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Posted: 10/21/2023 1:49:20 PM EDT










Link Posted: 10/21/2023 1:53:46 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/21/2023 1:57:17 PM EDT
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Not yet. It hasn’t been “officially” released yet, but I would imagine that the ballistics will be similar to slightly better than the 224Valkyrie. A 22 grendel offers about 100-150fps faster velocity than the 224Valkyrie, which is where this should fall as well.
Link Posted: 10/21/2023 2:15:39 PM EDT
[#3]
It looks sort of like a Grendel case necked down to 22.  Longer bullets wouldn't have to be single loaded, nor would they intrude so much into the powder capacity of the cartridge case.

I guess manufacturers have to keep inventing "new" cartridges and creating a "need" for them so people will feel compelled to buy the latest, greatest, whiz-bang cartridge of the moment.

Link Posted: 10/21/2023 2:21:23 PM EDT
[#4]
I'm surprised it took this long. I never understood why Alexander didn't do 6mm and 22 versions of the Grendel.
Link Posted: 10/21/2023 7:53:09 PM EDT
[#5]
Another solution in search of a problem.
Link Posted: 10/21/2023 8:38:53 PM EDT
[#6]
Makes sense I guess, but having a 6 ARC I don’t see a reason for one. I suppose for coyote hunting or something with thermals where you want a really flat shooter it would make sense.
Link Posted: 10/22/2023 9:44:28 AM EDT
[#7]
That could be fun!
Link Posted: 10/22/2023 3:43:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By bluedog82:
Makes sense I guess, but having a 6 ARC I don’t see a reason for one. I suppose for coyote hunting or something with thermals where you want a really flat shooter it would make sense.
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Cheaper bullets are nice too. One of the reasons the various 22 variants are popular.
Link Posted: 10/22/2023 7:00:23 PM EDT
[#9]
I had a Sako .22PPC back in the day that was extremely accurate. I regret selling it but life gets in the way. It was super accurate with 52gr flat base bullets in the 24” 1-14” twist. I have often wondered what it would have done with a better twist rate.
Link Posted: 10/23/2023 9:30:49 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/23/2023 9:41:59 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/23/2023 9:58:34 AM EDT
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YTs “Eagle Eye shooting” is DPC Gunsworks i think started that as 22DPC. You can read his wildcat of it using ARC brass and claims 3450 fps in a gas gun.
Link Posted: 10/23/2023 10:14:33 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By mike240:
YTs “Eagle Eye shooting” is DPC Gunsworks i think started that as 22DPC. You can read his wildcat of it using ARC brass and claims 3450 fps in a gas gun.
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Pretty sure Hornady was working on this shortly after they launched the 6mm ARC. There are numerous variants of a 22grendel currently out there, but this one looks to have factory support.

Link Posted: 10/23/2023 10:18:58 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By cruze5:
looks like its going to be a barrel burner to me!

any advertised velocity yet?

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Shouldn’t be. It’s just a little hotter than a 224Valkyrie, but nowhere near a 22creedmoor (80’s at 3400+fps).
Link Posted: 10/23/2023 10:19:22 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By SuperJlarge:


Pretty sure Hornady was working on this shortly after they launched the 6mm ARC.

Not exactly a fan of that YT personality. Far too much disinformation and opinions stated as fact to garner my viewership.
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Not making a claim as to who started it or how great the guys is. Just stumbled on to him. But he does have some load data on his website for the poster who asked, which is why I posted. Just getting into 6arc myself which why it likely popped up in my feed.

Edit- guess I did say “started”. Bad choice of words without more research…..
Link Posted: 10/23/2023 10:44:04 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By mike240:


Not making a claim as to who started it or how great the guys is. Just stumbled on to him. But he does have some load data on his website for the poster who asked, which is why I posted. Just getting into 6arc myself which why it likely popped up in my feed.

