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Originally Posted By Jodan1776: The really funny thing about the other guy who didn't study General at all was that they initially scored him at 31/35. I was totally amazed that he could do that and I kept asking him questions about how he could do that; like did he have a ham in his family or previous exposure or previous reading or anything. Nope. Well after a short time, it came out that they had used the wrong key to grade his test, and he really only got 15. To me, that's even more amazing that his wrong answers should so closely match a wrong key. He should buy a lottery ticket.  Just a thing to note, VE/VECs are not supposed to reveal scores. They are only supposed to disclose if the test was a pass/fail. |
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Originally Posted By Jodan1776: Passed my Technician today. 100% on the test. The combination of those 3 YT videos plus hamstudy.org made it easy. I thought the General test also included questions from Technician, so I went for it, despite not studying any of it. Got 19/35. Another guy did the same thing (with zero study) and got 15/35. Oh well, I really don't see myself getting into the HF/DX stuff anyway. Now have to wait for the .gov shutdown to do anything about it. I was all pumped to get on 2M and start chatting away.. I was sorely disappointed. About the only action is the weekly net, which quite frankly, sucks. Listen to 40-50 check-in's, then NC briefs on the upcoming events throughout the month, where the next breakfast is going to be, siren tests, etc. then pronounces "Great net! See ya next week!". That's just not my jam. Every now and again I'll catch someone mobile, running to the store, heading to work, etc. Not near the amount of rag chewing that I thought there would be. That spurred me to get in high gear and get on HF. I get a lot more enjoyment out of HF than VHF/UHF. I cut my teeth on POTA, and still enjoy it. This passed weekend I jumped into the CQ WW contest (I'm not a contester by any means, but thoroughly enjoyed the DX portion of it. At any rate, welcome to the club! |
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Whats a good online study that is more than just memorizing answers. My brain doesnt work that way. Everyone says just memorise the questions and answers. Well that does not teach me anything and imho its folly to do that. The whole intent is to learn I thought. Example first question on the sample Tech test "In which direction does a half-wave dipole antenna radiate the strongest signal?" My problem is I need to know what that is. Whats a wave, whats a dipole and stuff like that. For me most words in the question were gibberish. My brain sees something it does not know about I need to learn everything about it. That one sample question sent me on an multiple hours long internet journey to begin learning everything I can about each word in the question. At this rate I will be ready for the test in 74 years I need a study that actually explains everything in the questions. I would rqather not get my license if I dont learn. Pointless to have it and not know a damn thing about why I passed Is there a system for true dummies? |
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Would something in book form work? I always liked the Gordon West study books, and he's still putting them out. https://www.amazon.com/Technician-Element-Amateur-Preparation-2022-2026/dp/1625951906 |
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I felt challenged by failing General, so I ordered a book from Amazon by Ham Radio Prep.com. Got it today. It also includes access to a phone app for studying. My process is I read a couple chapters in the book, then go to hamstudy.com and crank through each subelement over and over and over in study mode until I have 100% on "read" and 100% on "aptitude". Then I move on to the next subelement and repeat the process. I did the first 3 subelements tonight. I had to go through G1 about 100 times before I was able to consistently get 100%; I kept getting all those bands and watts limits questions wrong, but I eventually got it. That's how I did it on Tech, plus I had that very helpful 10-hour, 3-video set of YouTube videos (recommended on the previous page) as a basis. I highly recommend those 3 videos for anyone going for Tech. Here's a fresh link to it. It's 3 parts - first is 4 hours, second is about 3.5 hours, third is about 2.5 hours, IIRC. Watch that, use hamstudy.org, and you can be ready to pass the test in a very short time. Total study time for me was a couple weeks.  Ham Radio Technician License Course 2022-2026 There doesn't seem to be an equivalent on YT for General (at least not any good ones), so I ordered the book. I signed up for a local General test in a couple weeks, so I should be ready by then. |
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hamstudy.org and the YT video posted a few posts up from your post will be invaluable for you in prepping for the test. Best wishes with it. |
