OFFICIAL 6.5 CREEDMOOR PRECISION LOAD RECIPE THREAD (Page 3 of 5)
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Originally Posted By right_rudder:
Anybody got a recipe for hornady 147gr and RE16 for a gas gun? ive been running my standard 42.3 RE16 but interested in what others are running in a gas gun with these components. As far as I can tell H's 147 and 143 are the same external dimensions, but I suspect the 143 is lighter due to a thicker copper jacket for the hunting application. So they both have the same bearing surface and seating behavior, and the 143 pressure isn't going to be that much less than the 147. And on that note, 42.6 is pretty much the max charge of Re16 I can get into a Hornady casing, before the seating steam starts deforming the bullet. Other brand casings like Alpha and Lapua, won't be able to do it. I have to drop almost 2.5 gr of powder when using Alfa, because it just won't fit. And on a final note, 42.6 gr is pretty hot. That's somewhere around 2750 fps in a 24" RPR, and moving strong in a 20" AR10 as well. Primers are pretty flat, head-smear hint's starting to show up, and a little dimple extrusion back into the firing-pin channel. I wouldn't go any hotter, and in reality, 42.3 is probably a more reasonable load. It's just in my tests, 42.6 seemed to be where it singed the best for me, and got me the uber-velocity I was wanting. This guy went all the way up to 43, though I don't know how he got it to fit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQViK-L2KU8 |
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Originally Posted By lazyengineer: I run 42.6, with the 143's at mag length, and 42.6 as well with the 147's in AI mag-length for the RPR. Beware - that's hot. As far as I can tell H's 147 and 143 are the same external dimensions, but I suspect the 143 is lighter due to a thicker copper jacket for the hunting application. So they both have the same bearing surface and seating behavior, and the 143 pressure isn't going to be that much less than the 147. And on that note, 42.6 is pretty much the max charge of Re16 I can get into a Hornady casing, before the seating steam starts deforming the bullet. Other brand casings like Alpha and Lapua, won't be able to do it. I have to drop almost 2.5 gr of powder when using Alfa, because it just won't fit. And on a final note, 42.6 gr is pretty hot. That's somewhere around 2750 fps in a 24" RPR, and moving strong in a 20" AR10 as well. Primers are pretty flat, head-smear hint's starting to show up, and a little dimple extrusion back into the firing-pin channel. I wouldn't go any hotter, and in reality, 42.3 is probably a more reasonable load. It's just in my tests, 42.6 seemed to be where it singed the best for me, and got me the uber-velocity I was wanting. This guy went all the way up to 43, though I don't know how he got it to fit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQViK-L2KU8 |
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quick side note...
Does Starline anneal their 6.5CM brass? I just bought 100 and can't see where they anneal. If so they must have polished it out. brass tarnishes real quick also. Anybody have experience with the Starline brass? Also has anyone worked up some good loads or had any success with Hogden Superformance powder? Looks like most folks are using H4350. The superformance is $5-$6 cheaper a pounds where I'm at. |
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Data dump: some load development for a PSA PA-65 20" BBL AR. My goal was to find budget 6.5CM loads that would shoot; and if possible, do so with cheap light bullets and budget AR15/.223 speed powders. Goal is sub MOA, but the barrel is new and still being broken in, and these tests were done using a WalMart scope, and shot so fast the mirage was moving the target around due to barrel heat; probably capable of better than reported here. Factory ammo: Fed 140 gr Non-Typical: 1.0 MOA (0.36 MOA MR) 2618 fps Fed 140 gr Fusion: 1.3 MOA (0.3 MR) 2614 fps Premium bullet and powder: Hornady 143gr ELD hunting bullet 42.6 gr Re16 : 1.2 MOA (0.4 MR) 2707 fps (hot load) Premium light bullet with budget AR15 speed powder: Hornady 95 gr V-MAX hunting bullet 40.5 gr IMR4064: 0.7 MOA (0.3 MR) 2950 fps (nice! but some shoulder smear) 41.7 gr IMR4064: 1.0 MOA (0.4 MR) 3037 fps (P looks fine, but shoulder smear from ejection) 42.6 gr MP530 : 1.4 MOA (0.6 MR) 2873 fps 43.1 gr MP530 : 1.2 MOA (0.4 MR) 2905 fps Budget heavy bullet, with cheap powders - Speer 140 gr spitzer SP reloads 35.8 gr IMR4064 : 1.8 MOA (0.6 MR) 2505 fps 36.5 gr IMR4064 : 1.7 MOA (0.7MR) 2553 fps 36.0 gr MP530 : 2.3 MOA (0.9 MR) 2454 fps 37.5 gr MP530 : 1.8 MOA (0.6 MR) 2538 (Conclusion, this bullet with this powder doesn't really work) Budget bullet, with cheap powder - Speer 90 gr TNT bullet - load purpose being absolute lowest cost 6.5 CM ammo for consuming AR15 speed powders: reloaded cost = 29 cents/round) 41.8 gr MP530 : 1.6 MOA (0.7 MR) 3094 fps (odd velocity result) 42.4 gr MP530 : 1.4 MOA (0.6 MR) ---- 42.8 gr MP530 : 1.8 MOA (0.6 MR) 2935 fps 43.2 gr MP530 : 1.2 MOA (0.5 MR) 3061 fps (not bad) 39.5 gr ARCOMP : 1.3 MOA (0.5 MR) 2905 fps (shoulders hit during ejection and smeared) 42.3 gr ARCOMP : 1.1 MOA (0.4 MR) 3317 fps (WOAH, too hot - shoulders hit hard) 40.0 gr IMR4064 : 1.5 MOA (0.6 MR) 2818 fps 42.0 gr IMR4064 : 1.6 MOA (0.6 MR) 3038 fps (Conclusion: we can make this work. Near 1 MOA plinking ammo for 30 cents.)[/color] |
