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Posted: 11/26/2012 11:01:30 PM EDT
| I'm curious about the durability of the FastFire III? I want a red dot on one of my Arsenals and I know you get what you pay for. I'm thinking either the FF3 on the MI rail or a PRO in a RS mount at about twice the price. |
Here are some pics, it uses the same mount as the Burris FastFire 
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I'm thinking either the FF3 on the MI rail or a PRO in a RS mount at about twice the price. The FF3 won't co-witness on the MI handguard mount unless you have your rear sight raised considerably. I did not find this to be an acceptable workaround. The FFII will co-witness, but, IMHO, it's not as good as the FFIII. To be honest, it's hard to imagine using anything else after using the FFIII... it's the best MRDS until you hit the RMR's price range. I have no idea which RS mount you think is going to fit the Fastfire. |
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I haven't had my FF3 long enough to speak on long-term durability, but I am very happy with it thus far. Burris really nailed it with the FF3, the updates they made over the FF2 are a homerun in my book and well worth the modest up-charge from the FF2. The little guy is so lightweight and small, it's like it isn't even there. Perfectly at home on my Vepr 12.   |
| Hi. I had that same set up so I thought it would be helpful to let you know a couple of things. If you intend to use the Burris on the mount with the see through dust cover, you will have to modify it a little. The front edge of the Attero mount blocks the front of the dust cover from being able to seat all of the way. What I did was file off a little bit of the front of the hood, just enough to set and afterwards it sets nice and tight. I used a rotary tool and it too about 5 minutes. There will still be a little bit of a black border below the front window of the dust cover if you succeed. That did not void my warranty with Burris. I sent it in after it failed me on the fourth range trip and now my new sealed one is up for sale. I also wanted to let you know that the rear sights of the Attero mount are too low to practically use with the Burris mounted. When my burris failed me, I had to dismount it to use the Attero sights accurately. Also, Aterro's customer service sucked for me and the front sight they send is loose. I used locktight but it didn't help much so I used super glue. The dot on the front sight is painted on and it was off center. Really poor quality. I sold the Attero mount and am selling the Burris because I am going with the TWS dogleg rail and Aimpoint micro T-1, but if I still wanted the current configuration, I would choose the Midway Industries mount. For one, it is now cheaper than the Attero mount. For two, I could be wrong but i believe the Burris will sit further back on that mount so you would not have to modify the sight's dust cover. The rear sights built in to the MI mount may still be low though. If you can help it at all, I would advise you to go a whole other route with your AK. The Burris cannot hold up for long against 7.63x39 recoil and the battery door cover is easy to strip. It appears that people are having better luck with Primary Arms micro dots. AND you can get a mount for that one too. Just some info and a thought. Good luck. |
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Hi. I had that same set up so I thought it would be helpful to let you know a couple of things. If you intend to use the Burris on the mount with the see through dust cover, you will have to modify it a little. The front edge of the Attero mount blocks the front of the dust cover from being able to seat all of the way. What I did was file off a little bit of the front of the hood, just enough to set and afterwards it sets nice and tight. I used a rotary tool and it too about 5 minutes. There will still be a little bit of a black border below the front window of the dust cover if you succeed. That did not void my warranty with Burris. I sent it in after it failed me on the fourth range trip and now my new sealed one is up for sale. I also wanted to let you know that the rear sights of the Attero mount are too low to practically use with the Burris mounted. When my burris failed me, I had to dismount it to use the Attero sights accurately. Also, Aterro's customer service sucked for me and the front sight they send is loose. I used locktight but it didn't help much so I used super glue. The dot on the front sight is painted on and it was off center. Really poor quality. I sold the Attero mount and am selling the Burris because I am going with the TWS dogleg rail and Aimpoint micro T-1, but if I still wanted the current configuration, I would choose the Midway Industries mount. For one, it is now cheaper than the Attero mount. For two, I could be wrong but i believe the Burris will sit further back on that mount so you would not have to modify the sight's dust cover. The rear sights built in to the MI mount may still be low though. If you can help it at all, I would advise you to go a whole other route with your AK. The Burris cannot hold up for long against 7.63x39 recoil and the battery door cover is easy to strip. It appears that people are having better luck with Primary Arms micro dots. AND you can get a mount for that one too. Just some info and a thought. Good luck. Agree with him about the cover, but the rest, no. My attero mount works perfectly on my rifle. I can cowitness through the FFIII perfectly. Not sure what he means by the front site? I will say though, the attero mount did not line up perfectly with the holes on my sight block. I had to ream the attero out a little with a drill so that the pin would go all the way through. I don't plan on using it on any other rifle so this wasn't a big deal for me. The FFIII is really nice though. Much better than the II as you don't have to take it off to replace the batteries. I think there is also a dimming feature that wasn't available on the II. |
