 AM EDT
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This is what I call concertina wire, (pic I took at Ft Irwin, CA) http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y254/dalesimpson/13212aea-01a3-4a01-bc4b-28a6e170b59e_zpsc1724982.jpg 
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