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Originally Posted By JoeMal:
I'm looking for semi auto loads, it would be nice if we had a separate thread Specifically around Ballistic Advantage Premium barrel, Aero receiver and BCG 142 SMK, 41.4gr H4350, Fed 210, Hornady brass. BTO 2.2085 130 AR Hybrid, 42.1 H4350, Fed 210, Hornady brass. BTO 2.1850 All of those loads have gone sub .6moa in 3 BA 22” barrels. But, as always, work up safely for your barrel. |
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Originally Posted By SuperJlarge:
140 eld-m’s, 41.4-4.16gr H4350, Fed210, Hornady brass. BTO 2.1945 142 SMK, 41.4gr H4350, Fed 210, Hornady brass. BTO 2.2085 130 AR Hybrid, 42.1 H4350, Fed 210, Hornady brass. BTO 2.1850 All of those loads have gone sub .6moa in 3 BA 22” barrels. But, as always, work up safely for your barrel. Originally Posted By SuperJlarge:
Originally Posted By JoeMal:
I'm looking for semi auto loads, it would be nice if we had a separate thread Specifically around Ballistic Advantage Premium barrel, Aero receiver and BCG 142 SMK, 41.4gr H4350, Fed 210, Hornady brass. BTO 2.2085 130 AR Hybrid, 42.1 H4350, Fed 210, Hornady brass. BTO 2.1850 All of those loads have gone sub .6moa in 3 BA 22” barrels. But, as always, work up safely for your barrel. |
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Originally Posted By Crazyhorse26:
AR10 18” Criterion SS barrel 130 Sierra Game Changer Hornady Brass CCI BR2 primers 43.1 grains of IMR 4451 2.790” OACL Sub MOA at 100 yards and 13 out of 15 hits at 750 yards on a 3/4 scale steel silloutte. |
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I'm hesitant to put this one on here, but I assume most folks know to work up to a load.
This is a warm handload. 42.9gr of RL16 142SMK Hornady brass, necks turned 210m primer .015 off lands 2.81" COAL 2,890fps , SD=6 |
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Originally Posted By rob78:
I'm hesitant to put this one on here, but I assume most folks know to work up to a load. This is a warm handload. 42.9gr of RL16 Hornady brass, necks turned 210m primer .015 off lands 2.81" COAL 2,890fps , SD=6 |
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Originally Posted By Ironmaker:
Bullet? Originally Posted By Ironmaker:
Originally Posted By rob78:
I'm hesitant to put this one on here, but I assume most folks know to work up to a load. This is a warm handload. 42.9gr of RL16 Hornady brass, necks turned 210m primer .015 off lands 2.81" COAL 2,890fps , SD=6 Sorry, 142smk |
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Originally Posted By Gage:
I ordered an ultimate upper kit on New Years Eve but it hasn't shipped yet. How long did you have to wait for yours? Yeah, in their warehouse. I live 30 min from storefront. So, in 3-5 days it should be at store. It's the Ruger American Predator in 6.5 Txl |
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Originally Posted By JoeMal:
I'm looking for semi auto loads, it would be nice if we had a separate thread Specifically around Ballistic Advantage Premium barrel, Aero receiver and BCG |
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Originally Posted By JoeMal:
I'm looking for semi auto loads, it would be nice if we had a separate thread Specifically around Ballistic Advantage Premium barrel, Aero receiver and BCG |
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Originally Posted By HaveBlue83:
1:8 savage 10fcp-SR box mag. 1 week old. approx 25rnds down the pipe. Hnady 130gr ELD-M38.0gr Varget2.800 OAL 2750 fps consistant good groups. should get me to 1200 just fine and wont wear out the barrel like 2900fps will. just used what i saw here and what i had on hand. thx guys! going to 1000yd range this weekend. I AM SEEING 2660 FPS IN THE M1A WITH THIS LOAD. I was able to put a few layers of electrical tape on the sharp corner on the charging handle where the brass gets dented, and now my brass looks fine. I am now OVER 50rnds through it and I see no signs of abuse, and the load shoots fine. |
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Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:
Anybody use hornady 147s and H4350? How do you like it? |
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Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:
Anybody use hornady 147s and H4350? How do you like it? Maybe after a couple more k rounds I’ll replace the factory barrel and see if it will shoot then? |
