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Posted: 1/23/2015 8:33:56 PM EDT
Looking for advice if I should trade my LMT 308 slick side with 16" CL barrel. For a used Larue OBR 16" 308. I like the LMT but thinking the Larue may have better accuracy. I currently have a predatobr in 5.56 and love it and its very accurate so that got me thinking about getting a OBR. Looking for opinions on if I should look into making a deal for the OBR or keep the LMT. Also opinions on if I should wait and try to find a 18" barrel instead of the 16". Currently the 16" barrel in the LMT has not been a issue for me but always figured If it hindered me I could always buy a 18 or 20" barrel if needed with the Larue that isn't a option so want to get opinions on it 16" barrel is enough on a 308.
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If it was me, I would trade.
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"It's amazing what America can do when the Playstation Network is down."
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What is the test target for the ORB vs what your LMT is shooting?
I'm an LT roadie so that was about the only reason I could think of not to trade |
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Haven't seen the test target yet I'm heading to the shop in the morning to check it out. The LMT is getting slightly under 1"
Not sure what LT roadie means...... Thanks for your advice and time. |
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Originally Posted By Ncbmx64:
Haven't seen the test target yet I'm heading to the shop in the morning to check it out. The LMT is getting slightly under 1" Not sure what LT roadie means...... Thanks for your advice and time. View Quote |
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Keep it, my collection is LMT with my one lone OBR in 5.56. The Larue rifles are outstanding, no doubt. After shooting both, the only rifle that comes close to the Larue is the LMT.
My MWS is very accurate, with 168 FGMM it will shoot 3/4" MOA. I would have either one, but since you own it already, keep it. Look at the opposite, why is the other guy trading? I really like the slick side uppers. I have one of the older rifles. 77 |
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I have the LMT and would not trade.
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Even though I am a LT fan, I have to say the proof is in the pudding. Go with where the evidence leads you. If the test target proves better than what you're getting with the LMT then trade. If not, then keep it.
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Well, LMT's have been to war.
Has a OBR ever fired a round in anger? |
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The FUTURE is now
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I have been asked to point out that I am LaRue Tactical's owner.
My work has been used by tens of thousands of US Military personnel, and tens of thousands of civilian shooters - ML |
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Originally Posted By Space-One275:
Because that has any relevance to this thread..... http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130323124354/adventuretimewithfinnandjake/images/d/dc/Meme_face_mad.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Space-One275:
Originally Posted By Garby0331:
Well, LMT's have been to war. Has a OBR ever fired a round in anger? Because that has any relevance to this thread..... http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130323124354/adventuretimewithfinnandjake/images/d/dc/Meme_face_mad.jpg He's asking to trade an issued weapon of war for an untested range toy. I think that's relevant |
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The FUTURE is now
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Originally Posted By Garby0331:
He's asking to trade an issued weapon of war for an untested range toy. I think that's relevant View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Garby0331:
Originally Posted By Space-One275:
Originally Posted By Garby0331:
Well, LMT's have been to war. Has a OBR ever fired a round in anger? Because that has any relevance to this thread..... http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130323124354/adventuretimewithfinnandjake/images/d/dc/Meme_face_mad.jpg He's asking to trade an issued weapon of war for an untested range toy. I think that's relevant ROTFLMAO! I am sorry, I'll stop laughing OK maybe not. I missed that part of the OP's post. Where did he mention wanting a tested and issued "weapon of war." I like that term "weapon of war" WOW! |
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Originally Posted By Garby0331:
He's asking to trade an issued weapon of war for an untested range toy. I think that's relevant View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Garby0331:
Originally Posted By Space-One275:
Originally Posted By Garby0331:
Well, LMT's have been to war. Has a OBR ever fired a round in anger? Because that has any relevance to this thread..... http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130323124354/adventuretimewithfinnandjake/images/d/dc/Meme_face_mad.jpg He's asking to trade an issued weapon of war for an untested range toy. I think that's relevant Strangely I've never seen an LMT in combat or even heard anyone talk about one but Larue on the other hand... |
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Originally Posted By sea2summit:
Strangely I've never seen an LMT in combat or even heard anyone talk about one but Larue on the other hand... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By sea2summit:
Originally Posted By Garby0331:
Originally Posted By Space-One275:
Originally Posted By Garby0331:
Well, LMT's have been to war. Has a OBR ever fired a round in anger? Because that has any relevance to this thread..... http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130323124354/adventuretimewithfinnandjake/images/d/dc/Meme_face_mad.jpg He's asking to trade an issued weapon of war for an untested range toy. I think that's relevant Strangely I've never seen an LMT in combat or even heard anyone talk about one but Larue on the other hand... LMTs are issued by the Brits right now, as the L129A1. |
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NorCal-LEO: "I think we can blow out the saint candle and take the teddybears and fake flowers off the telephone pole."
