Posted: 10/10/2023 6:50:57 PM EDT
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I've been seeing lots of mixed reviews about its accuracy. Trying to figure if its a decent gun or not. I have a Kidd 10/22 in 22LR and a Tikka T1X in 17hmr, so I already have some spendy accurate guns. I'm trying to get more bang for my buck this time around. It has some really nice to have features like the target stock style, enlarged bolt knob, takes 10/22 mags that I am on the fence about. Other options I am considering is the Ruger American Rimfire GoWild/Shooting Store Distributor Models or a Bergara BMR. Downsides are the stocks are traditional hunter styles vs the target styles. I like the Bergara's mags over the 10/22 style. |
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It is a cheap Turkish POS. Run away. If you're only requirement is "it takes 10/22 mags", then get a Ruger American Rimfire model line. If you want the best "bang for your buck", take a hard look at the Bergara BMR. Boyd's makes dozens of stocks for either one. I have my BMR in the Boyd's Pro Varmint. |
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Originally Posted By CPTmorgan: Have yet to see a review where a SA2020 exhibited any accuracy. Even Guns & Ammo, who gets paid by SA, couldn't get a 1/2" group at 50y https://youtu.be/nk3tde7RQKI?si=t4S0rzyAbiMxJmhn Plinkster22 Sootch00 I have seen all 3 reviews of Pursuit of Accuracy which was one of the discouraging reviews. There was also another that was shooting 7" groups at 50 yards with bulk ammo. Plinkster was sent the rifle for review, so whether it was cherry picked or is not known. The actual preference is that gun does not take 10/22 magazines, but is convenient since I have a lot of them. Feeding is much smoother out of non-10/22 mags. If I am spending $600+ then I would just go with a T1x. |
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Originally Posted By SilentDeath12886: Plinkster22 Sootch00 I have seen all 3 reviews of Pursuit of Accuracy which was one of the discouraging reviews. There was also another that was shooting 7" groups at 50 yards with bulk ammo. Plinkster was sent the rifle for review, so whether it was cherry picked or is not known. The actual preference is that gun does not take 10/22 magazines, but is convenient since I have a lot of them. Feeding is much smoother out of non-10/22 mags. If I am spending $600+ then I would just go with a T1x. Plinksters results weren’t exactly great, so I doubt it was cherry picked. He seemed happy with it, but there are more precise options out there in a similar price segment. A Tikka t1x, CZ457 or Bergara BMR would be much better options. |
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For ruger 10/22 mag capability, also the Christiansen arms ranger is an option, but I have heard mixed reviews about them as well. Ditto for rugers products with variable quality. The ruger precision ( basically an American in a chassis style stock) my local group of precision 22 shooters- 1 guy has one that shoots well, several others have had them and sent them back to the factory for issues, some more than once, without acceptable results My experience in the bargain rifle category which has been mostly very positive especially for the price, is the humble savage mark II FV-SR Around $250, accuracy way better than the price suggests. Negatives- extraction difficulty with some ammo ( while accuracy was sub MOA with CCI standard, failures to extract were frequent. However, contacting savage resulted in a quick delivery of spare parts no charge no fuss- awesome CS!) The extraction issue was resolved by switching to eley and SK ammo, and I still have the spare extractor parts they sent Magazines are finicky and fragile, but again when a couple of mine split the back splines I sent them back and they sent me new ones for free A company called cs specs makes a heavier built magazine apparently also While I moved up to a Kidd for my precision 22 work ( my group shoots steel out to 300 yards in an NRL/PRS type format ) I still have the savage as a back up gun. One of our newer shooters was trying out guns before buying, I handed him a 10. Round mag and my savage to try, and he dialed my 300 yard dope, and never firing the rifle before, hit 8/10 on a foot square target at 300. I feel this is pretty impressive for such a cheap rifle. And I have several friends with Mark II’s that have had similar results |
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Been looking at them as I want one too. Just can’t quite convince myself to roll the dice. It seems several people own some that will shoot sub moa, and others own some that will not shoot under 2.5-3 moa no matter what ammo they try. And when you get one of the bad ones, Springfield just throws their arms up and tells you to deal with it from what I’ve seen. For the features, I think you get a LOT of rifle for the money…but it seems to be a serious dice roll as to what you’re going to get. |
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Dammit I bought one of these, and now I kinda wish I hadn't. I'm not a precision or competition shooter. I just find it fun to try to make small groups sometimes. A guy at the club was selling one of these for a decent price, so I rolled the dice. So far, it's not that great, but I will keep trying. I had a crappy scope the first time, so I switched it out. I am getting very inconsistent results even from the same setup and with ammo that works well in other guns. A few times, I've grabbed my CZ 452 and shot a few groups to make sure I didn't forget how to shoot. The CZ makes nice, tiny little groups when I shoot it off the bench - every time. To be fair, it has a good Leupold scope, and the SA has used crappy/old/off-brand ones I had in he closet. I guess I need to try a better quality scope before I declare this gun to be junk, but it's not looking good so far. 