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Originally Posted By SperlingPE: I am interested in getting my basic HAM license. I have searched and found a local HMA group. I inherited a portable radio which sparked my interest but never followed through. I currently will have time to devote to this. Glad to hear it! There is a huge selection of different things you can do with ham radio, so you are sure to find things that you enjoy. This is my standard answer for how to study for the ham radio license exam(s). There are 3 levels of ham license: Technician, General, and Amateur Extra. Technician provides the least amount of frequency privilege, and Amateur Extra provides the most. When you take the license exam, you pay for the session, not per test. So, if you pass Technician, they will offer you the General test, and if you pass that, they will offer you the Amateur Extra test without having to pay any additional fee. The worst that can happen is you don't pass. I advise you to do like I did: use hamstudy.org in the (free) STUDY mode. Forget practice tests. Just keep hitting the questions in Study mode. Why do it this way? Because it will tell you instantly if your answer is right or wrong. If wrong, you click the upper corner of the question and it will give you the full explanation. You need that immediate reinforcement, if you are going to learn. The practice tests don't give you an immediate correct or incorrect response. As you go along answering questions, the site will keep track of, and display for you, the % of each category of question you have completed, AND how well you are scoring. This is cumulative. You can go back day after day, and it will keep your numbers. Keep going until you have answered 100% of questions in all the categories. It is a known finite set of questions. Then, keep going some more to push your cumulative score up. You will know when you have the confidence to take the exam, but I suggest hitting 90% in your cumulative numbers. Also get the ARRL books for each license tier (http://www.arrl.org/shop/Licensing-and-Education/ sometimes can be found for less at other book selling sites). I found them most helpful when used as a reference looking up various things and reading about them in short bursts a couple of times a day, as opposed to reading them cover to cover. This is what I did, before and after work every day for, I forget exactly, maybe 6 or 8 weeks. |
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Originally Posted By CashOnlyLargeBills: Just a thing to note, VE/VECs are not supposed to reveal scores. They are only supposed to disclose if the test was a pass/fail. Not sure which org you're referring to, but ARRL requires notifying the examinee of their score. Page 54 of the ARRL VE Manual clearly states: "The VEs must inform the examinee of their grade (pass or fail, and offer his or her score {e.g., 26 out of 35}) upon completion of the grading." |
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Originally Posted By NAM: Not sure which org you're referring to, but ARRL requires notifying the examinee of their score. Page 54 of the ARRL VE Manual clearly states: "The VEs must inform the examinee of their grade (pass or fail, and offer his or her score {e.g., 26 out of 35}) upon completion of the grading." Originally Posted By NAM: Originally Posted By CashOnlyLargeBills: Just a thing to note, VE/VECs are not supposed to reveal scores. They are only supposed to disclose if the test was a pass/fail. Not sure which org you're referring to, but ARRL requires notifying the examinee of their score. Page 54 of the ARRL VE Manual clearly states: "The VEs must inform the examinee of their grade (pass or fail, and offer his or her score {e.g., 26 out of 35}) upon completion of the grading." Yeah, I was going to say, while I haven't taken an amateur test in half a century, my wife took her Extra a couple of years ago, passed and they certainly gave her the score. |
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Took General test today. 100% again. That hamstudy.org makes it about impossible to fail. And for the General, I added their phone app, which meant I could study anywhere, any time. Still waiting for FCC site to reopen. The testers encouraged me to take the Extra test for free. Failed miserably. That one is a LOT of very specialized detail. Maybe I'll study for it, maybe not. Not right now, anyway. I'll reiterate the point of this thread. If you have any interest in ham, just go to hamstudy.org and start in on the questions. You can guess at a question or click "I don't know". It will show you the right answer, and you can click upper RT corner and get an explanation, as well as hints to remember. And the app question order is pegged to any one of several books. I recommend book order or pool order until you know most of it, then switch to random order questions. Set random order answers right from the start. All selectable in the EXCELLENT app (upper RT menu). Repeat until you can answer 100% of the pool questions 5 times in a row without error. Guaranteed 100% on the test. |
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Originally Posted By Jodan1776: Took General test today. 100% again. That hamstudy.org makes it about impossible to fail. And for the General, I added their phone app, which meant I could study anywhere, any time. Still waiting for FCC site to reopen. The testers encouraged me to take the Extra test for free. Failed miserably. That one is a LOT of very specialized detail. Maybe I'll study for it, maybe not. Not right now, anyway. I'll reiterate the point of this thread. If you have any interest in ham, just go to hamstudy.org and start in on the questions. You can guess at a question or click "I don't know". It will show you the right answer, and you can click upper RT corner and get an explanation, as well as hints to remember. And the app question order is pegged to any one of several books. I recommend book order or pool order until you know most of it, then switch to random order questions. Set random order answers right from the start. All selectable in the EXCELLENT app (upper RT menu). Repeat until you can answer 100% of the pool questions 5 times in a row without error. Guaranteed 100% on the test. Congratulations!  Any idea what direction you're going to go in terms of equipment and interest? |