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Originally Posted By tackleberry1145:
Agreed. I see the fanboys have arrived. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By tackleberry1145:
Originally Posted By alaskajetpilot:
I have the LMT and would not trade. Agreed. I see the fanboys have arrived. Says the fanboy. |
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I have been asked to point out that I am LaRue Tactical's owner.
My work has been used by tens of thousands of US Military personnel, and tens of thousands of civilian shooters - ML |
Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Says the fanboy. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By tackleberry1145:
Originally Posted By alaskajetpilot:
I have the LMT and would not trade. Agreed. I see the fanboys have arrived. Says the fanboy. If you say so. I have a good piece of equipment and would see no need to trade for something similar. |
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NorCal-LEO: "I think we can blow out the saint candle and take the teddybears and fake flowers off the telephone pole."
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Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
OBRs have no emotion chip. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By Garby0331:
Well, LMT's have been to war. Has a OBR ever fired a round in anger? OBRs have no emotion chip. The MWS owners sure do. |
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Originally Posted By Jeepsnguns81:
LMTs are issued by the Brits right now, as the L129A1. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Jeepsnguns81:
Originally Posted By sea2summit:
Originally Posted By Garby0331:
Originally Posted By Space-One275:
Originally Posted By Garby0331:
Well, LMT's have been to war. Has a OBR ever fired a round in anger? Because that has any relevance to this thread..... http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130323124354/adventuretimewithfinnandjake/images/d/dc/Meme_face_mad.jpg He's asking to trade an issued weapon of war for an untested range toy. I think that's relevant Strangely I've never seen an LMT in combat or even heard anyone talk about one but Larue on the other hand... LMTs are issued by the Brits right now, as the L129A1. Well that^ explains your confusion. |
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Originally Posted By tackleberry1145:
If you say so. I have a good piece of equipment and would see no need to trade for something similar. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By tackleberry1145:
Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By tackleberry1145:
Originally Posted By alaskajetpilot:
I have the LMT and would not trade. Agreed. I see the fanboys have arrived. Says the fanboy. If you say so. I have a good piece of equipment and would see no need to trade for something similar. Just pointing out the irony - fanboys are the first to throw out the word fanboy. |
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I have been asked to point out that I am LaRue Tactical's owner.
My work has been used by tens of thousands of US Military personnel, and tens of thousands of civilian shooters - ML |
Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Just pointing out the irony - fanboys are the first to throw out the word fanboy. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By tackleberry1145:
Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By tackleberry1145:
Originally Posted By alaskajetpilot:
I have the LMT and would not trade. Agreed. I see the fanboys have arrived. Says the fanboy. If you say so. I have a good piece of equipment and would see no need to trade for something similar. Just pointing out the irony - fanboys are the first to throw out the word fanboy. Not sure how I am a LMT fanboy when I merely stated that I have a good piece of equipment and would see no need to trade for something similar. |
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NorCal-LEO: "I think we can blow out the saint candle and take the teddybears and fake flowers off the telephone pole."
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Originally Posted By tackleberry1145:
<snip> I see the fanboys have arrived. View Quote Yeah, you were the first to execute your "fanboy" button. FWIW, my observation of lovers of the word "fanboy" is it fluffs their shoulders and strengthens their argument's position. Ride strong with it. |
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I have been asked to point out that I am LaRue Tactical's owner.