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Originally Posted By Alexk68w: I bought one a month or so ago and so far been very happy with it. Groups are one ragged hole at 50 with two different types of ammo. For the features and the price I’m happy with the purchase. Yeah, that’s the problem with these. One shoots fantastic and the next 3 off the line are hot garbage. I’d be willing to roll the dice if Springfield was standing behind the ones that shoot like garbage, but it doesn’t sound like they do from all I’ve seen. If it functions that seems to be about the only standard they feel the gun needs to meet. |
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Originally Posted By TactiCoolBro: Yeah, that’s the problem with these. One shoots fantastic and the next 3 off the line are hot garbage. You got it! In rifles and rifle barrels, what you are paying for is assurance that product performance will be consistently high. |
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Originally Posted By sigman68: CZ, Bergara, Tikka, and even Ruger make a good 22. Why look elsewhere? Because this one cost half as much as those. I have bought some bargain guns that are really good. I have occasionally gotten a dud. that's why I will sometimes roll those dice. This time, I think I lost, though.  As I mentioned earlier, I put an old, crappy scope on mine, as I didn't have a good one that wasn't on something already (and I didn't want to spend more money at that time, having already bought 3 guns that week). I will reserve final judgement until I put a known, good optic on it. I also need to try some different ammo, but I am not bothering with that until it has decent glass. |
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Originally Posted By sigman68: CZ, Bergara, Tikka, and even Ruger make a good 22. Why look elsewhere? I think it’s pretty obvious. A heavy, threaded barreled rifle in a stock that looks nicer than anything coming with rifles that cost twice the price….and picatinny rail included. These guns do tick a lot of boxes. It’s not hard to see what’s so attractive about these guns. Until you do some digging and see how hit or miss the quality of them are. Then you dig a bit further and see that Springfield just throws their hand up when customers get one that doesn’t shoot worth a shit. If Springfield would tighten things up a bit in these and charge another $50 they wouldn’t be able to produce enough of these. Assuming they could overcome the already bad name these rifles have already gained over the years. |
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Originally Posted By gearjammer351: I have bought some bargain guns that are really good. I have occasionally gotten a dud. that's why I will sometimes roll those dice. This time, I think I lost, though. I won't buy a mini-14 or buy another 10-22. They are too consistent in their poor performance (the "dice" are rigged). I had a 10-22. It was terrible. I sold it at a DEEP discount. I replaced it with an accurate rifle. I have not regretted that for one second. |
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Originally Posted By TactiCoolBro: I think it’s pretty obvious. A heavy, threaded barreled rifle in a stock that looks nicer than anything coming with rifles that cost twice the price….and picatinny rail included. These guns do tick a lot of boxes. It’s not hard to see what’s so attractive about these guns. Until you do some digging and see how hit or miss the quality of them are. Then you dig a bit further and see that Springfield just throws their hand up when customers get one that doesn’t shoot worth a shit. If Springfield would tighten things up a bit in these and charge another $50 they wouldn’t be able to produce enough of these. Assuming they could overcome the already bad name these rifles have already gained over the years. All valid points but people pay $600 for a Glock over a Springfield XD or a Canik for a reason. You would be better off shopping the used market for a gun with a better reputation. I picked up my CZ 455 Tacticool for $400 and it came with a nice pic rail. It has been a fantastic rifle. |
