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Very nice work CarlosC, I'm going to set the archive toggle to keep this out of the archives.
You will always be able to find this thread fast if you click on MY Topics once thread is off page 1. |
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OP is a cool cat!
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<removed> please leave memes in GD. dryflash3
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Nice work!
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Wow. Thank you for compiling all this information.
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Who said that?
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very nice. thank you for doing this.
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You're all quite welcome. I started this months ago as a project for a couple of reasons. First, my motivation started after seeing some intentionally misleading eBay adds for AK bayonets and buyers unwittingly paying for something other than what was advertised. I hate seeing people get ripped off. Typically, the sellers would state they were selling an expensive Russian bayonet, when in fact they were selling a cheap Romanian. Some didn't honestly know the difference, but the majority knew, then would then change the ads to say "Russian style", "Russian type" or something like that.
I also wanted to share some knowledge so if you have an AK bayonet and want to identify its origin, know if it's rare, or know what it can be mounted on, I could help with that using the post. You can also see what hangers or frogs are supposed to go with your bayonet. ETA: I'll be editing the original posts as I grammar and spell check them repeatedly - yes, I'm one of those. I also see some places where I can make small changes to make things clearer. |
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Really awesome details and the collection is outstanding!
I spent a little time researching some of this last year, though mostly around Romanian/Polish/Bulgarian/Russian ones to see what was "correct" for some of my rifles. I think my head exploded partway in. I did get one of those Russian plum-ish 6x5 bayonets many years ago for $50. I should have bought every last one they had. |
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Originally Posted By Findsman: Really awesome details and the collection is outstanding! I spent a little time researching some of this last year, though mostly around Romanian/Polish/Bulgarian/Russian ones to see what was "correct" for some of my rifles. I think my head exploded partway in. I did get one of those Russian plum-ish 6x5 bayonets many years ago for $50. I should have bought every last one they had. View Quote Yeah, the variety of AK bayonets can make anyone's head spin. And just when I think I have them all figured out, I find an anomaly somewhere and have to add to my database as an exception. Case in point are Russian bayonets etched with the Izhmash logo - I didn't know they even existed, but they're real. Then there are the never-ending fakes...If you look on GB right now, there's a dude selling reddish handle Yugo bayonets. I thought initially they were some new or rare version and repeated asked the seller if the handles were dyed, painted or not and never got a straight answer or he ignored me. Others asked and eventually someone found out the handles were dyed, so a fake. Very unfortunate. $80 asking price for a $40 bayonet. Buyer beware. If you're interested in parting with any of the plum Russians, I'd be interested since I do not have one for my collection. |
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CarlosC: Badass post!
Did all of the early 6x5's come with a purple-ish OTK stamp on the blade portion after they went to arsenal? I could swear I've seen black and white OTK stamps on these as well. It looks like yours is purple-ish. Curious if you knew, its not hugely important, but I am curious. Here is a picture of mine for reference: http://vepr.org/plum-6x5-izhmash-bayonet/ (Anyway, as I said, this is really good stuff, thanks for posting). |
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Originally Posted By BlgSal: CarlosC: Badass post! Did all of the early 6x5's come with a purple-ish OTK stamp on the blade portion after they went to arsenal? I could swear I've seen black and white OTK stamps on these as well. It looks like yours is purple-ish. Curious if you knew, its not hugely important, but I am curious. Here is a picture of mine for reference: http://vepr.org/plum-6x5-izhmash-bayonet/ (Anyway, as I said, this is really good stuff, thanks for posting). View Quote To the best of my knowledge, all the OTK stamps on the blades were in purple, regardless of when they were made. Actually, they look purple to me, but they're supposed to be blue. The blades were marked at the Izhmash arsenal with the "OTK" proof and an inspector's stamp on the other side, a letter or number in a box. If you find one with a different color, pass it on so I can add to my database. The OTK stamps on the scabbards are done in silver ink (look white to me). |
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Originally Posted By CarlosC: To the best of my knowledge, all the OTK stamps on the blades were in purple, regardless of when they were made. Actually, they look purple to me, but they're supposed to be blue. The blades were marked at the Izhmash arsenal with the "OTK" proof and an inspector's stamp on the other side, a letter or number in a box. If you find one with a different color, pass it on so I can add to my database. The OTK stamps on the scabbards are done in silver ink (look white to me). View Quote Interesting. I am not obsessing over stamp color, but I wonder if this was for a reason other than viability against the blade? I could have sworn a guy was selling one with black and white stamps at one point, but I lost track of the thread (hell, even which forum it was posted on at this point). I'll see if I can dredge it up. |
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thank you for doing this.