Edit- guess I did say “started”. Bad choice of words without more research…..
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No worries. He’s probably a decent enough guy, but when you’re marketing for your brand, you have to garner interest…one way or another.
Link Posted: 10/24/2023 5:58:36 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SuperJlarge:


Shouldn’t be. It’s just a little hotter than a 224Valkyrie, but nowhere near a 22creedmoor (80’s at 3400+fps).
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My .22ppc was not quite as hot as the .22 Valkyrie. I only put about five hundred rounds through it though. I don’t think it will be nowhere near the barrel burner the.22-250 or .220 swift were.
Link Posted: 10/25/2023 8:05:34 AM EDT
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It’s officially launched on Hornady’s site:

22ARC….the Double Deuce
Link Posted: 10/25/2023 8:14:49 AM EDT
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Give it 3 years and see if you can find ammo or anything else about it
Link Posted: 10/25/2023 8:53:06 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By SuperJlarge:
It’s officially launched on Hornady’s site:

22ARC….the Double Deuce
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Nice. Looks like the first load is Varmint but they mention 1:7 twist so heavies will work.  Pretty cool.
Originally Posted By hkx3:
Give it 3 years and see if you can find ammo or anything else about it
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Hornady alone can easily keep it alive that long. They have got the new caliber rollout down pat.

Big names on board
22 ARC Partners

Aero Precision
Ballistic Advantage
Craddock Precision
Christensen Arms
Cobalt Kinetics
Faxon
GA Precision
HS Precision
Nemo Arms
ODIN Works
Preferred Barrels
Proof Research
Rise Armament
Seekins Precision
TS Customs
Uintah Precision
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Link Posted: 10/25/2023 9:48:06 AM EDT
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As someone who is a huge fan of 224 Valkyrie...ill be curious how it is.

That being said, unless the performance is leaps and bounds above 224v, I don't see why to change.  

Hopefully 22ARC has a better start than the 224V did with that big brach of bad reamers.  I know JP Enterprise got those abd they had to recall all their barrels.
Link Posted: 10/25/2023 1:20:08 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By azmp5:
As someone who is a huge fan of 224 Valkyrie...ill be curious how it is.

That being said, unless the performance is leaps and bounds above 224v, I don't see why to change.  

Hopefully 22ARC has a better start than the 224V did with that big brach of bad reamers.  I know JP Enterprise got those abd they had to recall all their barrels.
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I can’t see how it could be different enough to swap. I also think the 6.8 bolt and mags seem to better in an AR But maybe that’s changed. 6 Arc seems to be hitting it off which can only help things.
Link Posted: 10/25/2023 2:10:35 PM EDT
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I’m glad to see it.
Link Posted: 10/25/2023 2:34:08 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE:

I can’t see how it could be different enough to swap. I also think the 6.8 bolt and mags seem to better in an AR But maybe that’s changed. 6 Arc seems to be hitting it off which can only help things.
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I can see that.  I think if the reamer issue never happened, valkyrie would have taken off alittle better.  That being said, it is a very sensitive round to reload to make accurate.
Link Posted: 10/25/2023 3:09:13 PM EDT
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No velocity posted yet.
I'd like to see Hornady add a 75 or 80 grain load to their Valkyrie offerings.
The ones I've loaded were great.
Link Posted: 10/25/2023 4:58:28 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By badkarmaiii:
No velocity posted yet.
I'd like to see Hornady add a 75 or 80 grain load to their Valkyrie offerings.
The ones I've loaded were great.
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Maybe it's just me, and I know it's not, but I had a hell of a time finding a good load with 80 and 88 eld.  I'd love to try a 60 or 75gr option but I just don't want to deal with how picky it is.
Link Posted: 10/25/2023 5:31:40 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By badkarmaiii:
No velocity posted yet.
I'd like to see Hornady add a 75 or 80 grain load to their Valkyrie offerings.
The ones I've loaded were great.
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They do a 75 and 88
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Link Posted: 10/25/2023 6:33:01 PM EDT
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My bad.
I meant 75 or 80 ELD-M in 224V.
In Valkyrie circles, I've seen the 80 called the "Red Rocket."
My 75s ran 2980 fps out of my 22" tube.
Link Posted: 10/25/2023 6:41:55 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SuperJlarge:


Shouldn’t be. It’s just a little hotter than a 224Valkyrie, but nowhere near a 22creedmoor (80’s at 3400+fps).
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Originally Posted By SuperJlarge:
Originally Posted By cruze5:
looks like its going to be a barrel burner to me!

any advertised velocity yet?