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Originally Posted By Trollslayer: I won't buy a mini-14 or buy another 10-22. They are too consistent in their poor performance (the "dice" are rigged). I had a 10-22. It was terrible. I sold it at a DEEP discount. I replaced it with an accurate rifle. I have not regretted that for one second. I get your point, but I don't know if the 10-22 is the best example. I have one that's ~50 years old that I got as a kid. It's no tack-driver, but it's super reliable and accurate enough to have fun plinking with. You may have gotten a bad one, but there are many people who are pleased with them. It wouldn't be the most popular rimfire rifle of all time if it was on par with Turkish junk guns. |
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I purchased a Springfield 2020 when they came out, $400. and the seller ate the tax. Since then a company offered them around $350 if you purchased in person, and last year Springfield was giving them away with the purchase of one of their centerfires. Disassembled and was immediately blown away by the lack of tooling marks, even finish, and the fact the trigger is adjustable. Shot quite a few rounds for break in and to establish a base-line. The rifle had no issues making their accuracy guarantee, but running 25rnd mags I was noting the odd flier. Stripped down and looking for wear, everything was fine. Studying the threaded muzzle the cause was plain to see: the bore expanded the entire length of the threads. Since this is the last part of the bore to contact the slug, it causes instant erratic gas blow by and bullet upset. I could have just lopped off the threads, but decided to counter bore the muzzle and recrown. Instant improvement. I was running Ruger BX-1 mags as well as a BX-25, but decided to grab a couple of the 15 rounders- problems! I don’t know if Ruger manufacturers or farms out these, but there is a redesign of the steel feed insert, and the 15 rounders won’t latch or feed properly. I decided to take a 15 and 25 apart and swap the feed lips, the issue is definitely the redesign. Buyer beware. Back to the Springfield 2020, I’ve shot mine against the Bergara B14-R 18” CZ 457 MDT 24” CZ 457 VPC 24” Tikka T-1X 20” And it will go toe to toe with each of them. The trigger is currently adjusted to 24oz, it wears an Arken EP-5 and a knockoff Harris type bipod. With Eley Contact it has allowed several kids and a few adults to make first round impacts past 300yards. As a loaner, I don’t feel I’m short changing a newbie, and due to the light weight, it’s not an excessive burden for kids or slight built adults. Lastly, because so much was made of the “accuracy guarantee” I decided to look up what the competition promised. Wow! |
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Would you have to order or purchase shelf stock in hand? If you could pull the bolt in the store and examine the muzzle, that would be the clincher. I have included a detailed experience here: https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/springfield-2020-22lr.7195586/ |
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I have a 2020 Satin sporter and the OD Green target version. The 2020 Sporter is probably somewhere between a Savage Mark II basic wood stocked version and the CZ457 24" sporter as far as expected accuracy.. I've had pretty good luck but it's pickier about Ammo than the CZ. It's finished beautifully, well balanced and a very slick product with magazines that are much better than CZ and an included rail that saves about 80 bucks over adding a quality rail for the CZ. In a very limited test, I managed 3/4" with CCI mini-mags and about .55" with SK Rifle match at 50 yards, perhaps 5/8" with old production Wolf ammo- all in somewhat breezy conditions with a 3-9X40 scope. While the CZ 457 Sporter is a bit better, the Satin Walnut 2020 I have IS more accurate than my Bergara BMR steel barrel composite sporter and the relatively cheap feeling basic Savage Mark II. |
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In that price range, I think the Savage B22 FV-SR is a better deal. It's definitely more accurate, and if you don't like the stock (which is actually pretty OK IMO), you can get one from Boyds (I have a pro-Varmint on the way). It does have an Accutrigger, which I've found to be a love it or hate it prospect, but if you can live with that, you can have a nice, accurate rifle for $350. |
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