I hope this gets archived for life. Happy with the Hungarian m59s I have but now I know that the earlier milled one is Polish for mines. Good to know. |
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Global Warming Hoax Skeptic before it was cool
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Originally Posted By Jozsi: thank you for doing this. I hope this gets archived for life. Happy with the Hungarian m59s I have but now I know that the earlier milled one is Polish for mines. Good to know. View Quote |
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Excellent write up!
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Unbelievable! Thank you so much for doing this. If you do a book, I will definitely get a copy and would happily sell it for you in our stores.
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Excellent post. Very interesting.
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Great write up and excellent photography.
One of these days, I need to unbox and display all of my AK bayos. |
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Love that pic.
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So a M1951 bayonet would not work on the later AKM pattern rifles?
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AK building addict in recovery.
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Originally Posted By CarlosC: You should. It was a pain in the ass for me, but I had said I'd do it in a post months ago, so I figured I had to just hunker down and just get it done. I think the thing I dreaded the most was trying to put most of them back in the exact order on the safe door. Some have to be slightly turned to clear the shelves and must be spaced like you see so they can clear the vertical shelf support. There's also practically zero vertical room between each row so they must be organized the way you see. My long term project, which I really hate thinking about, is shortening the inside shelves by 1 inch so I can face all the bayonets forward. https://i.imgur.com/2akOMGE.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By CarlosC: Originally Posted By Steelmonkey: Great write up and excellent photography. One of these days, I need to unbox and display all of my AK bayos. You should. It was a pain in the ass for me, but I had said I'd do it in a post months ago, so I figured I had to just hunker down and just get it done. I think the thing I dreaded the most was trying to put most of them back in the exact order on the safe door. Some have to be slightly turned to clear the shelves and must be spaced like you see so they can clear the vertical shelf support. There's also practically zero vertical room between each row so they must be organized the way you see. My long term project, which I really hate thinking about, is shortening the inside shelves by 1 inch so I can face all the bayonets forward. https://i.imgur.com/2akOMGE.jpg Amazing effort Carlos (insert forbidden cheers meme here) I am the first to admit I know less than zero about AK bayonets but in 5 minutes of reading the first post I had a decent framework of understanding. I always thought there were 74 million variants and the subject was too hopelessly confusing to really learn, but just now I learned that while there are indeed 74 million variants ... they are divided into 5 main types. That actually makes a ton of sense to me having it broken out by type and era and makes it much quicker to get focused on whatever particulary bayonet I am looking at. I also confess that I only own one bayonet to look at, which obviously makes it pretty easy to figure out what it is. All I knew before was that it was Bulgarian, and newer Thanks for such a great writeup. When guys like you put this kind of effort into a subject it makes it easy for guys like me to learn it, so again thanks very much |
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Global Warming Hoax Skeptic before it was cool
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That's what the toggle was set to keep this thread out of the archives.
Go to the last few pages of this forum, that's where the toggled threads lurk until someone posts in them. Lots of good info there. |
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Originally Posted By TX-Zen: I can't believe I missed this entire writeup and am just now seeing it for the first time Amazing effort Carlos (insert forbidden cheers meme here) I am the first to admit I know less than zero about AK bayonets but in 5 minutes of reading the first post I had a decent framework of understanding. I always thought there were 74 million variants and the subject was too hopelessly confusing to really learn, but just now I learned that while there are indeed 74 million variants ... they are divided into 5 main types. That actually makes a ton of sense to me having it broken out by type and era and makes it much quicker to get focused on whatever particulary bayonet I am looking at. I also confess that I only own one bayonet to look at, which obviously makes it pretty easy to figure out what it is. All I knew before was that it was Bulgarian, and newer Thanks for such a great writeup. When guys like you put this kind of effort into a subject it makes it easy for guys like me to learn it, so again thanks very much View Quote Thank you...FYI, I'll be updating the original post (Polish and Czechoslovakian sections) in the coming days with new acquisitions. |
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Thanks Carlos for the effort you put into this. Nice collection too!
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Thank you CarlosC..!!
Your time and efforts are most appreciated! |
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A socialist may indeed be academically superior.
And yet, they are most certainly emotionally retarded. Minion of Snow #006 Public education is the opiate of the masses. |
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Nice job CarlosC, I really enjoyed reading this thread.
