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Posted: 6/3/2012 11:56:25 AM EDT
[#1]
Originally Posted By zlman:
Originally Posted By Surf:
Solution: http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff124/flytosail/IMGP9114.jpg This set-up is cool and all but I pitty you when its time to refuel that tank. You've got to fill the 5 gal cans and then transfer them into this main tank. I"ll just store in the 5 gal cans and cut the middle step out. Non-event. I was going to make a gauge, but you can easily check how full it is by knocking on the side of the tank. Next time I go to the gas station, I fill two 5 gallon cans and pour them in using a step stool. I plan on making a shelf on the side to place the can on while using a Super Siphon. For the ease of filling things, and having to lift and pour every few months it it well worth it. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 6/3/2012 10:40:03 PM EDT
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Does anyone know of any caps that will fit the cheap CARB compliant plastic cans? I ended up getting one of these stinkers "for free" when I bought a used flammable storage locker. Since I couldn't figure out the cap, I used some channel locks to try to open it (not the brightest thing I've done). It turns out it must have been open since it shattered w/ a 1/2 dozen parts flying out. It turns out there is a large spring in these. In any case, I still wouldn't mind using the cheap can if I could find a new cap. It seems to be about 2 inches and reminds me of gas cap threads. Has anyone used a conventional gas cap on these? Is there some other cap available? Love the super siphon for all gas transfer; so, no need for spouts.
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Posted: 6/4/2012 10:06:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: zlman]
[#3]
Its a spout but it will give you the option of using the can to pour if you want. I've got a few and they work.
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KS, USA
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Posted: 6/7/2012 5:21:27 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AL25:
Originally Posted By TheRealSundance:
Originally Posted By Scout_19Delta:
First and foremost, thanks to all in this thread. I've picked up a lot of very useful information. Which in turn, my pocketbook has had to pay for (pun intended). With that said I went on a little Scepter shopping spree. And done so with no regrets. Four for fuel and four for water. Even made a couple back up nozzels. Thanks again! http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp209/Scout_19D/gascan1.jpg What did you make the backup nozzles out of? I'd also like to know what parts you used to make the nozzles. Sorry. It's been awhile since I've been on here. I used a 2" outside thread to a 1"inside thread or a 2x1. Then a 1" outside threaded end to a 1" hose end. I picked these items up at my local plumbing supply store. Home Depot didn't carry it. I did pick up the 1' hose from Home Depot. The hose fits really tight and didn't need and additional means of securing. In all its only three items. |
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Posted: 6/10/2012 3:45:39 PM EDT
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I normally do the metal jerry cans but my local surplus store has the MFC's for $50 each plus tax. Is that a good deal?
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Posted: 6/10/2012 4:59:57 PM EDT
[#6]
Originally Posted By ZombieKiller25:
I normally do the metal jerry cans but my local surplus store has the MFC's for $50 each plus tax. Is that a good deal? Give me a web address please............. |
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Posted: 6/10/2012 6:39:22 PM EDT
[#7]
Originally Posted By zlman:
Originally Posted By ZombieKiller25:
I normally do the metal jerry cans but my local surplus store has the MFC's for $50 each plus tax. Is that a good deal? Give me a web address please............. lol I take it that its a good deal? Also, the straps are all tan. Does that mean their for deasel? Would I need to replace the gaskets for gas? |
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Posted: 6/10/2012 8:09:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Variable556]
[#8]
Originally Posted By ZombieKiller25:
Originally Posted By zlman:
Originally Posted By ZombieKiller25:
I normally do the metal jerry cans but my local surplus store has the MFC's for $50 each plus tax. Is that a good deal? Give me a web address please............. lol I take it that its a good deal? Also, the straps are all tan. Does that mean their for deasel? Would I need to replace the gaskets for gas? More than likely yes. Search usernames for "vatopa" if you get any, and send him a PM. I got the viton gaskets from him for the lowest price to be found. He's good to go. If you put gas in an MFC without Viton gaskets this will likely happen:Busted flange thread... $50 is an awesome price–– if they are new cans, and I'd snap them up for that. Only so-so if they are used. ETA: almost forgot to add–––– Anyone swapping out for Viton gaskets––- Don't forget Viton o-rings for your pour spouts too. The gas eats the regular Buna rubber o-rings up and they crack and come off. "Vatopa" has those cheap too. Disclaimer: I have no connection to "vatopa" whatsoever, other than I'm happy he hooked me up with what I needed for a realistic non-highway robber price. 