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Originally Posted By Emoto: Congratulations! Any idea what direction you're going to go in terms of equipment and interest? I'm still not legal to transmit, but I did get a couple Baofeng HTs from Amazon and listened to the local repeaters. Not a peep, day or night. I asked a local ham friend about it and he said there's little activity on the repeaters. Hmmmm. Basic HF xceiver starts at about 10x the pair of HTs, but I might try one. I did ask my ham friend if I can come over sometime and watch him in action. |
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Originally Posted By Jodan1776: Thanks. No, no idea at all. I'm still not legal to transmit, but I did get a couple Baofeng HTs from Amazon and listened to the local repeaters. Not a peep, day or night. I asked a local ham friend about it and he said there's little activity on the repeaters. Hmmmm. Basic HF xceiver starts at about 10x the pair of HTs, but I might try one. I did ask my ham friend if I can come over sometime and watch him in action. There's a lot to explore. Fun! Speaking only for myself, I was always interested in trying to speak to far away places, so for me HF is where the fun is. A 100w radio and a wire 60' up in the trees out back let me make contacts over much of the planet. Not as easily as some guy with a big tower and a linear amp, but I got it done. |
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Originally Posted By Emoto:There's a lot to explore. Fun! Speaking only for myself, I was always interested in trying to speak to far away places, so for me HF is where the fun is. A 100w radio and a wire 60' up in the trees out back let me make contacts over much of the planet. Not as easily as some guy with a big tower and a linear amp, but I got it done. I do have a 150' tower that I put up for a wind generator until I gave up on wind generators and put the money into more solar panels instead. It's also about 100 yards from the house and power, so attenuation may negate height gains. I may tinker with something this winter. |
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Originally Posted By Jodan1776: I do have a 150' tower that I put up for a wind generator until I gave up on wind generators and put the money into more solar panels instead. It's also about 100 yards from the house and power, so attenuation may negate height gains. I may tinker with something this winter. Don't be afraid of the 100 yards of coax loss. On VHF/UHF then yes, it will require some more expensive coax, but at HF, this is not a real big problem at all. A tower can be a support for a nice beam. and also a support for wire antennas on the lower bands. So you are "halfway there" for supports. You can invest in some good coax and have a remote coax switch at the tower and switch the one good coax to multiple antenna feeds HF is loads more fun than VHF/UHF. They are "ok" for making local friends, but HF is just more fun. Of course this is just an opinion. |
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Originally Posted By Jodan1776: I do have a 150' tower that I put up for a wind generator until I gave up on wind generators and put the money into more solar panels instead. It's also about 100 yards from the house and power, so attenuation may negate height gains. I may tinker with something this winter. Wow! You could do a lot with that. Maybe start a new thread about putting together your equipment and antenna? We'll happily spend your money for you!  (Just a thought.) But, it can take some time to develop interests and see what floats your boat, so you could just stick a toe in the water and attach one end of a wire antenna to your tower and the other end to a tree closer to the house and hook that up to a radio. Wire antennas are cheap to buy and cheaper to make and they really do work. This is a fairly decent time to buy a radio. The two that I think are widely considered to be excellent HF transceivers with all the modern features, the IC-7300 and the FT-710 Field, both have rebates and sale prices at the moment making them <$1000. Of course, you may find older used equipment locally for a lot less. I went with new because I wasn't confident that I could tell if an old radio wasn't working properly. There is a Ham Radio Outlet in Salem, NH where you could see stuff and ask questions. I've not been in that store, but I have spoken to people there on the phone several times, and they have been very helpful and not pushy. |
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Originally Posted By Jodan1776: 150' tower 80 meter 5/8 wave vertical? Yes please. Have some sort of a switched shunt feed arrangement for 80 & 160. Beast mode for low band DX. Plenty of room for other fun stuff too. |
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Originally Posted By 302w: I am spending some time on Ham Study but there is simply so much to learn. I feel like I'm learning the answers, but not learning how to actually operate a radio. Are there any other recommended resources? The tests aren't a good instruction manual for amateur radio. I haven't seen this particular book but from the description it might be useful: https://home.arrl.org/action/Store/Product-Details/productId/114292 There are so many different niches to amateur radio that it's hard to generalize a recommendation for where to look for more information. |