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Global Warming Hoax Skeptic before it was cool
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Originally Posted By TheRedBaron: Agreed. Not sure how I missed this thread either. View Quote https://www.ar15.com/forums/AK-47/CarlosC-s-definitive-guide-to-AK-bayonets/64-168496/?page=1&anc=1444861#i1440968 What were you doing October of 2021? That's when this thread originally ran. I don't toggle many threads in this forum, but this thread was a stand out. So set your bookmarks, this one is not going into the archives. |
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Great thread, tagged
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OK - this is cool - I admit I did get bayonets for just about about everything but the FALs. Well done sir!
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Great thread. Thanks for posting.
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Great write up. I now have the urge to go through my AK parts bin to see which ones I have. I did not buy many, only one per AK.
One suggestion. It would be helpful to put rarity next to each type and/or country of origin. |
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Originally Posted By GimpsUnlimited: Great write up. I now have the urge to go through my AK parts bin to see which ones I have. I did not buy many, only one per AK. One suggestion. It would be helpful to put rarity next to each type and/or country of origin. View Quote Rarity would be tough because, with few exceptions, it varies and it's subjective. One way to look at it would be for me to look at what I have and offer what I believe are the rarest ones from each country, although they're probably not the rarest when looked at among all AK bayonets. If you look at the entire AK bayonet world, I'd say the rarest include (in country order): Bulgarian AR-M1 (somewhat), Chinese NDM-86 6X4 (very), Chinese brass pin 6X4 (somewhat) - especially in a color other than orange (very), authentic East German 6X3 with the modified pommel (very), East German orange 6X4, East German KM87(extremely), Egyptian brown 6X4, Egyptian blue 6X4, Finnish 6X2 (very), Hungarian 6X3 with the modified pommel (very), Indian INSAS, Indonesian 6X2, Iraqi Tabuk and Tabuk with lion's head (very), Lithuanian canvas frogs, North Korean AK47 model 58 with the straight blade (very) and bowie blade (very), North Korean Model 68 (somewhat), Polish Beryl black 6X4, Polish 6X4 training bayonets, Romanian thin grip 6X3 (somewhat), Romanian 6X4, Russian Border Guards green 6X4s (extremely), Russian 6X5 plum, Russian thin crossguard 6X5, Russian 6X9 (extremely), Russian square pommel 6X3 (very), and South African 6X4 (from Romania) (very). |
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Great write-up, OP!
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Very cool thread!
How common is titanium for the blade? I picked up one of these assuming the listing was correct. It’s long yet light with a balance point at the forward edge of the grip side plate. Also magnetic. At least it looks like titanium. Titanium? 6H2 |
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Originally Posted By Karankawa: Very cool thread! How common is titanium for the blade? I picked up one of these assuming the listing was correct. It’s long yet light with a balance point at the forward edge of the grip side plate. Also magnetic. At least it looks like titanium. Titanium? 6H2 View Quote Unfortunately, it's not titanium and none have ever been titanium. That link has it wrong, it's just carbon steel left in the white. If you read the comments from other buyers, you'll see they find out the blade can be magnetized, so it's not titanium. The ad also says they're Finnish bayonets, but it would be impossible to verify that without examining one. Finnish 6X2s would be nearly identical to the Russian ones - even including Russian arsenal stamps - but would have a contract stamp as well, plus the scabbard would not have a drain hole. Finally, the ad says they're all from different Russian factories, but only one factory made those. |
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Updated with Czech VZ-58 type 3 bayonet, East German orange AKM Type 2 bayonet, and a brown Egyptian. Have a look!
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This should be pinned to the top of this forum.
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Global Warming Hoax Skeptic before it was cool
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Originally Posted By Tyrvidar: This should be pinned to the top of this forum. View Quote Not going to happen, it clogs up the first page and nobody pays attention to tacked thread anyway. Instead I did what I think works better. I "toggled" the archive toggle and thread will not go into the archives. So interested posters should set their bookmarks. |
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Originally Posted By dryflash3: @Tyrvidar Not going to happen, it clogs up the first page and nobody pays attention to tacked thread anyway. Instead I did what I think works better. I "toggled" the archive toggle and thread will not go into the archives. So interested posters should set their bookmarks. View Quote Just as good! Thank you sir, good knowledge being shared here. |
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Global Warming Hoax Skeptic before it was cool
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Originally Posted By Tyrvidar: Just as good! Thank you sir, good knowledge being shared here. View Quote I don't know everything, but I'll share what I do know. I have one issue with this. Being a mod I can see an icon denoting that a thread is toggled when I see the thread list. Everyone else doesn't see that icon. I have always wondered why that is? In the past posters will BTT, back to top, or Tag a thread so a toggled thread will not slip into the archives. They can't see the icon, so they don't the thread is toggled. So I let them know it's toggled, set your bookmarks, and hang on for the ride. |
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