My work has been used by tens of thousands of US Military personnel, and tens of thousands of civilian shooters - ML |
Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Yeah, you were the first to execute your "fanboy" button. FWIW, my observation of lovers of the word "fanboy" is it fluffs their shoulders and strengthens their argument's position. Ride strong with it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By tackleberry1145:
<snip> I see the fanboys have arrived. Yeah, you were the first to execute your "fanboy" button. FWIW, my observation of lovers of the word "fanboy" is it fluffs their shoulders and strengthens their argument's position. Ride strong with it. Ok. Not sure I need to strengthen my argument past the post I made stating 'I have a good piece of equipment and would see no need to trade for something similar'. My initial reply in this thread was in response to the two posts immediately prior to mine. FWIW, your observations really don't mean a whole bunch to me, as I am sure mine don't to you. |
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NorCal-LEO: "I think we can blow out the saint candle and take the teddybears and fake flowers off the telephone pole."
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I wouldn't trade off a good rifle for a different rifle of the same type. I don't see how the OBR would be an improvment over the LMT.
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I have a guy on my payroll that has owned about every firearm that's ever been made, but the funny thing is he never owns more than 2 or 3 firearms at any one time.
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I have been asked to point out that I am LaRue Tactical's owner.
My work has been used by tens of thousands of US Military personnel, and tens of thousands of civilian shooters - ML |
We are in a race to the bottom, and everyone is cutting in line to get there
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Originally Posted by sea2summit
Well that^ explains your confusion. <a href="http://s29.photobucket.com/user/sea2summit1/media/merica_zps3i6ydvtq.png.html" target="_blank">http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c271/sea2summit1/merica_zps3i6ydvtq.png</a> View Quote Using that argument neither has seen combat in 'Merica. LMT did manage to beat out some quality guns to win the UK contract. As far as I know LaRue has never competed for a Mil contract. |
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Boy has this thread become convoluted.......
Looking forward to the OP's conclusion and why. |
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LaRues are addictive.
I found a great deal on a PredatOBR in 5.56, great rifle. Smooth and has a fantastic trigger. Then what happens, I convince myself I was really looking for a .308, so.....yeah you see this coming (especially after shooting it at the range, sea2summit's fault), I buy a PredatOBR in .308. The .308 just arrived and we are getting snow on Saturday, looks like I will just have to get a little cold this weekend. |
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I shot a 2.9 inch group today at 600 yards with my 16in 7.62 PredatOBR. Just sayin.....
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Terminal Velocity
Git it ? |
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I have been asked to point out that I am LaRue Tactical's owner.
My work has been used by tens of thousands of US Military personnel, and tens of thousands of civilian shooters - ML |
Originally Posted By sea2summit:
Probably missed the bullseye so it doesn't matter View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By sea2summit:
Originally Posted By burntcrispy:
I shot a 2.9 inch group today at 600 yards with my 16in 7.62 PredatOBR. Just sayin..... Probably missed the bullseye so it doesn't matter 5 shots, 2 hit my "bullseye" (ring was 0.75 MOA) using a 16 power scope. So I only made a hit 40%. All would have been a kill shot on a deer/hog/whatever. I wasn't shooting for groups, only to true my ballistic software so I only shot one group at each distance. I'd never shot this far with this rifle. 600 yards is the longest that this range has. I should have taken a pic. 3 of the holes were a little under 1 inch but the other 2 were wide. I always take every shot no matter if one is a "flyer". Now, I'm only using once fired LC brass (bought off internet) loaded to 2.80, 175 SMK and Norma 203B. I wonder what this rifle would do with high end brass and if I would take the time to try multiple bullets/weights and multiple powders. I'm satisfied as is . At no point did my groups leave an 8.5/11in paper (laying sideways) at all distances. I wish I could say the same of my bolt gun but the ballistics software was about 5-6 inches off on that gun. Hitting the bullseye was pure luck as they ballistic software hadn't been trued yet. I got very lucky because the software was pretty much on at all distances to 600. After truing my ballistics app I'm confident that I can headshot an IPSC target up to 600 yards (depending on wind of course. today was light rain and almost no wind). Actually, today was almost ideal to true my software because the wind was minimal although there was always mist and light rain so seeing the target was sometime kind of tough. I'm by far no expert in long range shooting but I am a very active IPSC/3gun shooter. Before I left today I put a small water bottle (500ml ?) on a stand at 300. I didn't go farther because I was too lazy to drive all the way down to 600 and set it up. Dead center hit, too easy . |
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Originally Posted By Jus_Ad_Bellum:
I wish my low sn obr had the quick change barrel/take down :( View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Jus_Ad_Bellum:
none of the obrs have quick change barrels,sell it and order up a tobr if you want take down ability pete |
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Originally Posted By icecold1: none of the obrs have quick change barrels,sell it and order up a tobr if you want take down ability pete View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By icecold1: Originally Posted By Jus_Ad_Bellum: none of the obrs have quick change barrels,sell it and order up a tobr if you want take down ability pete |
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Smart trade. Do it.