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Posted: 6/11/2012 2:55:34 PM EDT
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no explanation necessary, Vatopa hooked a lot of folks up and earned his wings.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 6/12/2012 8:51:52 PM EDT
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well here is my contribution to this wonderful 19+ page thread of storing highly dangerous yet precious fuels
 seriously though this thread is great.
Most everything has been covered, including the super siphon and the knock off super siphons....but here is a hack that may or may not of come up already. Both of the aforementioned siphon devices tubes are too short to empty a can quickly. What I have done is added five feet of flexible clear tubing to the end of the super siphon line (10ft to another one), with a hose clamp. I then put my fuel can on either a 7 foot ladder or the roof of my truck, the higher it is the faster the gravity flow. We recently rented a uhaul, and had to rotate through some old gas, so we put a couple five gallon Nato cans on the roof of the uhaul box and it filled the tank....dare I say as fast as the slowest gas pumps in town....like two minutes per can. keep this thread alive, perhaps if OPSEC isn't too much of a concern.....more pics of your stash! |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 8:50:40 AM EDT
[#11]
Alright guys! I've read the entire thread. Just ordered from AtlanticBritish 10 cans and 4 spouts. Hope i can afford to fill em when they get here!
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Posted: 6/21/2012 4:44:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SlowpokeRodriguez]
[#12]
Made me a little crate for safety in transport and in the garage. I can secure the crate in the bed of my truck.
2x4's on the sides and bottom, 1x4's for supports elsewhere. I used 2.5", and 1.25" screws into the 2x4's after nailing. It is friggn sturdy. 
Edit with info: I made the two surrounding "rings" first. The side 2x4's are cut to 13.75", the long 1x4's are 29.75". The bottom support 2x4's are also 29.75" The side vertical 1x4 supports holding the lower 2x4's and the "rings" are 16" long. The front and back vertical 1x4 supports for the "rings" are 14.5" long. Hopefully you can understand my terminology. While the ring dimensions will remain the same for the 4 cans (I purchased these from Deutsche Optik) You can space the height as you would like to be higher or lower. I thought about making them higher so I could stack them, but though it would not be safe to stack. I think I purchased two 8ft 2x4's, and two 8ft 1x4's. The nails used were 2", then I screwed each section as I assembled it. 2.5" into the 2x4's long ways, and 1.25" screws for the 1x4 to 1x4 areas. Hopefully I explained it good enough. I'm no engineer. Top View without cans: 
View of bottom supports: 
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Posted: 6/21/2012 5:26:18 PM EDT
[#13]
Don't the 2.5" screws poke through?
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Posted: 6/21/2012 5:43:07 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Rodent:
Don't the 2.5" screws poke through? Should poke through by 1/4" |
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Posted: 6/21/2012 6:04:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SlowpokeRodriguez]
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No they go into the 2x4's only on the long side, and on the bottom pointed up into the 2x4's. The single screws on the left and right corners are 2.5" (that you see on the four corners, the others are1.25"
No screws poke through at all. Hmm, I guess I didn't clarify I used multiple lengths. Edited to clarify. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 6/22/2012 3:00:05 PM EDT
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Thanks n3,
Building it now. This is what I was looking for. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 5:08:43 PM EDT
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I put some instructions and added more pics above, hopefully it helps you.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 6/24/2012 7:55:39 AM EDT
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I had most of it built before your updated post, but we came about the same. My long cuts were 31 1/4" and the side cuts were 14 1/2". My high cuts came out the same at 16". I didn't want the cans to fit in to tight to leave room for expansion and ease of getting them in and out. I used pressure treated wood with 2 1/2" and 1 1/4" screws that you recomended and they worked out great. I also used wood glue. I was looking for a way to put the jerry cans in the bed of the truck and this is so much more secure than just a bar or a 2x6 going across the bed of the truck. I will be building another soon since I have a total of 8 cans. I think I might even put a hasp on the box for a padlock so I can put a cable through the cans. Thanks again for the suggestion and pic's.