Shouldn’t be. It’s just a little hotter than a 224Valkyrie, but nowhere near a 22creedmoor (80’s at 3400+fps).


Even if it is hard on barrels the AR platform largely mitigates that. Pretty much anyone can easily swap a barrel.
Link Posted: 10/25/2023 7:21:02 PM EDT
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Interesting.  

I've been playing with the .224V for the last year and I'm underwhelmed.  I'm a fan of the concept but just can't get consistent accuracy with any factory ammo or handloads through 2 barrels.

Maybe I'll give this a try.
Link Posted: 10/25/2023 7:39:14 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By cb4017:
Interesting.  

I've been playing with the .224V for the last year and I'm underwhelmed.  I'm a fan of the concept but just can't get consistent accuracy with any factory ammo or handloads through 2 barrels.

Maybe I'll give this a try.
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If you don't reload, and are going for sub moa....I wouldn't waste ur time with the valkyrie.   Factory stuff is 2moa.  Maybe 1.5 if ur lucky.
Link Posted: 10/25/2023 8:24:42 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By azmp5:


If you don't reload, and are going for sub moa....I wouldn't waste ur time with the valkyrie.   Factory stuff is 2moa.  Maybe 1.5 if ur lucky.
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I do reload but haven't found the magic combination yet.  Best bullets so far are the Sierra 90 gr MK and Varget.  

Best factory load so far is the FGGM 90 gr.

Everything else is pretty much 2 moa or worse.

I've had the training in the .mil and as a LEO.  Only accurate rifles are interesting.  I lose interest pretty quick if they are not.

Anyway, maybe I can use all those .224 match bullets I have in the ARC.
Link Posted: 10/25/2023 10:59:17 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By azmp5:


If you don't reload, and are going for sub moa....I wouldn't waste ur time with the valkyrie.   Factory stuff is 2moa.  Maybe 1.5 if ur lucky.
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Not the case with barrels with a proper chamber.

My WOA barrel shot FGMM 90’s in the .8’s if I recall over 25rds with a newer precision shooter at the time. Edit: 0.804moa, #47 on the big board MOA challenge.

My Rainier barrels shoot the FGMM 80.5’s sub moa, but the 1:7.5t isn’t fast enough for the 90’s.

The 80 eld’s at 2940 or 2980fps seems to be the sweet spot for handloads. The speed and BC beats out the heavies till you start getting beyond 11-1200yds.

All that said, I’ll still build a 22ARC gas gun and a bolt gun once I get a reamer. I don’t think it’ll be crazy different from the 224Valkyrie, or the experiences I’ve had, but I like to tinker with different cartridges.
Link Posted: 10/26/2023 5:43:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By cb4017:


I do reload but haven't found the magic combination yet.  Best bullets so far are the Sierra 90 gr MK and Varget.  

Best factory load so far is the FGGM 90 gr.

Everything else is pretty much 2 moa or worse.

I've had the training in the .mil and as a LEO.  Only accurate rifles are interesting.  I lose interest pretty quick if they are not.

Anyway, maybe I can use all those .224 match bullets I have in the ARC.
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I had the exact opposite outcome with the 90r smk's.   It would group worth a shit.  Are you loading them based off how far off the lands they are?  I have seen thats where the accuracy comes in.  They like between 0.02-0.08.
Link Posted: 10/26/2023 7:10:25 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Sanlanman:
Another solution in search of a problem.
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How else are you going to get a 75gr ELD at 3000 fps to feed from an AR mag?
Link Posted: 10/27/2023 2:15:46 AM EDT
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As aggravating as it has been waiting on 6 ARC brass, and I'm sure the 22 ARC will be the same, I'm pretty sure I'm going to jump into this one.

