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A fantastic read. I know that he wanted to keep it short, but he is a good writer and given the chance I would encourage him to tell the "long" story. Many would take the time to read no matter how long it got. Thank you for posting that here. |
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Originally Posted By S-1:
Thanks for posting that, JW. BTW... Why the fuck does the USMC still teach to blade towards a target? In the days before SAPI plates you bladed towards the enemy to present a smaller target. We got our plates issued to us in Kuwait a few weeks before moving North (this is Feb 2004). No time to consider how much of a game changer plates are. As far as I know the training doctrine has changed and Marines are taught to square off to their targets. However, if you rewind the clock back to at least 1999 when I was taught in urban fighting it was imparitive to shoot and move, when you move your body will be square to your target to aid in creating a stable shooting platform. Thankfully I had a squad leader that had been in FAST Company before going into the Reserves. He drilled us a lot with mag changes and stowing empty mags in your cargo pocket. |
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| The military training in the old days was even worse. My friend was in the Marines in the late 70's and they never learned anything valuable. The only firing on the move they ever did was from the hip(if you can believe that) and they never practiced reloading etc. They also wanted him to use as little lube as possible(they were scared of lubing the bolt like Pat Rogers always talks about). He drove a amphibious tractor that had a .50 machine gun on it and he said they fired it 2 times in the entire time he was in. They only fired a few times per year and only was given 1 single 30 round mag to fire full auto(from the hip) per 6th months. |
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Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:
I'm quoting this post from a wounded Marine on another forum so that people here can see it and learn from it. He goes by the screen-name "RetreatHell" on another forum. I've thought long and hard about reproducing that post here, but I think it's too valuable a lesson learned at too high a price not to. Good move IMO. I seriously doubt the Marine would disapprove. |
" We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm. " -George Orwell
Celer, Silens, Mortalitas
"Swift, Silent, Deadly"
Celer, Silens, Mortalitas
"Swift, Silent, Deadly"
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Originally Posted By BattletweeteR:
powerful wisdom that was passed on to others. This. As a younger instructor who doesn't have a military background I greatly appreciate the wisdom shared by those who have been there. Many thanks to the Marine involved and to all those who served. I want to personally say that your sacrifice will not be forgotten by me or any in my presence, ever. I.C. |
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Man, where were his fellow Marines?
Nobody was close enough to cover him while he did his reload or were their attentions turned else where? He sounds like one hell of a good Marine. I hope the doctors and scientists out there can get him back into the fight someday someway. I'll pray for that, because this country needs men like him now more than ever. God Bless him. My children sleep free because of him. |
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This is a great post. I went throught most of my fromal LEO rifle training with my agency back in 03 and we did cover most of what the poster said that he did not get and did so to the pont of bloody fingers. To this day guys bitch durng our training about doing malfunction drills and reloads. I will print this post and save it for our next range sesion. One other thing that I would like to add as a manditory training issue. Not sure if the Marine had a side arm, but at those distances transitioning to a side arm is another option and needs to be practiced. Shooting on the move is also a huge issue in urban combat and with out an optic its darn hard to be accurate.
Based on the pics he posted he looks like young man. So long as our gov does not screw up or medical system to bad, new advances will catch up to him and he will be on his feet again. |
| Great post. Another reminder to work on those mag changes. Keeping the damn rifle pointed in the direction of expected threats while doing so! |
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Originally Posted By flyfishnepa:
great post. is there any way infantry guys can have the military pay for them to take a course? I'm not sure exactly how courses were paid for us back when I was in, but we had guest instructors all the time come in and teach courses. It was easier then us going "out" somewhere else. Or at least easier to gain approval. Some of the best training I have had....didn't come from military instructors. |
" We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm. " -George Orwell
Celer, Silens, Mortalitas
"Swift, Silent, Deadly"
Celer, Silens, Mortalitas
"Swift, Silent, Deadly"
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Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:
I've thought long and hard about reproducing that post here, but I think it's too valuable a lesson learned at too high a price not to. Thanks for doing so. There is a course coming up near me that I've wanted to take, but I wasn't really sure if I could afford it. After reading that, my only thought was, "How can I afford not to?" I went to sign up online just now, but can't. I'll have to call tomorrow. |
"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!" -Patrick Henry
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