Labor Day sale?

I could have sworn that the cheapest price was $999 to begin with.  I think because the 104s without a brace are $899 is why I thought they'd be cheaper.

Ah, makes sense

That's the one I got. I love it.

Any more range reports?

Need more functional reviews.

Not all of us want to buy a gun that has no reviews and there's been some questionable past models.

I was going to grab one of these as soon as they dropped, but got impatient and grabbed a couple of Polish AK pistols.  Still going to grab one, but now I'm going to wait until the CHF/CL barrels come out.  Any bugs should be long since worked out by then.

Looking forward to seeing how yours shoots!

Any immediate issues?

Ran another 100 through mine today. Testing out a Sig Tango 1-6.

Couldn't get a zero and found the top cover bolt loose. Had remnants of a decent amount of red loctite, so don't know what went wrong there.

Reapplied red locktite, tightened the screw back down, and was able to obtain a rough zero. I found I can't shoot off a tripod worth a crap.

Still over gassed by quite a bit with 5.56 ammo, but was reliable save for one light strike that wouldn't ignite in 3 tries.

It's fun to shoot.

Spoke too soon. Found my hand guard loose while inspecting the 102 tonight. Looks like I'll be taking that apart and loctiting all that too now.

Which railed version did you have?

Here's what I found when I took mine apart:

As it came off the weapon


Receiver adapter in the rail




This piece goes into the receiver. You can see the yellow thread lock. Mine had to be tightened several revolutions to get it to interface with the bottom of the trunnion before it removed the up and down slop. I'm not quite sure why this was allowed to leave the factory in this condition.  The threadlock doesn't solve much if there's not tension keeping it from moving in the first place.


This piece interfaces with the front retainer:




Absolutely no thread lock on the front tension screws, which explains why mine kept coming lose. These need something applied to them at the factory in my opinion.:


My advice: rip all apart, apply some blue (at minimum) thread locker on the tensioner screw, then test fit the receiver adapter and tighten the tensioner until it is almost a press fit.  Once that's in place, put some blue (again, at minimum) on the front handguard retainer tensioners, install the rail, and tighten the tensioners with a ball-end allen wrench until they're tight.  Witness mark everything and give it at least 24 hours before you shoot it again.  It's held so far on mine.

Also, I Rocksett my railed dust cover instead of just red thread lock. It's held up so far as well.  I need to put some electrical tape to try and shim mine up.

Thanks for the tips, I'm on a work trip, but might have to borrow some parts out of the service truck and get this squared away. I just re-tightened everything tonight and the trunion block tension screw was able to be turned by my fingers. Reassembled best I could in the hotel room, but didn't have loctite or ball end allens, so will do it the right way tomorrow. Odd that my 104 with same JL rail is perfectly fine.

Full speed ahead and damn the torpedoes ;)

That’s good to know!  Hopefully we get some bigger round count testing soon!

Any updated feedback?

None from me lately. Work got crazy. However, I’m off for 14 days starting next Thursday and the weather is looking amazing so I plan on spending at least one day running my through its paces during that period.

In what way(s) does the PSA stock differ from the Russian and Bulgarian ones?

Thanks, I appreciate it.

@PalmettoStateArmory

are these 1:7 or 1:8 twist?   The description varies between the models of 102.  Just wondering.

One thing I saw was that the JMAC ST-6’s did not fold but in a review is showed they folded, do they actually fold?

In for pics of wear on bolt and trunion, accuracy at 50/100yds and any issues. I am willing to try a 5.56 if the bolts are good and hard and the accuracy is 2moa off bags.....

Lets see some range trip pics!

I'm not a great bench shooter, but mine is 4-5 MOA with m193 and a 1-6x on top. Same 193 shoots roughly 2" in my Block2 clone at 100yds.

I need to try some better ammo, but it sure looks like standard AK accuracy for mine. I won't comment on being happy or mad about that.

I’m getting 3 MOA max out of my AK’s with total ass ammo, it should not be that Inaccurate

I agree. My waffen -74 with spam can was 1.5moa ish, was amazingly accurate.

4-5" @100 with 223 and a 1-6 optic is not within useable limits for me.

i'd agree too

I'll need to reverify then. Because it isn't stacking them in there real great.

Post pics of the groups...i wanna see the holes @50/100yds......

I put a 1-4x Steiner on mine last week.  I plan on getting to the range tomorrow or this weekend.  I'll post pics of what I'm able to do and with what types of rounds.

Thanks everyone for posting info!

I’m holding out for the long Zenitco copy handguards and dust cover, or at least something close enough where adding those parts later is not a problem

Alright, who's ready for another range report?  It's 72*F and low humidity and I'm vacation for 12 days, so you damn well better bet I'm ready for one.  

