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12/29/2010 6:40:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: ptmccain][Edited]
My son made this video at the range yesterday. The slow-mo is kind of cool, particularly the sound of the spent cartridges hitting the concrete floor...

Video here.
Verbum Domini Manet in Aeternum
12/29/2010 7:02:56 AM EDT
[#1]
Good video to demonstrate the affects of a muzzle break and the advantages of a properly made one.
12/29/2010 7:55:06 AM EDT
[#2]
Cool video

tell your son to tuck in that chicken wing
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12/29/2010 9:29:29 AM EDT
[#3]
Originally Posted By ptmccain:
My son made this video at the range yesterday. The slow-mo is kind of cool, particularly the sound of the spent cartridges hitting the concrete floor...

Video here.


dude.. that is awesome.  nice production.. no biases.

i cant believe the slant break works so well..
12/29/2010 9:41:38 AM EDT
[#4]
The slant brake was a surprise.  I always figured they were worthless, but I've also never fired an AK with one.
12/29/2010 9:50:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: ptmccain][Edited] [#5]
My son and I both feel the AK-74 break performs better. With the slant break installed the thing about knocks you down.

Don't you love the slow-mo on that video?

Sounds like he is shooting a 40mm canon and the "plink" sound the cartridges make when they hit the pavement is really cool.
Verbum Domini Manet in Aeternum
12/29/2010 11:53:44 AM EDT
[#6]
big difference. The last one really worked good...
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12/29/2010 12:07:59 PM EDT
[#7]
Yup, pretty conclusive stuff.

When I shot it with the first break, it about knocked me flat. I was not ready for the recoil!
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12/29/2010 12:14:05 PM EDT
[#8]
Fudd in the background? lol..
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12/29/2010 12:53:45 PM EDT
[#9]
Wow, that's pretty awesome. Very nice quality, too. What kind of camcorder were you using?



I have an unknown make USA made AK-74 style brake for my Khyber Pass build I picked up from Cope's.




 
I hate people who post pictures of their pistols with the slide locked back.

SS17
12/29/2010 1:06:00 PM EDT
[#10]
Cool. Video.

I run the 74 brake on all my AKs except my Krink.
12/29/2010 2:26:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: PreemptiveStrike][Edited] [#11]
Originally Posted By ptmccain:
My son and I both feel the AK-74 break performs better. With the slant break installed the thing about knocks you down.

Don't you love the slow-mo on that video?

Sounds like he is shooting a 40mm canon and the "plink" sound the cartridges make when they hit the pavement is really cool.


Looking at the 3 in slow motion to me it looks like no brake has by far the most recoil by watching your sons shoulder and the rearward motion, the slant brake looks like it's actually pushing back on your son much less than with no brake, and the 74 style brake is even less still.

I wonder why you guys felt that the slant brake was knocking you down? I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just wondering why the percieved recoil was more when it looked like it was less judging by what the video showed.

Thank you and your son for sharing.

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12/29/2010 3:49:09 PM EDT
[#12]
Awesome job on the vid!!

Always kinda wanted to see a good test on it, that vid told me alot!!  I have a rifle with each, a slant, and a 74 style one.  I always liked the 74 style, but it adds a bit of weight to the front of the rifle, but when your wanting fast second shots, it's the one to have.  The slant though is a good break, takes the lift out of the muzzle, and keeps it light.  So IMO with the advantages and disadvantages of each, I'd call the slant and 74 brake even....
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12/29/2010 3:53:44 PM EDT
[#13]
I'm not sure about that.

The slant break results in a lot more recoil. More than without any break. I think it makes the AK more difficult to control.

Shooting it with an AK 74 break is a world of improvement.
Verbum Domini Manet in Aeternum
12/29/2010 3:55:35 PM EDT
[#14]
Originally Posted By PreemptiveStrike:
Originally Posted By ptmccain:
My son and I both feel the AK-74 break performs better. With the slant break installed the thing about knocks you down.

Don't you love the slow-mo on that video?

Sounds like he is shooting a 40mm canon and the "plink" sound the cartridges make when they hit the pavement is really cool.


Looking at the 3 in slow motion to me it looks like no brake has by far the most recoil by watching your sons shoulder and the rearward motion, the slant brake looks like it's actually pushing back on your son much less than with no brake, and the 74 style brake is even less still.

I wonder why you guys felt that the slant brake was knocking you down? I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just wondering why the percieved recoil was more when it looked like it was less judging by what the video showed.

Thank you and your son for sharing.





I can only speak to my experience shooting the AK without any break, with the slant break and then with the AK 74.

I experienced a lot more recoil with the slant break, and it was noticeably easier to shoot with the AK 74.

I'd recommend simply trying them both out, it's cheap enough to do that.

Enjoy.

Glad you liked the vid.
Verbum Domini Manet in Aeternum
12/29/2010 3:56:37 PM EDT
[#15]
Originally Posted By 45FMJoe:
Wow, that's pretty awesome. Very nice quality, too. What kind of camcorder were you using?

I have an unknown make USA made AK-74 style brake for my Khyber Pass build I picked up from Cope's.

