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Posted: 2/20/2010 9:06:43 AM EST
Having now had a moderate ammount of experience with a 470 NE and also a 458 Lott, my experience is that you get used to it. To some degree. The first shot was a totally new experience in recoil and of course caused some concern. But there was no real pain or lasting soreness. Each new range session was less and less intense. The jittery nervousness of anticipating a big explosion as the trigger is squeezed is now gone allowing me to concentrate on a good sight picture and making a good shot. So if a rifle fits you and you use good shooting technique and keep the number of rounds fired per range session down to a sensible number then you should be able to reset your recoil tolerance to a higher level.
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Posted: 2/21/2010 1:12:41 AM EST
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True story.
How does the recoil of those two compare btw? And how does it compare to .416 Rigby? |
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Posted: 2/21/2010 6:04:04 AM EST
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The 458 Lott that I was shooting was a CZ with no scope. It was not bad at all. The felt recoil of that one and the 470 NE DR were about the same. Very tolerable. The 416 Rigby that I shot felt like it was one step up in the recoil department compared to the other two. The Rigby was a large heavy rifle but the recoil was substantial.
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Posted: 2/21/2010 6:08:14 AM EST
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Really? Right now the .416 is the max of my recoil tolerance. More than a couple and I pull them low. I was comfortable with a lot of recoil in the past but let it slip. Have to build it back up.
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Posted: 2/21/2010 10:43:33 AM EST
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It has a lot to do with the geometry of the stock. The 416 I shot had a very German stock and it felt like getting sucker punched up side the head.
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Posted: 3/30/2010 12:47:36 PM EST
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I have now shot the .458 Lott next to the Rigby. I would say that the Rigby is comparable to lighter loads, .458 Winchester level. The 500 at 2400 loads were a step up and definitely put me back a step. That said I think I could probably learn to shoot them, given enough time and money.
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Posted: 3/30/2010 12:47:40 PM EST
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I have now shot the .458 Lott next to the Rigby. I would say that the Rigby is comparable to lighter loads, .458 Winchester level. The 500 at 2400 loads were a step up and definitely put me back a step. That said I think I could probably learn to shoot them, given enough time and money.
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Posted: 5/1/2010 12:09:29 AM EST
[Last Edit: Bubbatheredneck]
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I have the Ruger in 416 Rigby and it is about as much as I can tolerate.
I thought the Lott was the daddy of recoil until you get into the 460 Wby or some 600NE nonsense. The upside is that is makes my 375 H&H feel like a pussycat in comparison!!!!!!!!! |
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Posted: 5/1/2010 12:20:32 AM EST
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The number one has a reputation for being too light and handling recoil badly.
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Posted: 9/24/2010 3:26:26 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
The number one has a reputation for being too light and handling recoil badly. You don't say! 
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Posted: 10/31/2010 11:03:17 PM EST
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I've owned the Ruger MKII Express in .416 Rigby for about 10 years, and have shot it against the .458 Winchester, .470 Nitro and .416 Weatherby and .416 Rem Mag. I find its recoil to be more of a heavy push, like the .458 and .470 versus a sharper recoil for the Weatherbys and the Rem Mag. But I believe with well placed shots it is more than enough rifle for any dangerous game. Definitely a step up from the .375 H&H. You can develop some pretty impressive loads, if you handload the 300 and 325 grain bullets. YMMV
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Posted: 1/6/2011 12:17:44 PM EST
[Last Edit: Bestboss]
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I dunno about all this recoil sometimes. I can set down and digest 30-35 12ga slugs in a session with no ill effect. But one of the rifles we have is a Ruger #! Tropical. It has a heavy enough barrel, but in the 458 Win Mag, it is nearly a religous experience to shoot it with the 500 grain solids. Have to say though, it puts the 300 Mags we have in perspective. Love 'em all, but some have to take in doses.
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Posted: 1/13/2011 10:29:55 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
The number one has a reputation for being too light and handling recoil badly. I have the RSM 
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Posted: 3/4/2011 6:25:39 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Bubbatheredneck: Originally Posted By Combat_Jack: The number one has a reputation for being too light and handling recoil badly. I have the RSM http://picturearchive.auctionarms.com/1912728/7766122/4d379d831618ea76d77319bcff157fcf.jpg Me too! Mine will shoot MOA out past 300yards. I love that rifle. |
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Posted: 4/20/2011 1:02:08 PM EST
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Once into magnum recoil, I feel little effect between the various cartridges, the guns weight, construction and geometry play a great deal in the comfort of aforementioned recoil. I had a CZ 458 Win that was an absolute pleasure to shoot, my Remington 700 308 with a Kevlar stock was actually a more brisk recoil. I now shoot my Lapua 338 and my 308 with little felt difference between the two in regards to recoil. So I agree, that it is a matter of what you train with and how often you do it.
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Posted: 9/22/2011 2:01:42 AM EST
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Originally Posted By PrivateContactor:
Once into magnum recoil, I feel little effect between the various cartridges, the guns weight, construction and geometry play a great deal in the comfort of aforementioned recoil. I had a CZ 458 Win that was an absolute pleasure to shoot, my Remington 700 308 with a Kevlar stock was actually a more brisk recoil. I now shoot my Lapua 338 and my 308 with little felt difference between the two in regards to recoil. So I agree, that it is a matter of what you train with and how often you do it. -Private Contractor- I loaded some .458 WM and some .458 Lott about mid-range with 500 gr Hornadys and went out into the desert to shoot them a coupe of weeks ago. I can say that with that particular rifle (CZ 550 American Safari Magnum) and that load, the .458 WM was most like a 2-3/8 12-gauge slug, while the Lott was definitely a 3" Magnum slug! Aside from the fact that I hate to use up my very expensive bullets, I hesitate to stoke the Lott all the way up to its' true potential!  I don't LIKE detached retinas and dislocated shoulders! 
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Posted: 9/22/2011 8:12:44 AM EST
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My first experience came 2 weeks ago with a newly aquired Mark X in .458WM. 12 full house loads were my limit shooting offhand with an 8.5lb rifle. The recoil was not as bad as I expected although it was made worse by the less than forgiving butt pad on the rifle. I think much of the problem with Big Bore recoil is the stories about how bad it is and the lack of proper instruction on how to shoot a Big Bore compare to lesser calibers.
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Posted: 10/25/2024 8:34:45 PM EST
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I know this thread has been dead for 13 years, but i'm new here and while i dont have a safari rifle, i do know a bit about recoil, as my handgun hits with 106ft/lbs of felt recoil with a full muzzle brake. The gun only weighs 5lbs so while that makes aiming on target a breeze, the recoil is not for the faint of heart, or anyone with even slightly limp wrists. As tested we sent a 400gr copper solid at 2526.7fps for 5669ft/lbs of muzzle energy. Thats pretty damned close to the .500 nitro. I will say, 106ft/lbs in a handgun, is far less punishing than that in. Rifle. My hands can handle the abuse way easier than the soft tissue of my shoulder. I shot over 20 rounds with it my first time out and it was nothing but a joy to shoot. Anyway, just trying to revive the dead here.
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