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Posted: 6/24/2012 8:33:19 PM EDT
[#19]
Originally Posted By TriggerPete:
I had most of it built before your updated post, but we came about the same. My long cuts were 31 1/4" and the side cuts were 14 1/2". My high cuts came out the same at 16". I didn't want the cans to fit in to tight to leave room for expansion and ease of getting them in and out. I used pressure treated wood with 2 1/2" and 1 1/4" screws that you recomended and they worked out great. I also used wood glue. I was looking for a way to put the jerry cans in the bed of the truck and this is so much more secure than just a bar or a 2x6 going across the bed of the truck. I will be building another soon since I have a total of 8 cans. I think I might even put a hasp on the box for a padlock so I can put a cable through the cans. Thanks again for the suggestion and pic's. TriggerPete "I didn't want the cans to fit in to tight to leave room for expansion and ease of getting them in and out." Good thinking, I can see a situation where they'd swell and couldn't be removed or break the rack. |
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Posted: 6/26/2012 8:10:53 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By n3awalk3r:
Made me a little crate for safety in transport and in the garage. I can secure the crate in the bed of my truck. 2x4's on the sides and bottom, 1x4's for supports elsewhere. I used 2.5", and 1.25" screws into the 2x4's after nailing. It is friggn sturdy. http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr170/neawalker/Cans.png Edit with info: I made the two surrounding "rings" first. The side 2x4's are cut to 13.75", the long 1x4's are 29.75". The bottom support 2x4's are also 29.75" The side vertical 1x4 supports holding the lower 2x4's and the "rings" are 16" long. The front and back vertical 1x4 supports for the "rings" are 14.5" long. Hopefully you can understand my terminology. While the ring dimensions will remain the same for the 4 cans (I purchased these from Deutsche Optik) You can space the height as you would like to be higher or lower. I thought about making them higher so I could stack them, but though it would not be safe to stack. I think I purchased two 8ft 2x4's, and two 8ft 1x4's. The nails used were 2", then I screwed each section as I assembled it. 2.5" into the 2x4's long ways, and 1.25" screws for the 1x4 to 1x4 areas. Hopefully I explained it good enough. I'm no engineer. Top View without cans: http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr170/neawalker/DSC_2374.jpg View of bottom supports: http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr170/neawalker/DSC_2375.jpg Nice work. |
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Posted: 6/26/2012 10:56:09 PM EDT
[#21]
Nice work.
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Posted: 6/27/2012 9:37:10 PM EDT
[#22]
I just topped off my TJ and Frontier with my cans to rotate the as out of them and didn't spill a drop and didn't leave a drop in any of the cans. I don't see why some people say they can't pour into their vehicles out of the spouts they sell. Now I just need to fill them back up with even cheaper gas than I got a cuple of weeks ago.