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Hi. I had that same set up so I thought it would be helpful to let you know a couple of things. If you intend to use the Burris on the mount with the see through dust cover, you will have to modify it a little. The front edge of the Attero mount blocks the front of the dust cover from being able to seat all of the way. What I did was file off a little bit of the front of the hood, just enough to set and afterwards it sets nice and tight. I used a rotary tool and it too about 5 minutes. There will still be a little bit of a black border below the front window of the dust cover if you succeed. That did not void my warranty with Burris. I sent it in after it failed me on the fourth range trip and now my new sealed one is up for sale. I also wanted to let you know that the rear sights of the Attero mount are too low to practically use with the Burris mounted. When my burris failed me, I had to dismount it to use the Attero sights accurately. Also, Aterro's customer service sucked for me and the front sight they send is loose. I used locktight but it didn't help much so I used super glue. The dot on the front sight is painted on and it was off center. Really poor quality. I sold the Attero mount and am selling the Burris because I am going with the TWS dogleg rail and Aimpoint micro T-1, but if I still wanted the current configuration, I would choose the Midway Industries mount. For one, it is now cheaper than the Attero mount. For two, I could be wrong but i believe the Burris will sit further back on that mount so you would not have to modify the sight's dust cover. The rear sights built in to the MI mount may still be low though. If you can help it at all, I would advise you to go a whole other route with your AK. The Burris cannot hold up for long against 7.63x39 recoil and the battery door cover is easy to strip. It appears that people are having better luck with Primary Arms micro dots. AND you can get a mount for that one too. Just some info and a thought. Good luck. Agree with him about the cover, but the rest, no. My attero mount works perfectly on my rifle. I can cowitness through the FFIII perfectly. Not sure what he means by the front site? I will say though, the attero mount did not line up perfectly with the holes on my sight block. I had to ream the attero out a little with a drill so that the pin would go all the way through. I don't plan on using it on any other rifle so this wasn't a big deal for me. The FFIII is really nice though. Much better than the II as you don't have to take it off to replace the batteries. I think there is also a dimming feature that wasn't available on the II. Pics please |
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http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j289/crsswift70/DSCN1789_zps94622602.jpg http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j289/crsswift70/DSCN1786_zps0fb96be9.jpg Couldn't get the camera down low enough for the co-witness view, but it does. You can see the pin in the first picture. Let me know if it doesn't fail you after about 600 rounds. The II did not have the auto adjust. I was meaning the front post. They sent me a new front post with mine but the white dot was off center. As far as your pics, the FFIII only allows for 1/3rd cowitness so if you are somehow getting absolute cowitness, it must be a really odd cheek weld. You file the Burris dust cover down, or leaving it off? |
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http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j289/crsswift70/DSCN1789_zps94622602.jpg http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j289/crsswift70/DSCN1786_zps0fb96be9.jpg Couldn't get the camera down low enough for the co-witness view, but it does. You can see the pin in the first picture. Thanks a lot for the pics! Man your dot looks VERY defined, mine looks like a plate of scrambled eggs at all brightness settings |
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http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j289/crsswift70/DSCN1789_zps94622602.jpg http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j289/crsswift70/DSCN1786_zps0fb96be9.jpg Couldn't get the camera down low enough for the co-witness view, but it does. You can see the pin in the first picture. Thanks a lot for the pics! Man your dot looks VERY defined, mine looks like a plate of scrambled eggs at all brightness settings It may be your eyes and not the optic. Try taking a picture of the optic, if it's defined in the pic then you know your eyes are at fault. |
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http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j289/crsswift70/DSCN1789_zps94622602.jpg http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j289/crsswift70/DSCN1786_zps0fb96be9.jpg Couldn't get the camera down low enough for the co-witness view, but it does. You can see the pin in the first picture. How is the zero on your irons? Whas it hard to zero up the irons? How does the front sight post interact with the rear attero posts? Thanks for all your help |
| My irons were dead on out of the box. I threw on the FFIII and put the red dot right at point of impact for the irons. Took all of 30 seconds to sight it in. The rest of the magazine was just fun plinking. It would hit a 250m man sized plate no problem. As far as the scrambled eggs.. the dot isn't as defined to me when i look through it. Not a problem at all, its just like 6 tiny little dots merged in to one, if that makes sense. The Attero mount that replaces the rear sight has another rear sight built in to it. They co-witness perfectly. If the FFIII failed, you wouldn't have an issue with using the irons. |
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I liked what LaRue did a few years back with the AK Iron Dot.
They placed a shroud over the Doctor or Burris fast fire, to give the glass some shelter. I have two of those mounted for about 3 years now no issues. Only gripe is i seem to lose zero when I replace the battery. |
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