 


My son was using his Canon SLR that shoots in High Def (1080). It turned out great, didn't it? I'm impressed at how well it even picks up sound. Technology just continues to improve and is amazing.
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12/29/2010 3:57:21 PM EDT
[#16]
Originally Posted By NAM:
Fudd in the background? lol..


That was ME in the background, thank you very much. I was just watching carefully to know when I could commence firing, I had to stop while he was talking.

Verbum Domini Manet in Aeternum
12/29/2010 4:14:23 PM EDT
[#17]
nice video
12/29/2010 4:27:28 PM EDT
[#18]
I watched it again carefully and I think the slow-mo version really does show that the AK-74 break has the least recoil. I am sure he didn't mean to, but I bet he anticipated the harsher recoil from the slant break and unwittingly compensated it just a bit. It sure kicked my shoulder around when I used it.
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12/29/2010 4:45:46 PM EDT
[#19]



Originally Posted By ptmccain:



Originally Posted By 45FMJoe:

Wow, that's pretty awesome. Very nice quality, too. What kind of camcorder were you using?



I have an unknown make USA made AK-74 style brake for my Khyber Pass build I picked up from Cope's.



 




My son was using his Canon SLR that shoots in High Def (1080). It turned out great, didn't it? I'm impressed at how well it even picks up sound. Technology just continues to improve and is amazing.


Color me impressed.





 
I hate people who post pictures of their pistols with the slide locked back.

SS17
12/29/2010 4:49:36 PM EDT
[#20]
I was really impressed too and I'm in to digital photography, but my older Canon 5 has no such video capability.

The picture is/was ok, I mean, it was fine, but the sound recording quality is what really blew me away. Hah. No pun intended.
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12/29/2010 5:00:39 PM EDT
[#21]
So, get this, some jerk posted a remark on YouTube trashing my son's rifle, which he acknowledged was a "cheapo"

Some people!

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12/29/2010 5:08:24 PM EDT
[#22]
Originally Posted By ptmccain:
Originally Posted By NAM:
Fudd in the background? lol..


That was ME in the background, thank you very much. I was just watching carefully to know when I could commence firing, I had to stop while he was talking.



You are from this point forward known as "Fudd", contact the management for a screen name change.

12/29/2010 5:26:28 PM EDT
[#23]
Originally Posted By ptmccain:
So, get this, some jerk posted a remark on YouTube trashing my son's rifle, which he acknowledged was a "cheapo"

Some people!



Ah, welcome to youtube.  If I ever post a video on there I'll probably just disable comments.  It always turns into some retards bashing something, or even better someone posts some random racist rant..haha
12/29/2010 5:31:45 PM EDT
[#24]
Originally Posted By dskeet:
Originally Posted By ptmccain:
So, get this, some jerk posted a remark on YouTube trashing my son's rifle, which he acknowledged was a "cheapo"

Some people!



Ah, welcome to youtube.  If I ever post a video on there I'll probably just disable comments.  It always turns into some retards bashing something, or even better someone posts some random racist rant..haha


The comments can be deleted.

12/29/2010 5:42:06 PM EDT
[#25]



Originally Posted By ptmccain:


I'm not sure about that.



The slant break results in a lot more recoil. More than without any break. I think it makes the AK more difficult to control.



Shooting it with an AK 74 break is a world of improvement.


its not generating any more recoil. whats happening is this. the slant brake is controling muzzle climb. however it does noting to negate the rear ward push the rifle has. the reason it feels like it has more recoil is because when firing with no brake the rifle is mitigating some of that rearward push as muzzle climb. so when you shoot with the brake because its preventing that climb more energy is going rear ward. the 74 brake works so well because its controlling both muzzle climb and the rearward push of the rifle.



 
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12/29/2010 5:43:17 PM EDT
[#26]
Ah, good explanation. All I know is that I was not prepared for the slant break's effect and it almost knocked me on my kiester.

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12/29/2010 5:44:11 PM EDT
[#27]
Originally Posted By Mak:
Originally Posted By ptmccain:
Originally Posted By NAM:
Fudd in the background? lol..


That was ME in the background, thank you very much. I was just watching carefully to know when I could commence firing, I had to stop while he was talking.



You are from this point forward known as "Fudd", contact the management for a screen name change.



I think the reference was to Elmer Fudd, but I was not even wearing my red flannel shirt.



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12/29/2010 5:48:35 PM EDT
[#28]
Originally Posted By ptmccain:
I watched it again carefully and I think the slow-mo version really does show that the AK-74 break has the least recoil. I am sure he didn't mean to, but I bet he anticipated the harsher recoil from the slant break and unwittingly compensated it just a bit. It sure kicked my shoulder around when I used it.


I'd really like to see an AK anchored by a load cell with different brakes. If anyone in the DFW area or north has a DAQ with decent resolution, I can write a LabVIEW program and we can get some real data.

Thats a great demonstration though, and it clearly illustrates the effectiveness of the brakes.


