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Posted: 9/27/2024 8:36:40 PM EDT
https://www.packrafting-store.de
Bridges are easily controlled choke points that may not be usable for whatever reason. A poncho raft was always my plan, but TBH, I was kinda ignoring winter. |
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AK, USA
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Posted: 9/28/2024 1:44:23 PM EDT
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Packrafts also require a paddle to use efficiently especially in rapid moving water. Uncharted supply has one if you aren't going to use it much. Klymit also has a smaller model both of those are flat water only packrafts. Kokopelli and Alpacka are the two big packraft companies in the US. NRS also has a few models now.
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Posted: 9/28/2024 3:39:18 PM EDT
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There are some cheap ones on Amazon with mixed reviews. packrafts suck in swift moving water, so if you're trying to use it because the water is up, you might be putting yourself in a bad situation.
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Posted: 9/29/2024 12:07:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AL25: There are some cheap ones on Amazon with mixed reviews. packrafts suck in swift moving water, so if you're trying to use it because the water is up, you might be putting yourself in a bad situation. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/29/2024 11:14:33 AM EDT
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Spare tire from a car or truck works will in a pinch.
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AK, USA
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Posted: 10/1/2024 9:21:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AL25: There are some cheap ones on Amazon with mixed reviews. packrafts suck in swift moving water, so if you're trying to use it because the water is up, you might be putting yourself in a bad situation. They don't all suck in swift moving water. People use them in white water just like kayaks however that's beyond what we are talking about here. |
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Posted: 10/2/2024 12:12:07 AM EDT
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Finally got a chance to look at the weights. Holy crap! A one man raft that weighs less than 1.1 lbs? That's very packable. And works as part of a lean-to? That's a slick piece of kit, OP.
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Posted: 10/2/2024 9:14:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bubbatheredneck: I'm think more for slow southern rivers Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bubbatheredneck: Originally Posted By AL25: There are some cheap ones on Amazon with mixed reviews. packrafts suck in swift moving water, so if you're trying to use it because the water is up, you might be putting yourself in a bad situation. Sorry, I was thinking the bridge was impassable due to flooding. For calm open water I think any of the Alpaca style rafts would work. |
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Posted: 10/3/2024 12:36:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AL25: Sorry, I was thinking the bridge was impassable due to flooding. For calm open water I think any of the Alpaca style rafts would work. Even after a hurricane or other natural disaster, trying to get home in the aftermath a week or so later, after the water recedes, but the damage is done, a pack raft could be key to getting around a washed out bridge. Or in the case of roving bands of gangs in a post apocalyptic wasteland, avoiding chokepoints such as bridges would be a good idea Im guessing.  |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 10/3/2024 12:57:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: Finally got a chance to look at the weights. Holy crap! A one man raft that weighs less than 1.1 lbs? That's very packable. And works as part of a lean-to? That's a slick piece of kit, OP. I was wondering what ‘ultralight’ meant. That’s crazy. I wonder how well it stands up to pointy stuff? That’s one of the concerns I had, with my Advanced Elements inflatables, specifically wrt flooding. The exterior holds up well to stuff like branches, but flood waters can hide metal debris. Even the ends of a submerged metal fence can poke through where a branch wouldn’t. |
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Posted: 10/5/2024 7:08:17 AM EDT
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I’d consider this an issue of scale.
How often are you likely to encounter a need for a water crossing. Do you want to carry a raft in your truck or in your bag for a maybe once in a lifetime event? Or would you be better off getting a good dry bag to throw your stuff in and use, like a poncho raft but actually waterproof, and can keep your stuff dry all the time in any situation. *for reference I have done overnight packrafting in Alaska, and it was… fun, painful (shallow rivers and most packrafts don’t have inflated bottoms so your butt hits rocks/gravel bars). It’s a neat idea but super niche. |
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AK, USA
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Posted: 10/7/2024 7:53:20 PM EDT
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I have a kokopelli xpd that I picked up. On flat water it is super stable I do need to get a tracking fin for it because without it, it is slow.in slow moving water it would be fine. In rapids it really needs a self bailing floor and a spray skirt. They also make a full length inflating floor. Currently I just have the inflated seat.
There was a guy on Rokslide that would organize backcountry packraft trips up here, I never made it to one but they would hike packrafts to a lake paddle to a creek then to a river and then take out at the highway.the packrafts were an assortment of Alpackas, Kokopellis and Pristine venture pr49's. Alaska was the birthplace of packrafting with Roman Dial Originally starting with Walmart pool toy rafts. |
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Posted: 10/9/2024 10:46:22 PM EDT
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A raft could be a source of security too… if things are socially unstable while you are moving, they won’t find you in the middle of a lake at night or bother to look in a swamp. Add a camo tarp over the top and you have a comfortable, dry, hard to see shelter. Two tarps and you can use it as shelter on land with one underneath to protect from puncture. Keep you off of the cold ground too.
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Posted: 10/12/2024 1:30:00 AM EDT
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You are using a pack liner. Right? (Right???)
Use one that you can seal and use it to float across a river if you must cross one in an emergency. The odds you will use a 'packable raft' in an emergency is close to nothing. However, the pack liner is something very useful in regular use. |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 12:20:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BLUEBOY: Spare tire from a car or truck works will in a pinch. Have you tried this? Tires mounted on a rim don’t float well, and are awkward to handle. |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 1:09:42 AM EDT
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I would think that 2 or 3 decent sized dry bags tied with some 550 might be ok. Carry them empty, and "poof them up" when you need..
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Posted: 10/16/2024 9:49:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By marnsdorff: You are using a pack liner. Right? (Right???) Use one that you can seal and use it to float across a river if you must cross one in an emergency. The odds you will use a 'packable raft' in an emergency is close to nothing. However, the pack liner is something very useful in regular use. A GI poncho with tent poles (Alpha shelter) will do the same thing if you tie the hood off… |
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AK, USA
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Posted: Yesterday 1:13:05 AM EDT
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For anyone that is interested Kokopelli is having ing a garage sale right now on their packrafts. They have some used Hornet lites for $275 which are good flatmates boats up to theor Nirvanas for more than. 50%off for a solid class 3 boat.
https://kokopelli.com/collections/garage-sale I picked up a Rogue R-deck which is a solid class 2 boat that I might take on class 3 after I get used to it. |
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Posted: Yesterday 10:42:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By moximouse: I'd consider this an issue of scale. How often are you likely to encounter a need for a water crossing. Do you want to carry a raft in your truck or in your bag for a maybe once in a lifetime event? Or would you be better off getting a good dry bag to throw your stuff in and use, like a poncho raft but actually waterproof, and can keep your stuff dry all the time in any situation. *for reference I have done overnight packrafting in Alaska, and it was fun, painful (shallow rivers and most packrafts don't have inflated bottoms so your butt hits rocks/gravel bars). It's a neat idea but super niche. But looking through all the GHB discussions, bridges as choke points are never really discussed. Poncho rafts and variants are by far the easiest expedient solution ..unless it's cold. |
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Posted: Today 11:26:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alaskagrown: For anyone that is interested Kokopelli is having ing a garage sale right now on their packrafts. They have some used Hornet lites for $275 which are good flatmates boats up to theor Nirvanas for more than. 50%off for a solid class 3 boat. https://kokopelli.com/collections/garage-sale I picked up a Rogue R-deck which is a solid class 2 boat that I might take on class 3 after I get used to it. Went and looked, nothing remotely close to the deal you found.. |
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