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Posted: 7/5/2012 5:42:32 PM EDT
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After this last storm and power outage I decided to add a few more. |
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USA
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Posted: 7/11/2012 11:19:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Krombompulos_Michael]
[#24]
Originally Posted By n3awalk3r:
Made me a little crate for safety in transport and in the garage. I can secure the crate in the bed of my truck. 2x4's on the sides and bottom, 1x4's for supports elsewhere. I used 2.5", and 1.25" screws into the 2x4's after nailing. It is friggn sturdy. http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr170/neawalker/Cans.png Edit with info: I made the two surrounding "rings" first. The side 2x4's are cut to 13.75", the long 1x4's are 29.75". The bottom support 2x4's are also 29.75" The side vertical 1x4 supports holding the lower 2x4's and the "rings" are 16" long. The front and back vertical 1x4 supports for the "rings" are 14.5" long. Hopefully you can understand my terminology. While the ring dimensions will remain the same for the 4 cans (I purchased these from Deutsche Optik) You can space the height as you would like to be higher or lower. I thought about making them higher so I could stack them, but though it would not be safe to stack. I think I purchased two 8ft 2x4's, and two 8ft 1x4's. The nails used were 2", then I screwed each section as I assembled it. 2.5" into the 2x4's long ways, and 1.25" screws for the 1x4 to 1x4 areas. Hopefully I explained it good enough. I'm no engineer. Top View without cans: http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr170/neawalker/DSC_2374.jpg View of bottom supports: http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr170/neawalker/DSC_2375.jpg Are those the Deutscheoptik cans? Are they GTG for fuel storage?Also, are they a good company to buy from? |
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Posted: 7/11/2012 3:32:00 PM EDT
[#25]
I would like to thank everyone who posted information in this thread!
A++ work! |
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Posted: 7/16/2012 11:08:15 AM EDT
[#26]
Originally Posted By 1811guy:
Originally Posted By n3awalk3r:
Made me a little crate for safety in transport and in the garage. I can secure the crate in the bed of my truck. 2x4's on the sides and bottom, 1x4's for supports elsewhere. I used 2.5", and 1.25" screws into the 2x4's after nailing. It is friggn sturdy. http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr170/neawalker/Cans.png Edit with info: I made the two surrounding "rings" first. The side 2x4's are cut to 13.75", the long 1x4's are 29.75". The bottom support 2x4's are also 29.75" The side vertical 1x4 supports holding the lower 2x4's and the "rings" are 16" long. The front and back vertical 1x4 supports for the "rings" are 14.5" long. Hopefully you can understand my terminology. While the ring dimensions will remain the same for the 4 cans (I purchased these from Deutsche Optik) You can space the height as you would like to be higher or lower. I thought about making them higher so I could stack them, but though it would not be safe to stack. I think I purchased two 8ft 2x4's, and two 8ft 1x4's. The nails used were 2", then I screwed each section as I assembled it. 2.5" into the 2x4's long ways, and 1.25" screws for the 1x4 to 1x4 areas. Hopefully I explained it good enough. I'm no engineer. Top View without cans: http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr170/neawalker/DSC_2374.jpg View of bottom supports: http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr170/neawalker/DSC_2375.jpg Are those the Deutscheoptik cans? Are they GTG for fuel storage?Also, are they a good company to buy from? Yes and Yes. I have bought 4 large cans and 2 small cans from them and have never had a problem. |
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USA
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Posted: 7/16/2012 3:12:53 PM EDT
[#27]
Originally Posted By vm1970:
Originally Posted By 1811guy:
Originally Posted By n3awalk3r:
Made me a little crate for safety in transport and in the garage. I can secure the crate in the bed of my truck. 2x4's on the sides and bottom, 1x4's for supports elsewhere. I used 2.5", and 1.25" screws into the 2x4's after nailing. It is friggn sturdy. http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr170/neawalker/Cans.png Edit with info: I made the two surrounding "rings" first. The side 2x4's are cut to 13.75", the long 1x4's are 29.75". The bottom support 2x4's are also 29.75" The side vertical 1x4 supports holding the lower 2x4's and the "rings" are 16" long. The front and back vertical 1x4 supports for the "rings" are 14.5" long. Hopefully you can understand my terminology. While the ring dimensions will remain the same for the 4 cans (I purchased these from Deutsche Optik) You can space the height as you would like to be higher or lower. I thought about making them higher so I could stack them, but though it would not be safe to stack. I think I purchased two 8ft 2x4's, and two 8ft 1x4's. The nails used were 2", then I screwed each section as I assembled it. 2.5" into the 2x4's long ways, and 1.25" screws for the 1x4 to 1x4 areas. Hopefully I explained it good enough. I'm no engineer. Top View without cans: http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr170/neawalker/DSC_2374.jpg View of bottom supports: http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr170/neawalker/DSC_2375.jpg Are those the Deutscheoptik cans? Are they GTG for fuel storage?Also, are they a good company to buy from? Yes and Yes. I have bought 4 large cans and 2 small cans from them and have never had a problem. Thanks! Just ordered 4 and a spout. |
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Posted: 7/16/2012 4:30:18 PM EDT
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Just got a can and spout off of ebay and the interior or the can is not painted. What is the cheapest fix short of sending it back?