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Originally Posted By mustb123: Pretty common winner. My Tikka likes them in Alpha brass. 10 shot groups in the .4-.7moa range. It holds 1 moa out to 1k. Maybe after a couple more k rounds I’ll replace the factory barrel and see if it will shoot then? Thanks! |
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Originally Posted By newBMowner:
@mustb123 This is the exact combination (Alpha Brass & 147gr ELD match) that I am looking to try in my Tikka. Alpha brass is quite heavy and I haven't tried the 147s before in any other rifles. Alpha says to back off your normal load by 3-4grs of powder!...but I don't have a "normal" load yet since I haven't ever used the 147s. Do you mind sharing where you're at with respect to Powder Charge and COAL (and velocity if you have an idea)? I will of course back off and work up in my rifle etc. But a ballpark idea of where to look closely would be appreciated. Thanks! Originally Posted By newBMowner:
@mustb123 Originally Posted By mustb123: Pretty common winner. My Tikka likes them in Alpha brass. 10 shot groups in the .4-.7moa range. It holds 1 moa out to 1k. Maybe after a couple more k rounds I’ll replace the factory barrel and see if it will shoot then? Thanks! No problem - as you said, start a bit lower and work up. I'm no expert with retrieving data from the magneto-speed, but I found a few from when I was working up the 147's. Alpha LRP (I'm now working up a SRP set). H4350 @ 41.6gr (no pictures of the scale..... COAL @ 2.888" Speed ended up @ 2625 I like 10 shot strings, but sometimes go down to 3 or 5 to explore. Again, the current combo does better than this, but this is real world work up - it ain't pretty sometimes. 
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@VooDoo3dfx Thanks again to @mustb123 for helping me get a ballpark on where to look! Since I had a hard time finding any data on the combination I was planning to try I am going to attempt to put together what I discovered while loading Hornady 147gr ELD Match bullets with Alpha Brass*, and H4350. *Alpha brass is heavier than other brass (and from what I've read doesn’t really show typical pressure signs), and the folks at Alpha suggested that I start off 3-4grs low on the powder and work up using a chronograph. Since I had never used the 147s before (or any of Alpha's brass) I couldn’t do this... and just had to start way low and work up. Here is the data I gathered. Maybe it can be useful to others. As always…start low and use the usual precautions. Rifle: Tikka T3X Tac A1 (24" barrel) w/YHM M2 Brass: Alpha (LR Primer 6.5CM) Primer: Fed 210M Powder: H4350 Bullet: Hornady 147gr ELD Match COL: 2.920” (~0.01” off the lands in my rifle) Temp: 85-89 deg F Attached File The following velocities were measured ~10ft from the muzzle. Most were an average of 4 shots at the specified powder charges, but on some of the low and high charges I just loaded a single round in order to get a ballpark of where the velocity was headed. Attached File Attached File Not that this matters to anyone else since it is from my specific rifle, but here is what the Optimal Charge Weight spacing for these 10 groups looks like as the increasing powder charges march up the paper: Attached File Between 9 & 10 is where I'm going to look next... ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ As a reference, I also chronographed 3rds of Factory Hornady 147gr ELD Match Ammo in my rifle --> 2653, 2692, and 2705 = Avg: 2683 fps Attached File |
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Originally Posted By newBMowner:
@mustb123 This is the exact combination (Alpha Brass & 147gr ELD match) that I am looking to try in my Tikka. Alpha brass is quite heavy and I haven't tried the 147s before in any other rifles. Alpha says to back off your normal load by 3-4grs of powder!...but I don't have a "normal" load yet since I haven't ever used the 147s. Do you mind sharing where you're at with respect to Powder Charge and COAL (and velocity if you have an idea)? I will of course back off and work up in my rifle etc. But a ballpark idea of where to look closely would be appreciated. Thanks! 147 ELD-M 2.810" 39.0 gr H-4350 Alpha brass Fed 210 M Damn 5th round flier opened the group up to .300" 
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24” Barrel 1/8 twist 140 ELD Match ogive 2.220 H4350 42.3 gr. 2849 fps es-4 .5 moa (Cases were made out of fire formed .243 Remington) |
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Originally Posted By quietm4:
Anybody running a Bergara B14 Ridge? I'm hoping to find the best starting point in load development. I'm just getting into reloading, and if anyone has suggest a starting load recipe, I'd appreciate any input you have. I'd guess just about any 140 class bullet, Lapua/Alpha brass, and ~40.5gr of H4350 would be a great starting point. You'll probably end up tuned in on powder somewhere around the 41-41.5gr area. I'd start at .020" off to find the powder node, then start it .005 off and work back in .003" increments until you hit ~.040" off. You'll find something that bugholes them. |