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Originally Posted By 302w: I am spending some time on Ham Study but there is simply so much to learn. I feel like I'm learning the answers, but not learning how to actually operate a radio. Are there any other recommended resources? The book that Gamma762 recommended is decent; I have an older version. However, my suggestion is the classic Divide and Conquer. First, learn the test answers and take the license exams. My method for studying. Yes, there is a lot, but the real learning starts once you are licensed. Just memorize the answers and get licensed. You have the rest of your life to delve into any of the facets of the hobby that interest you. Once you have passed the exams, THEN you can work on operating procedures. It'll take you some time to sort out what radio and associated stuff you want anyway, so no point in diluting your concentration and study time on any of that until you have dealt with the exams. |
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Originally Posted By Emoto: The book that Gamma762 recommended is decent; I have an older version. However, my suggestion is the classic Divide and Conquer. First, learn the test answers and take the license exams. My method for studying. Yes, there is a lot, but the real learning starts once you are licensed. Just memorize the answers and get licensed. You have the rest of your life to delve into any of the facets of the hobby that interest you. Once you have passed the exams, THEN you can work on operating procedures. It'll take you some time to sort out what radio and associated stuff you want anyway, so no point in diluting your concentration and study time on any of that until you have dealt with the exams. Originally Posted By Emoto: Originally Posted By 302w: I am spending some time on Ham Study but there is simply so much to learn. I feel like I'm learning the answers, but not learning how to actually operate a radio. Are there any other recommended resources? The book that Gamma762 recommended is decent; I have an older version. However, my suggestion is the classic Divide and Conquer. First, learn the test answers and take the license exams. My method for studying. Yes, there is a lot, but the real learning starts once you are licensed. Just memorize the answers and get licensed. You have the rest of your life to delve into any of the facets of the hobby that interest you. Once you have passed the exams, THEN you can work on operating procedures. It'll take you some time to sort out what radio and associated stuff you want anyway, so no point in diluting your concentration and study time on any of that until you have dealt with the exams. I'd agree with that. Don't make the licensing more difficult by introducing extraneous information before testing. When the licensing is out of the way then dig in to more information. You might pick up a broader sense of things from the test material by expanding to other options in test prep. As an example I often recommend the Gordon West test prep books, they just always seemed to be effective at getting a lot of information across. Different styles work better for different people so not a universal answer, but trying another test prep option might be helpful. If you do buy a book make sure it's a current one, the test question pools change every 4 years. In the old days the nuts and bolts of operating was mostly learned via the elmer system, and through listening to other on-air traffic. These days there isn't much elmering, youtube is a poor alternative, and most places have next to no local VHF/UHF traffic to listen to. We may be jumping the gun just a little - by "operating" are you talking about the functions of the equipment, or what you say on the radio? |
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Originally Posted By Gamma762: We may be jumping the gun just a little - by "operating" are you talking about the functions of the equipment, or what you say on the radio? I suppose I am looking to learn the extents of what a radio can do and what is most practical. I realize that the "practical" portion might not apply much in the age of redundant cellphone networks, but I have an interest in ham for a prepping perspective. I lived in hurricane devastated areas and always had cellphone service but I like the thought of backups if it won't break the bank. I imagine that I would like to have a home base station as well as a Baofeng type. I'm not sure I will find much interest in Winlink systems or similar as it is beyond my full realm of understanding. |
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Originally Posted By 302w: I suppose I am looking to learn the extents of what a radio can do and what is most practical. I realize that the "practical" portion might not apply much in the age of redundant cellphone networks, but I have an interest in ham for a prepping perspective. I lived in hurricane devastated areas and always had cellphone service but I like the thought of backups if it won't break the bank. I imagine that I would like to have a home base station as well as a Baofeng type. I'm not sure I will find much interest in Winlink systems or similar as it is beyond my full realm of understanding. What a radio can do is highly dependent upon atmospheric conditions. This means that it is not as consistently reliable as wired infrastructure. Those conditions change often during any given day and band. I have spoken with people in Australia on HF from my base in MA with a 100w IC-7300 and an OCFD wire antenna 60' up in the trees of my back yard. That is an example of what is possible when conditions are decent. Using CW (Morse code) extends the range one can reach, as CW is possible even with a very weak signal. No matter what kind of radio, the height of the antenna is helpful in achieving greater range, generally speaking. (there are exceptions that more knowledgeable people may mention) UHF and VHF tend to be more local and shorter range and more or less line of sight only. (there are exceptions) Again, antenna height matters. |