6 ARC brass is now floating around but it took a couple years.
Link Posted: 10/27/2023 2:48:30 AM EDT
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short fat cases are just more efficient with powder. all the things should be built like this.
Link Posted: 10/27/2023 4:22:39 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By slappomatt:
short fat cases are just more efficient with powder. all the things should be built like this.
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I'd like to see slo-mo of this feeding.
Link Posted: 10/27/2023 4:50:47 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By slappomatt:
short fat cases are just more efficient with powder. all the things should be built like this.
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Not me. I want a 30* 223 at 62k with 75s loaded at 2.6. Short and fat here is just to fit the mags.
Link Posted: 10/31/2023 11:31:23 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By hkx3:
Give it 3 years and see if you can find ammo or anything else about it
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Most of these "create new demand" cartridges will be handloader specials in a few years.  Save the cases, buy loading dies, learn to reload.  You'll need to.

That's what I do with my 6mm Remington (technically superior to .243 Win), and my three .280 Remington rifles (technically better than .270 Win and vastly greater 7mm bullet selection).

Often the technically best never attains enough popularity to remain on store shelves after a few years.
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 2:19:55 PM EDT
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Odin Works is taking pre-orders, I got on the list for an 18" barrel.

According to Odin, while not yet 100% at the moment, looks like they might go with a +2 RLG system, not sure I like that but I'm no technician.

Awaiting to see what Ballistic Advantage offers as my 6mm ARC barrel from them have been quite satisfactory.
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 3:54:34 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By MS556:


Most of these "create new demand" cartridges will be handloader specials in a few years.  Save the cases, buy loading dies, learn to reload.  You'll need to.

That's what I do with my 6mm Remington (technically superior to .243 Win), and my three .280 Remington rifles (technically better than .270 Win and vastly greater 7mm bullet selection).

Often the technically best never attains enough popularity to remain on store shelves after a few years.
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You don’t think high BC bullets have a place in AR15s?
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 8:16:21 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott:


You don't think high BC bullets have a place in AR15s?
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I mean we already have 6.5 grendel. this new ARC round is competing for a very small niche.
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 8:31:33 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By slappomatt:
I mean we already have 6.5 grendel. this new ARC round is competing for a very small niche.
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Originally Posted By slappomatt:
Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott:


You don't think high BC bullets have a place in AR15s?
I mean we already have 6.5 grendel. this new ARC round is competing for a very small niche.

You can't use the real high bc 6.5 bullets in the grendel well because they are too long.
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 8:46:53 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott:

You don't think high BC bullets have a place in AR15s?
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You don't think 0.2 G7s are high enough?
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 9:26:46 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By HighpowerRifleBrony:
You don't think 0.2 G7s are high enough?
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No, and more importantly I think the .395 G1 at 3300 (24”) will straight up smoke a 55gr .255 G1 from a 223 at 3240 from the same barrel length. What’s more, the 6.5G has an edge in BC comparing 75 to 123 but it’s…FIVE HUNDRED FEET PER SECOND SLOWER.
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 10:06:36 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By slappomatt:
I mean we already have 6.5 grendel. this new ARC round is competing for a very small niche.
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Outside of close range energy on target, the 224Valkyrie, 6ARC and 22ARC beat a 6.5grendel in just about every category.
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 10:13:47 PM EDT
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The Hornady guys make a great point. 224V and 6.5G ads are a long brag about how long the bullet stays supersonic but 22 ARC is meant to be more usable to 800m or so than those. That means higher velocities instead of just the heaviest bullets possible.
Link Posted: 11/2/2023 12:35:05 PM EDT
[#49]
I'll be keeping an eye on this and hope it works.

I love the idea of the being able to shoot high BC .224 bullets at longer ranges out of an AR-15.  Been messing with the 224V for over a year but it has to be one of the most inconsistent and frustrating rounds I've ever messed with.  The lack of decent barrels should have been a hint.
Link Posted: 11/2/2023 4:09:09 PM EDT
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Was talking with a fellow gun but yesterday. He brought up the 22 ARC. I told him to build one and we will shoot it side by side with my 6ARC build. Then I will decide.
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