The set up.  Brought a Radom, a Circle 10, and two AC Unity mags today.  I'm shooting off a couple of bags.  At first I was shooting bent over as the two sit down benches were occupied.  This will have an effect on the groups:


Mags left to right: Circle 10 w/ AE XM855 62 gr, AC Unity w/ Wolf Steel Case 55 gr, AC Unity w/ Impact 55 gr. remans, and Radom w/ Wolf Gold 55 gr.


Gratuitous beauty shots. I think this thing just looks bad ass.  As info, this weighs 9.4# according to my bathroom scale w/o a mag:



Ok, first group. All groups at 50 yards. Again, this is not seated.  This from a bent over 90* position resting on those two bags in the pics above. Not exactly a stable platform for sure. The last shot I shanked just a hair and threw it low.  That's on me, but I don't post perfect groups. It is what it is.  Ammo is American Eagle 62gr. XM855 green tip:



As part of a later group, that shit got spicy for a hot second.  I've never had this happen to me before. Looks like it ripped the case about 1/3 way up and then jammed the next round into it.  I was somehow able to pull the separated case from the chamber w/ the round stuck in it with my finger.  After ripping everything apart and checking for a squib/obstructed bore and the bolt face, etc for any damage, I kept shooting without issue.




Only other issues I had other than that were a couple of rounds of remans from Impact that were super soft shooting (made for competition w/ ARs) and didn't push the bolt carrier rearward hard enough to strip the next round.  I slapped up on the mag in both cases and it stripped the round and kept going.  I stopped shooting that stuff after that and never had another issue with feeding or extraction.

Ok, Wolf steel case 55 gr.:


Wolf Gold 55 gr. in the center, AE 62 gr. bottom right:


Wolf Gold 55 gr.:


Ok, now, an experiment.  I shot five rounds of Wolf steel case 55 gr, open and closed the top cover five times, then shot five more, for a total of 30 rounds.  Here's the sequence of groups:






And now for why I think this is happening:


That movement definitely seems to be playing apart w/ the shift.  I'm fairly confident in saying this is a 3-4 moa rifle.  It's holding 1.5-2" or so at 50 yards with multiple ammo types (that aren't match grade) from unsteady positions. I'm fine with that. If you're not, so be it.

And now, for shits and giggles, four mag dumps with no failures:


As you can see, the gas tube is loose again.  That sucks.  If had to do it over again, with all the trouble of the accessories on this thing, I'd recommend just getting the vanilla AK102 and forego the PSA high-speed furniture and figure out other ways to mount your shit. Side rail scope mounts like the RS Regulate are phenomenal. This thing is also very front end heavy, as you can see from the video.  I normally try to keep everything in my work space, but thing just wants to drop as soon as you let go w/ your support hand.  It needs a heavier stock at the rear at the least, which I'll have once I send off the eForm to SBR this thing.  I think it works now.  It's up to...750 rounds now? I just can't justify the inhouse accessories with all the troubleshooting
required thus far.  Get the conventional set up and add what you want later.

ETA:  Update on the gas tube.  Metal and heat do some crazy shit.  I know this from my day-to-day work.  I should've assumed it would apply here, because it does.  It's completely tight again. No wobble or anything front to back or side to side.

Great write up and confirmed a concern I had about the dust cover, but when I look at the options I want, economically it seems smarter to get a railed handguard model because it comes with ALG trigger, JMAC ST6 skeleton tube, and linear comp, vs plain Jane doesn’t have any of that and is $100 cheaper, so you’re telling me for $100 more I can get those three things, by themselves combined are worth like $300?  Seems like I have to buy the model without the dust cover but still has the handguards

Personally I’m anxiously awaiting the long handguard Zenitco style rails

Perfect review, and thx. Yep vanilla is a great way to start out and add from there.

I will say that your 50yd groups was what i need 100yd groups to look like, especially with an optic on it.  I will withold purchasing at this time

Shoot me a PM next time you roll to SE and I'll bring the 105 out for some side by side comparison.

After reading this thread it seems that most people are getting 4moa. It also seems everyone is having zero issues with the rail. Does that seem right?

ak-operators union4774 just posted a video praising this gun (he made it clear he only put 1000rds through it) but he had great accuracy using a side rail.

I plan on putting a sureshot armament rail on mine but if it’s a 4moa gun not sure I wanna spend the money on a 700 rail.

Also what’s the deal with the ST-6 on jmacs website it says it folds but on psa’s it says it doesn’t I plan on making it a sbr idk if that will change anything.

Thank you, seems like a great source for info idk how I didn’t find it sooner!

Thank you, seems like a great source for info idk how I didn’t find it sooner!

I am also BAFFLED that every reviewer doing a video on youtube says the psa 100 series are accurate with no issues whatsoever, but people that post on arfcom have soft, inaccurate misfit guns, with documented issues.....which leads me to assume  that they are getting cherry picked rifles, OR shoot them very little, never shoot actual groups, etc.