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TX, USA
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Posted: 7/19/2012 8:45:37 AM EDT
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I just ordered some 20L, 10L, and a 5L Jerry can from Atlantic British. I won't begin using them for a couple of years. So I will need to store and preserve them until that time. Would it be a good idea to use a vapor phase corrosion inhibitor like the one "3 in 1 Oil" sells ( http://www.3inone.com.au/3inone/no_rust_shield.php ) to keep the inside from rusting?
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Posted: 7/29/2012 5:41:33 PM EDT
[#30]
Just updated the Viton gasket portion with new info.
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Posted: 7/29/2012 7:44:47 PM EDT
[#31]
Originally Posted By FordGuy:
Just updated the Viton gasket portion with new info. Woot! I finally get to contribute something worthwhile. I should have known that professing my stupidity was the key.LOL
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Posted: 7/30/2012 9:03:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: wshbrngr]
[#32]
Originally Posted By Bizarro:
Just got a can and spout off of ebay and the interior or the can is not painted. What is the cheapest fix short of sending it back? I always thought the NATO cans are lined inside. I don't know what you paid, or how yours was advertised, but I suspect you got a Chinese knock-off can. You can buy fuel tank liner at an auto parts store or online, but when I I looked, it was not a very cheap option. Between cans and tank liner, I could just buy real NATO cans for the cost. |
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Posted: 7/30/2012 4:17:04 PM EDT
[#33]
Is $38.50 too much for new NATO Jerry cans?
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Posted: 7/30/2012 5:06:36 PM EDT
[#34]
Originally Posted By AirRaceFan: Is $38.50 too much for new NATO Jerry cans? No, not for a quality can. I paid $30 for mine from Deutsche Optik 3 years ago, and now they are up to $50. |
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Posted: 7/30/2012 5:58:15 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By wingnutx:
Originally Posted By AirRaceFan:
Is $38.50 too much for new NATO Jerry cans? No, not for a quality can. I paid $30 for mine from Deutsche Optik 3 years ago, and now they are up to $50. Do these seem to be the real deal? They're marked "not for fuel use" supposedly because of EPA regs. 
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Posted: 7/30/2012 6:56:33 PM EDT
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DO has cans marked like that. They look fine, but I can't see how thick the steel is or how well it is coated inside.
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Posted: 7/31/2012 6:27:54 AM EDT
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Lexington Container Co. has them listed as a coming soon item.
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Posted: 7/31/2012 9:05:54 AM EDT
[#38]
Originally Posted By AirRaceFan:
Originally Posted By wingnutx:
Originally Posted By AirRaceFan:
Is $38.50 too much for new NATO Jerry cans? No, not for a quality can. I paid $30 for mine from Deutsche Optik 3 years ago, and now they are up to $50. Do these seem to be the real deal? They're marked "not for fuel use" supposedly because of EPA regs. http://i.imgur.com/Rx8Vx.jpg http://i.imgur.com/eQ8f9.jpg I bet those are chinese knockoffs. |
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Posted: 7/31/2012 3:30:25 PM EDT
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How can you tell the real deal? I may be going there to pick up some more water storage, if I they have the cans in stock and I can eyeball them, what should I look for?
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Posted: 7/31/2012 4:06:36 PM EDT
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Without a real nato can to compare it may be hard to. I would look for bad welds, cheap, thin steel and any other typical chinese-type shortcuts. Best I can tell you.
