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Posted: 10/24/2007 4:02:50 PM EDT
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I know its been asked a zillion times but my search function dosent go far enough back. Can you guys tell me how many compliance parts are required with and without a muzzle break. Thanks |
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Stamped rifle...5 without muzzle device, 6 with the threaded barrel. If muzzle device is permanently affixed it does not count as a separate part but becomes part of the barrel. Milled receiver...4 without a muzzle device, 5 with the muzzle device on threaded barrel. |
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The only ones that might offer confusion that I can think of off the top of my head: Fire control group = 3 parts Handgaurds = 1 part (just an upper or just a lower counts for nothing) Magazine = 3 (floorplate, follower, body) Springs, pins, and screws don't count. |
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Copied for you; For reference, the currently accepted total parts count for a Stamped Receiver AK style rifle with a Threaded Muzzle attachment is as follows: (fww..the current Romy kits consist of all items on this list) 1. * Receiver 2. Barrel 3. Front Trunion & Rear Trunion (stamped receiver; only front trunion is counted) 4. Bolt 5. Bolt Carrier 6. * Gas Piston 7. * Hammer 8. * Trigger 9. * Disconector 10.*Buttstock 11.*Pistol Grip 12.*Front Handguard & Foregrip (count as one part) 13.*Threaded Muzzle Attachment (brake or flash hider) 14.*Magazine Body 15.*Magazine Follower 16.*Magazine FloorPlate The * ones are available in US parts. Count is [16] rear trunion is not amongst the counted parts |
US mag counts as 3 parts. Body, follower, mag baseplate. Here are the countable parts a stamped AK type rifle (non sporting) everything but the trunnion, bolt and bolt carrier is available as a US part for 7.62x39 rifles as far as I can figure: 1. receiver 2. barrel 3. muzzle attachment 4. gas piston 5. trunnion (part into which barrel is inserted) 6. bolt 7. bolt carrier 8. hammer 9. disconnector 10. trigger 11. buttstock 12. pistol grip 13. handguard set (counts as one even though two parts) 14. magazine body 15. magazine follower 16. magazine floorplate. A milled receiver does not need a separate trunnion so a milled rifle has one less part. Rifle without threaded muzzle has one less part or if the muzzle device is permanently affixed it becomes part of the barrel (such as the AMD barrel extensions). For the rifle to be in federal compliance, no more than ten of the above can be imported parts. I post this quite frequently but it always drops off the accessible postings. I know it is tacked somewhere but the exact location on the site escapes me. |
Good info guys. Thanks to Mak for the info about the milled AKs. Didn't know that before. Good to know.  Just an FYI to round out this thread. The most commonly replaced parts are listed below. This is what Century replaces on their WASRs, etc.- US pistol grip US trigger group; 3 parts (hammer, disconnecter, trigger) US gas piston US slant break/muzzle device (if applicable) Replacing magazine parts with US made parts isn't a great option in my opinion. If you do that you can only use mags with US parts then. You'll probably end up spending more on all those mag parts (esp. if you have a decent sized mag stash) than you would just dropping the $40 on a Tapco G2 trigger or something. I like a rifle that can (legally) use any of the extremely common and available mags. |
So the buttstock and handgard are out on WASR's? That's good because I'd like to get the buttstock and handgard for the East German AK for mine. |
Copes Distributing DPHArms.com K-VAR Blackjack Buffers RPB Tapco AA-ok.com Ironwood Designs AKparts.com Tickbite Supply Global Trades No longer sells rifles or receivers. DSA Blackthorne Products SKSman www.veriforcetactical.com/ |
sweet Thanks.
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Not that I know of, but it's not on the list anyway.
No. ETA: An Ultimak and a US lower handgaurd would count for one, though. |
You forgot the receiver. As long as its made here, and just about all of them are, that also counts as a compliance part. I prefer to use the original pistol grip on my builds and use all the other US parts you listed plus the reciever to make the correct parts count. |
For Vectors, Lancasters, ORFs, most Global Trades, yes... Though WASRs have Romanian receivers. |
Correct, the receiver counts as a part on builds. Buuuut.... I'd like to be able to use the import pistol grip, but Century Romanians use Romanian receivers, so you can't use it towards your parts count. |
| I was talking about building up from a kit. Does century sell Romy made semi-auto receivers by themselves or are you talking about taking a WASR or SAR, and changing out parts? Most guys building up from a kit will use a US made receiver such as a NoDak/DCI which will count towards your compliance parts. If you are taking an imported 100% gun and switching out stuff, like you would do with a thumbhole stock Mac90 or a saiga12, then ignore the part about the US made receiver. |
I'm not sure how a G2 compares directly, but I can tell you that the G2 is a very nice trigger. Light and pretty smooth. It is available in double hook. If your MAK90 is the way it was when it was imported you are OK, but if you switched it around to have some more of the "evil features", you will need US parts. Not sure exactly what configuration your rifle is in so I can't be sure. |
Copes Distributing down near bottom left of the page. Apparently TAPCO has stopped making the double hook FCG whether temporarily or permanently I don't know but if you want one Copes has the best price that I know of currently. Blackjack Buffers www.gunthings.com/galil.htm |
DPHArms has them for a good price too- dpharms.com/tapco-g2-double-hook-trigger-group-p-40.html Although I received an order from him a week ago and there was a problem with a couple parts (sent me an SKS recoil spring instead of the AK recoil spring I ordered...Also got a defective G2 hammer, but that isn't his fault.). Emailed him about returns a week ago today and have yet to hear anything... I've dealt with them in the past though, and they seem to be a great company. Site sponsor too. Just must be really busy or something. |
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OK, I'm a little dense here. So the rifle is OK to be imported with all foreign parts, but once you change out the stock or fore-end you need to change out a total of 5 parts minimum? Or is all of this talk about people that are doing builds? I only wonder because I recently purchased a MAK90 and want to put some cool accessories on it. All of my other rifles have been modified in some way, just never thought that an AK would be any different. I had just planned on adding a Galil style forend, T6 stock, and pistol grip. Maybe I'll have to add a trigger group just to be on the safe side. |
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jc45xd If you want to keep that sweet trigger you can get your parts count right on your MAK by installing a US pistol grip and stock,gas piston and followers and floorplates.Be advised you must use only those mags in your rifle.For somebody who might be satisfied with only 3 or 4 mags this would be an option to not change out the FCG. Or consider US handguards(both upper and lower pieces count as only one part)and any of the above mentioned combo to add up to five parts with a non threaded muzzle. |
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So, it sounds like the stock trigger group is better than the tapco g2's? If not, it seems like a cheap way to get 3 parts. Next question, I haven't tore the rifle down yet, but how hard is it to replace the gas piston? Also, what is involved with changing out the mag followers (they are $3 apiece)? With US mag followers, stock, grip, forend, gas piston, and brake I should be covered. Otherwise, I will just do the trigger group and skip the gas piston and followers. Should've done more research before I started this build. 