12/29/2010 5:50:33 PM EDT
[#29]
Nice, informative video!  I would have probably left out the tapco words myself though. The people who trash on your sons AK are probably children who have never even shot one.  If you get into the habbit of reading comments on youtube videos, there is almost always stupid ones on any type of video.
12/29/2010 5:55:57 PM EDT
[#30]
Awesome video! I've got a US made birdcage on my AES-10B, it made a nice difference in comparison to the factory muzzle nut, but I might have to pick up a 74 style brake to see if it's an improvement.


Too bad he didn't have an RPK style brake to test too.

Like so:
http://www.amazon.com/Tapco-AK0687-Muzzle-Brake/dp/B001EDXZRW
12/29/2010 6:24:30 PM EDT
[#31]
Originally Posted By Mak:
Originally Posted By dskeet:
Originally Posted By ptmccain:
So, get this, some jerk posted a remark on YouTube trashing my son's rifle, which he acknowledged was a "cheapo"

Some people!



Ah, welcome to youtube.  If I ever post a video on there I'll probably just disable comments.  It always turns into some retards bashing something, or even better someone posts some random racist rant..haha


The comments can be deleted.



Yeah I know, just too much of a pain in the ass to have to moderate comments for every video I post.
12/29/2010 10:13:29 PM EDT
[#32]
I thought the Tapco 74 brake was substandard and didn't really do anything?

12/29/2010 10:28:05 PM EDT
[#33]
Well, as the video proves, you thought wrong.

Verbum Domini Manet in Aeternum
12/29/2010 11:28:40 PM EDT
[#34]



Originally Posted By purevl2:


I thought the Tapco 74 brake was substandard and didn't really do anything?





I don't want to be a dick or anything, but we kinda just saw with our own eyes ...







 
I hate people who post pictures of their pistols with the slide locked back.

SS17
12/30/2010 10:04:05 AM EDT
[#35]
I thought the video was going to be really slow motion. It's just 30/24 fps slowed down in post.

I've got a cheap Casio that does 240 fps at 480x360 resolution that is fun to use when I shoot.
12/30/2010 10:37:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: ptmccain][Edited] [#36]
The slow-mo is just fine for the purpose of the video, plus it is in 1080 HD not the low res your thing would produce.



Verbum Domini Manet in Aeternum
12/30/2010 11:26:05 AM EDT
[#37]
Great vid. Personally I would be curios to see how the FSC47 and 74 style break stack up against each other.
12/30/2010 11:28:22 AM EDT
[#38]
That would a cool vid too.
Verbum Domini Manet in Aeternum
12/30/2010 12:33:01 PM EDT
[#39]
I feel better now that I switched to the 74 style about a year ago but always thought of taking it back off because of the weight.  I guess I won't be doing that.
12/30/2010 1:29:06 PM EDT
[#40]
Originally Posted By Castillo:
Cool video

tell your son to tuck in that chicken wing


I went to a local range about a year ago and there was an older man there who saw me giving directions to a new shooter, telling her to 'tuck your wing'. he came over and explained how he was a drill instructor and how you should always leave your wing out to increase accuracy. We listened patiently, thanked him kindly, then ignored the advice.

just made me think of that. oddly enough, some people think it works better.
12/30/2010 4:05:50 PM EDT
[#41]
Originally Posted By Cigolon:
Originally Posted By Castillo:
Cool video

tell your son to tuck in that chicken wing


I went to a local range about a year ago and there was an older man there who saw me giving directions to a new shooter, telling her to 'tuck your wing'. he came over and explained how he was a drill instructor and how you should always leave your wing out to increase accuracy. We listened patiently, thanked him kindly, then ignored the advice.

just made me think of that. oddly enough, some people think it works better.


Honestly I shoot however is more comfortable to me, wing or not, and honestly I don't care
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12/30/2010 6:32:05 PM EDT
[#42]
btt
Verbum Domini Manet in Aeternum
12/30/2010 7:49:47 PM EDT
[#43]
Nice video,  My three comments are a) the slant does more than I thought it would - b) I would love to see the PWS FSC47 compared in this manner - c) the shooting position/stance when the AK74 style break was tested is totally different from when the slant break was tested and might be exaggerating the results....
12/30/2010 8:14:50 PM EDT
[#44]
Thanks for the feedback.

I've shot that rifle with nothing, with the slant break, and with the AK-74 style.

Trust me on this....the AK-74 is, by far, superior and shooting stance has nothing to do with it.
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12/30/2010 8:23:26 PM EDT
[#45]
What are the odds you can get a FSC47 to test?

Where in MO are you?
12/30/2010 8:27:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: sickpup][Edited] [#46]
Originally Posted By TH-X15:
Great vid. Personally I would be curios to see how the FSC47 and 74 style break stack up against each other.


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12/30/2010 9:50:40 PM EDT
[#47]
I've always commented about how I can tell a real difference in muzzle rise with a slant break even in semi-auto; nice video confirming it. :)
12/31/2010 3:42:23 AM EDT
[#48]
Not bad. Other than the "no" eyepro and outward chicken wing, lol.
12/31/2010 11:00:04 AM EDT
[#49]
Good video- but your killing me. Looks like I'll be spending some more money on a new brake...      
12/31/2010 12:06:25 PM EDT
[#50]
Excellent video !!  I think I'll have to swap my slant brake for the AK74 style.

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