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Posted: 8/1/2012 8:20:08 AM EDT
[#41]
Originally Posted By Merlin:
Without a real nato can to compare it may be hard to. I would look for bad welds, cheap, thin steel and any other typical chinese-type shortcuts. Best I can tell you. After further research, the cans sold on Atlantic British seem to be the same can as the ones I posted above. |
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Posted: 8/1/2012 11:44:09 AM EDT
[#42]
Originally Posted By AirRaceFan:
Originally Posted By Merlin:
Without a real nato can to compare it may be hard to. I would look for bad welds, cheap, thin steel and any other typical chinese-type shortcuts. Best I can tell you. After further research, the cans sold on Atlantic British seem to be the same can as the ones I posted above. Shouldn't the vendor be able to tell you the country of origin? |
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Posted: 8/1/2012 3:00:18 PM EDT
[#43]
Originally Posted By rsqhobbs:
Originally Posted By AirRaceFan:
Originally Posted By Merlin:
Without a real nato can to compare it may be hard to. I would look for bad welds, cheap, thin steel and any other typical chinese-type shortcuts. Best I can tell you. After further research, the cans sold on Atlantic British seem to be the same can as the ones I posted above. Shouldn't the vendor be able to tell you the country of origin? I'm awaiting a reply to my email. |
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Posted: 8/6/2012 11:53:26 PM EDT
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Alot of the cheaper cans have no liner. The liner should be a redish, orangish, brownish color for fuel cans.
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Posted: 8/7/2012 6:07:56 PM EDT
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I started a rehab project on a bunch of my older more beat up cans, some have been in use on the farm for 20-25 years, and I got them used 'back then'.
I did my first can over the winter, to test the process and materials (spray bedliner and paint). At hte time I only used bedliner on the bottom of the can, but after some use I reazlized I should have covered the can completely with the bedliner product. 
Sandblasting the cans, I did the test can at home with my 'small' sandblaster. It took some time so I got some help from a neighboring farmer who had a trailer mounted compressor and industrial sandblaster to do the bulk of the cans. 
I use this Dupli-Color brand product for years on my gunstock fabrications and other projects, duplicolor dot com product # TR250 Black Truck bed Coating. It dries nice and hard and leaves a nice texture that takes paint well. The can on the right I purchased new and covered and repainted the can completely after scuffing the factory paint with my sandblaster. 
Painting the cans... 
One can of bedliner will do a 5 gal can and then some. I put on 6 light coats per can, a few more on the bottom to finish off the spray can. There is a sweet spot for how far away the nozzle is while spraying that gives a nice 'sand' texture. 
On the left is the new can I got at the farm store, that's were I purchased my older fuel cans some years ago, (there's a few more of nmy older cans in the background waiting to get rehabbed). Except for the nozzle the cans are identical. The new can has a sticker made in Melrose Park Illnois at Midwst Can Company. Once I find a steel cap I will be happy with the new can. On the left is a plastic can that's been on the farm for about 20 years, made by Totem Plastics out of Ontario Canada, labeled "TeePee Can", I found nothing on google about them. There was a pdf online that had some test results on thew can's permeability or some shit. The nozzle for the teepee can is the same diameter and almost the same same thread as the new metal cans, I would love to find some more of those. (I decided to sandblast the teepee can alittle and see how it takes the bedliner.) C361 Stan |
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Posted: 8/7/2012 10:31:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: EXPY37]
[#46]
Wow!
That one pix looks like something taken by Curious on Mars of a bunch of Martains with 4 wooden legs and Blitz cans for heads mobbing the rover.
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Posted: 8/9/2012 1:58:21 PM EDT
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Have these been mentioned yet?
The fix to the carb compliant can: http://www.ezpourspout.com/index.html |
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Posted: 8/10/2012 9:38:23 PM EDT
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pay the fifty cents extra and get the Atlantic British and don't be worried about the quality issue They are great.
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Posted: 8/12/2012 6:51:27 PM EDT
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BulletcatchR, those cans are looking very good. That should be an extremely durable finish!
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WI, USA
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Posted: 8/18/2012 11:22:53 PM EDT
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Does any one know if a Jegs lid will thread onto a Blitz fuel can?
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