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Just put the G2 in. It is a great trigger. Get the retaining plate with it while you are at it. Or just go to the hardware store with one of the trigger group pins and buy some E clips that will fit. You do not want to put the shepherds hook back in. Major pain in the butt. This is the plate I'm talking about- www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=761374 Here is a G2- www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=799634 There are some places with a little better pricing. You can shop around a little. This is what an e clip looks like. I recently heard of this method, haven't tried it myself. I can only personally vouch for the retaining plates. The e clips should work though, and be much cheaper.- www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/productIndex.shtml?operator=prodIndexRefinementSearch&originalValue=e+clip&L1=Fasteners%2C |
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It's a matter of what type of rifle you have, or more specifically whether you have two "notches" cut out of the receiver or just one. Don't know exactly how to explain it in just words (wish I had pics...), but on the bottom of the receiver where the trigger is there is the square cut out.. At the front of the square cutout there will be either one small notch on one corner of the square, or a notch by each of the front two corners of the square cut out. Not sure what MAK90s have... Another thing to keep in mind is a stock double hook trigger will not fit in a single hook receiver, but a single hook trigger group will work in both a single and double hook receiver. So if you aren't certain what you have and want to be on the safe side a single hook will work in anything. BUT, if you do know for certain you have a double hook receiver go ahead and order that. It's supposed to be just a little nicer to have. Single hooks still work great though. So if you pick up a G2, a US pistol grip, and maybe a gas piston (or something else that counts as a US part. Maybe a US made buttstock if you want to go synthetic...), you will be good to go. If you have a threaded muzzle you can add a US made slant break and still be in the clear. As long as it is a US made slant break you are fine, otherwise you need to add another US part somewhere else... ETA: sounds like it is a double hook... |
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tag Got a MAK90 (no muzzle attachment) as well ... probably going to replace the following with US parts: buttstock (wood) FCG (Red Star Arms ($$$) or Tapco G2 trigger) Handguards (wood) Pistol grip Got some Norinco 7.62x39mm bakelite mags that would look neat with an all-wood AK. |
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Thanks again, I think I have everything straight now. Am I the only one that thinks the law here is kinda odd? Are AK's the only ones with this issue, never heard of anything like this in the pistol world where lot's of guns are imported and American parts are added? BTW what is the penalty for an AK with the incorrect number of parts? Is it Federal Prison time or you just lose your gun? |
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Pistol, such as AK pistols don't need compliance parts. There are rules under the 1968 GCA which affects pistol importability. This was to limit the importation of Saturday night special types of pistols I believe after the death of R. Kennedy. This brought into being the sporting purposes test. This was expanded in 1989 through an executive order by President Bush which limited the importation of named rifles etc.. with ever expanding limitations through decisions by the BATF, such as the recent barrel ban. Rifles could not have evil features when imported, thus the adding of US parts to make the rifles what are considered US made rifles instead of imported rifles. These limitations also affected US built rifles during the Assault Weapon Ban from 1994 to 2004 when the ban on US rifles with evil features sunset. People mistakenly believe that imported rifles can have any features with any parts due to the end of the ban. That is true only when the rifle essentially becomes a US built rifle by reducing the number of imported parts. |
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I'm still a bit confused after reading this thread. If I order a complete Romanian AK, does it already have the correct number of US parts, or do I need to buy 6 US-made parts? I don't want to be in violation of the law just for installing a couple of US-made parts. |
| New rifles from Century have the compliance parts. Thumbhole stock postban guns most likely don't if someone didn't install them. Gun parts kits don't have them unless the seller (like dpharms.com) is selling sets with compliance parts included like they often will do. |
The Chinese rifles use a pin through the piston which you have to drill and knock out. First you have to find the pin though as it is peened flush and blue over on the bolt carrier. Century welds their pistons. The piston should have some wobble (I'm not very good at changing out pistons, have put a drill bit through my finger and have got the pistons too tight with no wobble though they still worked). When installing your new piston, screw it into the carrier, then back it out some so it wobbles a bit, when I did it then I should have backed it out a bit more. Then drill though the hole in the bolt carrier and through the gas piston threads so you can secure it with your new cross pin. You then peen the cross pin flush. The first one I ever did looks like hell as I was grinding on the carrier with my dremel and got carried away. The second one looks pretty good but when I peened the cross pin the piston tightened up and doesn't wobble though it may loosen up when installed and fired. |
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