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So I am finally going to do it, what Amazon study guide is the best? Seems this one focuses on the questions: https://a.co/d/0alGzFap This one seems more broad: https://a.co/d/0dYuSjgY Just trying to figure out which would be more help and I’m sure I’m over thinking it but I want to pass the first time 
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Originally Posted By Justinandfreyja: So I am finally going to do it, what Amazon study guide is the best? Seems this one focuses on the questions: https://a.co/d/0alGzFap This one seems more broad: https://a.co/d/0dYuSjgY Just trying to figure out which would be more help and I’m sure I’m over thinking it but I want to pass the first time Different materials are better or worse for different individuals, but I've always liked the Gordon West test study books and think they do a good job of balancing pure test prep with actual understanding in a very readable format. He's been putting together study books for a very long time.   Failed To Load Product Data Make sure you get a new book as the Technician question pool just changed in July 2026. My usual advice is the Gordon West books followed up with hamstudy.org practice tests. |
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An Excellent Youtube resource: W4EEY Courses: https://www.youtube.com/@W4EEY/courses Used their Extra Course to help with some concepts I was having trouble with. A different spin/angle on the material helped immensely. The Technician course material may be the old question pool but the material is still relevant. |
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Originally Posted By CashOnlyLargeBills: Just a thing to note, VE/VECs are not supposed to reveal scores. They are only supposed to disclose if the test was a pass/fail. Originally Posted By NAM: Not sure which org you're referring to, but ARRL requires notifying the examinee of their score. Page 54 of the ARRL VE Manual clearly states: "The VEs must inform the examinee of their grade (pass or fail, and offer his or her score {e.g., 26 out of 35}) upon completion of the grading." I'm a VE accredited with both the ARRL and the Laurel VEC. Been doing it for 7 years and am a Deputy Session Leader with Laurel. As 'NAM' points out, the ARRL's VE *policy* (which applies ONLY to ARRL VEs) requires notification of score in addition to simply 'pass/fail'. I don't think our (governing) Laurel Policy tells us one way or the other and I can't find it in the pdf. When we ran paper exams, our team used to tell the candidate "pass/fail" and then tell them their score. If time allowed and we were asked, we would often review the questions missed and tell the candidate the correct answers. This was especially true for young applicants. Now we are doing digital exams, using ExamTools.Org (or .Com) and the candidate can immediately see their scores. I am not sure if they can return to the questions to see which ones they missed, so I've asked my boss if they can do that, and also what the official Laurel notification policy is. I will post his answers ASAP. *********************** ETA - got answers from the boss: a) Our Laurel VEC Policy allows us to discuss the score and answers with the candidate in addition to just saying "pass/fail". Our Team Policy is that if time permits, we can review individual questions with the candidate. b) Neither the boss nor I know if the candidate can see which answers they got wrong. We (VEs) can see it and my boss tells me that we can/will print it for the candidate if they want to see it. We are going to check next session to see if the candidate can access his graded answer sheet on the digital exam. ****** Edit to paste applicable text from Laurel VEC policy book: 8. Notification of results and retesting. The following sub-tasks are associated with notification of results and retesting. 8.1. Sub-task 8-1 – Promptly notify each applicant of their results including the grade (e.g., number of correct and incorrect questions) of each exam taken as soon as possible after grading is complete. §97.509(h) §97.509(j) 8.1.1. This task is normally performed by the Session Leader but can be performed by other VEs designated by the Session Leader. 8.1.2. VEs should not interrupt an applicant while they are taking an exam to inform them of the result of a previous exam. 8.1.3. If the applicant failed their exam, notification should be done discreetly to reduce any embarrassment to the applicant. 8.1.3.1. VEs may offer the applicant the opportunity to retest a failed exam if the team policy allows retesting. 8.1.3.2. VEs may share the results of the exam with the applicant including which questions were failed and explaining why the applicant’s selected answer was incorrect if they have sufficient VEs and time to do so. Such discussions will not be conducted during the exam session if it requires VEs to be absent from their primary duties. |