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Originally Posted By SuperDutyMikeMc: The benefit of the 6.5 Creedmoor (and other more recent cartridges) is that the SAAMI reamers are all setup correctly, thus there's very few 'custom' chambers floating around out there for the 6.5CM. I'd guess just about any 140 class bullet, Lapua/Alpha brass, and ~40.5gr of H4350 would be a great starting point. You'll probably end up tuned in on powder somewhere around the 41-41.5gr area. I'd start at .020" off to find the powder node, then start it .005 off and work back in .003" increments until you hit ~.040" off. You'll find something that bugholes them. Is there anyone online who sells sample packs, or some qty smaller than 100 bullets? Maybe 50 or less? I know 100 is very expensive, but I'd rather not have to load/shoot through 80 rounds that I know don't shoot very well. |
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Originally Posted By quietm4:
That's what I was thinking as well...most videos I can find online show the best groups at 40.5-41.5 gr, H4350 seems to be the preferred powder. I know 140 ELD-M is a good bullet, but I also plan to try out the 143 and the new 130 hybrids, just to be sure. Is there anyone online who sells sample packs, or some qty smaller than 100 bullets? Maybe 50 or less? I know 100 is very expensive, but I'd rather not have to load/shoot through 80 rounds that I know don't shoot very well. Originally Posted By quietm4:
Originally Posted By SuperDutyMikeMc: The benefit of the 6.5 Creedmoor (and other more recent cartridges) is that the SAAMI reamers are all setup correctly, thus there's very few 'custom' chambers floating around out there for the 6.5CM. I'd guess just about any 140 class bullet, Lapua/Alpha brass, and ~40.5gr of H4350 would be a great starting point. You'll probably end up tuned in on powder somewhere around the 41-41.5gr area. I'd start at .020" off to find the powder node, then start it .005 off and work back in .003" increments until you hit ~.040" off. You'll find something that bugholes them. Is there anyone online who sells sample packs, or some qty smaller than 100 bullets? Maybe 50 or less? I know 100 is very expensive, but I'd rather not have to load/shoot through 80 rounds that I know don't shoot very well. |
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Hornady brass, Federal 210M, 140 ELD 43.4-43.6 grains RL16. 2830-2850 fps depending on powder lot #.
Same components with `147 grain ELD, 42.7 grains RL16, 2750 fps. Both shoot 0.55-0.6 MOA at 500 and 1000 yards ES if I do my part. Note,, this is with a Tikka T3X CTR which has a very long throat. OCL 2.895-2.900. |
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Is anyone using the 144 grain Berger yet?
I have some loaded up w RL 16 but have not chronographed them yet. I am curious if they will be more like a 140 or 147? they appear to be more of a secant ogive than the ELD even though they are listed as a hybrid. In my rifle I dont jam the lands until 3.0145 inch. (The Tikka has a long throat). I can seat out to 2.9 or even 2.920 but thats still a lot of jump. More like a Nosler RDF than an ELD for sure. |
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Originally Posted By YoteSlayer69:
Any Staball data...Hope I didn't screw up ordering 8 pounds....Could not find any 4350 or RL16...And hope this will give good results Attached File 140g Hornady ELDm Federal once fired brass Federal primer 43.1g StaBall 6.5 2735 av FPS ES:16 SD:8.1 |
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Originally Posted By esa17:
I’m starting to work into a good group. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/232306/EE250574-396D-4960-BBA6-69F24D37E82A_jpe-1323619.JPG 140g Hornady ELDm Federal once fired brass Federal primer 43.1g StaBall 6.5 2735 av FPS ES:16 SD:8.1 |
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Originally Posted By divermedic68: My loadings that are a small cluster (.389" groupings) at 107 yards. Hornandy match brass FL sized Trimmed to 1.910 CCI LRP 42.9gr of IMR 4451 Hornandy 143gr ELD-X projectile. 2770 fps out of a 24" 1/8 twist savage barrel. Load is nice and warm. Please load up to this loading. I read through this thread about a dozen times and missed this load every time till today. I loaded in hornady brass, 2.920" oal (.020" off the lands) and worked up to 42.9 gr. Shot a .54" group. My velocity was around 2720 fps as I have a 22" barrel on my TC Compass rifle. |
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Anyone have some pet loads for 123 gr bullets? I have a bunch of Nosler CC 123 gr HPBT that I bought for my Grendel. I don't shoot the Grendel much so I thought I would try some through my Creedmoor. These would be shot through a RPR. |
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