16" Barrel covers about any shooting that the 99% shoot |
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What about just buying a SS LMT barrel for yours since you are comparing a SS OBR to a CL LMT. FWIW, I own an 18" OBR and it shoot lights out but, I've also read some good reports from the LMT SS barrels.
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Originally Posted By akethan:
The MWS owners sure do. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By akethan:
Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By Garby0331:
Well, LMT's have been to war. Has a OBR ever fired a round in anger? OBRs have no emotion chip. The MWS owners sure do. That's rich coming from the famously histrionics-prone LaRue fan base. Both are great guns, but taking the finantial hit on the MWS makes no since to me, when you could buy the SS barrel and (for roughly the same money) have a gun as accurate as an OBR, but with a spare CL barrel (for classes, hunting etc). |
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Originally Posted By Toxie:
That's rich coming from the famously histrionics-prone LaRue fan base. Both are great guns, but taking the finantial hit on the MWS makes no since to me, when you could buy the SS barrel and (for roughly the same money) have a gun as accurate as an OBR, but with a spare CL barrel (for classes, hunting etc). View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Toxie:
Originally Posted By akethan:
Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By Garby0331:
Well, LMT's have been to war. Has a OBR ever fired a round in anger? OBRs have no emotion chip. The MWS owners sure do. That's rich coming from the famously histrionics-prone LaRue fan base. Both are great guns, but taking the finantial hit on the MWS makes no since to me, when you could buy the SS barrel and (for roughly the same money) have a gun as accurate as an OBR, but with a spare CL barrel (for classes, hunting etc). Spare barrels are also great for hunting apps so if you want some long range shooting you can do a 20" or if you want to chase pigs through the swamps put a 14.5" on. Great versatility. |
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Originally Posted By BurtSaun1049: You do realize lots of SOF guys, the AMU, and other folks have been using OBRs for a while. IIRC, the International Sniper Comp has been won by teams fielding OBRs. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By BurtSaun1049: Originally Posted By Garby0331: Well, LMT's have been to war. Has a OBR ever fired a round in anger? You do realize lots of SOF guys, the AMU, and other folks have been using OBRs for a while. IIRC, the International Sniper Comp has been won by teams fielding OBRs. SOF does whatever SOF wants, obviously, but they also have been know to have GAP10s at the competitions. What they use overseas, no idea, I have never seen any evidence either way, safe assumption would be KAC rifles, as they can be found through military channels. Who else uses OBRs overseas? Honest question. |
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“But rifle marksmanship is the true Zen. Perfect trigger control and reset is the true enlightenment. A clear front sight post is the closest you can come to seeing God. “
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Well, Clarice, have the lambs stopped screaming
MO, USA
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Originally Posted By ACPjunkie:
I dont think the AMU deploys as a unit, and they probably wont be taking the unit weapons with them when the members catch deployments with other units. So the fact that the AMU may have OBRs is irrelevant. SOF does whatever SOF wants, obviously, but they also have been know to have GAP10s at the competitions. What they use overseas, no idea, I have never seen any evidence either way, safe assumption would be KAC rifles, as they can be found through military channels. Who else uses OBRs overseas? Honest question. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By ACPjunkie:
Originally Posted By BurtSaun1049:
Originally Posted By Garby0331:
Well, LMT's have been to war. Has a OBR ever fired a round in anger? You do realize lots of SOF guys, the AMU, and other folks have been using OBRs for a while. IIRC, the International Sniper Comp has been won by teams fielding OBRs. Who else uses OBRs overseas? Honest question. SOF guys do, don't think any other nations do. Brits had some for testing before they went LMT I think? I can say KACs have a fairly high number of issues out of the box to include whatever color that is supposed to be that they paint them. Takes some work to get one running like it should. |
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Originally Posted By ACPjunkie:
I dont think the AMU deploys as a unit, and they probably wont be taking the unit weapons with them when the members catch deployments with other units. So the fact that the AMU may have OBRs is irrelevant. SOF does whatever SOF wants, obviously, but they also have been know to have GAP10s at the competitions. What they use overseas, no idea, I have never seen any evidence either way, safe assumption would be KAC rifles, as they can be found through military channels. Who else uses OBRs overseas? Honest question. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By ACPjunkie:
Originally Posted By BurtSaun1049:
Originally Posted By Garby0331:
Well, LMT's have been to war. Has a OBR ever fired a round in anger? You do realize lots of SOF guys, the AMU, and other folks have been using OBRs for a while. IIRC, the International Sniper Comp has been won by teams fielding OBRs. Who else uses OBRs overseas? Honest question. I don't think there's any first hand evidence that LaRue rifles are used overseas by US SOF. LaRue fans can claim that LaRue rifles are used in sniper competitions, as well as other non hostile environments. GAP rifles, JP rifles, and other brands are also used. To be honest, if there was any evidence that LaRue rifles were used by US SOF, I'm pretty sure the LaRue fans would be crowing about it from the internet rooftops. |
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Why did the Brits take the LMT over the OBR then?
