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3/9/2007 1:41:50 AM EDT
I've been reading for about a month now and haven't posted much at all.  I've been reading here, Warrior Talk forum with Gabe Suarez and on Glock talk.  So I have decided that I really don't want an AR, I want an AK47.  

I keep reading about all of the different model etc and then I find out that my brother in law has two Arsenals.  One is a synthetic stock that he wants to keep and the other is a thumbhole wooden stocked model that has a milled receiver with no bayonet lug or flash supressor/muzzle break.  I want to make him a fair offer but not too fair if you know what I mean.  I believe the Arsenals are high quality, but maybe I could live with a Century built Yugo M70 underfolder for $350 from Classic Arms.

I know that to make this an underfolder I would have to modify the receiver, but I believe that I can make it a side folder with no modifications and a screwdriver.  Maybe some new furniture and away I go.  

Can someone give me their best guess on what model it is and what would be a good fair price for the gun in good shape.  I have not seen it yet, but will be shooting it on Sunday and if things go well exchanging some money so a little timely help from my friends will be appreciated.  

Thanks,

Rick
3/9/2007 4:58:22 AM EDT
[#1]
www.ak47.net/forums/topic.html?b=4&f=76&t=54853
link to stock swap and legal parts issues for the thumby, work up a parts list and price from there

get the Arsenal
3/9/2007 11:12:52 AM EDT
[#2]
Thanks for the response.  Again, I know very little about these firearms.  I'm  basically a competition shooter, I shoot IDPA and USPSA but these are starting to fascinate me.

On the parts issue, I thought that you needed a minimum of X amount of American parts, so if you have more than that you would be OK.  If I buy an American made furiture set I should be fine, I think????  I'll read the link that you posted.

I really could use some help with the pricing issue.  I feel it i definately worth more than $500, but still what is the going rate for these things?  I don't want to pay $1200 for one either.  It's just where inbetween is the sweet spot.  I'll take a range of price at this point since you are not looking at the gun in person.

Thanks for the help.

Rick
3/9/2007 11:48:25 AM EDT
[#3]
arsenalinc.com for new gun msrp (crude long-day guess $700 street..)

ironwooddesigns.com for new US mfg wood
k-var.com for new US mfg poly

G2 US mfg fcg $35

3 parts for fcg, hammer, trigger, sear
3 parts for stock, hg, pg, butt

3/9/2007 12:28:01 PM EDT
[#4]
Thanks for your help.

Rick
3/11/2007 7:10:56 PM EDT
[#5]
Thanks RS39.  I shot the gun today.  I found some Wolff locally for $3.33 / box of 20 for the hollow points.  They feed and shot perfectly.  The same store that had the Wolf has some WASR10 rifles that were very rough indeed.  

I paid less for this Aresenal SA-93 than they wanted for a very overpriced folding stock version of a WASR10 .  I feel very happy to buy this one with two Russian 30 round mags and a sling for $450.    The gun was very clean indeed.  I didn't even try to see if he would take less.  I told him, that I thought that the price was very reasonable.   He said that I was family so that is why the reasonable price.  I don't think that I will loose any money on this one if I decide to sell it one day.

We set up 6 IDPA targets at ranges that went from 25 yard to 75 yards.  I shot it on the move on the closer targets and engaged multiple targets in a string.  I shoot IDPA and USPSA (IPSC) and had a blast engaging targets with this rifle.  I don't think my local range will let me run and shoot, so it is wonderful to own some land and have fun on it.  

I even have a metal gong set out to 200 yards.  It's a 2 foot square piece of 1/2" steel suspended with chain between two metal posts.  I was amazed at the dents that the AK put in that steel at that distance with those hollow points.  I didn't even try to engage that target at that distance but the brother in law is a long range rifle competitor and shoots the 600 yard stuff with his Garands and ARs.  He ripped off about 15 rounds fairly quickly at 200 and hit the plate 6 times.  Damn impressive indeed.

The gun isn't a minute of angle, but to quote Gabe Suarez, it sure is minute of man and goes bang every time.  I see much fun in my future.  Thanks again RA39.

Rick
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