And I wasnt implying that SOF uses COTS KAC guns, KAC M110's and MK11's are pretty standard in the military as a whole. Most arms rooms that support a sniper section or DMR MTOE will have KAC guns in it. So issues or not, its what is easily available. |
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“But rifle marksmanship is the true Zen. Perfect trigger control and reset is the true enlightenment. A clear front sight post is the closest you can come to seeing God. “
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Originally Posted By MichaelVain: I don't think there's any first hand evidence that LaRue rifles are used overseas by US SOF. LaRue fans can claim that LaRue rifles are used in sniper competitions, as well as other non hostile environments. GAP rifles, JP rifles, and other brands are also used. To be honest, if there was any evidence that LaRue rifles were used by US SOF, I'm pretty sure the LaRue fans would be crowing about it from the internet rooftops. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By MichaelVain: Originally Posted By ACPjunkie: Originally Posted By BurtSaun1049: Originally Posted By Garby0331: Well, LMT's have been to war. Has a OBR ever fired a round in anger? You do realize lots of SOF guys, the AMU, and other folks have been using OBRs for a while. IIRC, the International Sniper Comp has been won by teams fielding OBRs. Who else uses OBRs overseas? Honest question. I don't think there's any first hand evidence that LaRue rifles are used overseas by US SOF. LaRue fans can claim that LaRue rifles are used in sniper competitions, as well as other non hostile environments. GAP rifles, JP rifles, and other brands are also used. To be honest, if there was any evidence that LaRue rifles were used by US SOF, I'm pretty sure the LaRue fans would be crowing about it from the internet rooftops. |
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“But rifle marksmanship is the true Zen. Perfect trigger control and reset is the true enlightenment. A clear front sight post is the closest you can come to seeing God. “
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Well, Clarice, have the lambs stopped screaming
MO, USA
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Originally Posted By ACPjunkie:
Why did the Brits take the LMT over the OBR then? And I wasnt implying that SOF uses COTS KAC guns, KAC M110's and MK11's are pretty standard in the military as a whole. Most arms rooms that support a sniper section or DMR MTOE will have KAC guns in it. So issues or not, its what is easily available. View Quote I'd bet because LMT had other calibers already out and manufacturing capabilities but that is a pure guess on my part. And I'm not sure LT's where in the test lineup. |
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Originally Posted By sea2summit:
I'd bet because LMT had other calibers already out and manufacturing capabilities but that is a pure guess on my part. And I'm not sure LT's where in the test lineup. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By sea2summit:
Originally Posted By ACPjunkie:
Why did the Brits take the LMT over the OBR then? And I wasnt implying that SOF uses COTS KAC guns, KAC M110's and MK11's are pretty standard in the military as a whole. Most arms rooms that support a sniper section or DMR MTOE will have KAC guns in it. So issues or not, its what is easily available. I'd bet because LMT had other calibers already out and manufacturing capabilities but that is a pure guess on my part. And I'm not sure LT's where in the test lineup. I have never heard any mention of them participating. Here is an article that discusses the trial. http://www.sadefensejournal.com/wp/?p=907 |
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