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Posted: 6/11/2007 1:40:54 PM EDT
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I have found on numerous reputable gun auction site people selling full auto parts kits. Can they do that? Or instead of meeting the UPS guy at my door will it be the ATF?he Please advise! |
 This is full auto fire control parts set. The smaller spring on top of pic is shepherd's crook. shepherd's crook ... not hook  It can be replaced with this Shepherd's Crook Installation instructions www.blackjackbuffers.com/index.php?main_page=crook |
Is that the correct technical designation from Kalashnikov? It is a fire control group axis pin retaining spring in my opinion on a semi-auto rifle. Shepard's crook/Shepard's hook, no big difference. Both names have been used through history for the device used by a shepard or for other devices that resemble it. Google both and you will see that either is in common use so it really doesn't matter which version is used. With the original in a full auto AK-47 it doesn't resemble a shepard's hook/crook at all until it is cut down to use in a US semi-auto rifle. K-VAR advertises them as a retainer spring. TAPCO calls them retainer springs DPHarms calls them a Axis pin retaining wire spring Linx310's site uses both shepard's hook/crook So.....If you want to use the correct terminology for the cut down version....It is a axis pin retaining spring. |
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hacko.gifI am confused about the shepherd crook(what ever it is called). Do i have to replace the wire (looking) hook with that bar devise to keep it legal? What is a rate reducer |
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One would still have to use a drilling fixture to alter one's receiver...and then go to jail |
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No you don't have to use the Red Star Arms replacement retainer plate to keep it legal. But you do cut the excess coil off the wire to make the shepard's hook correctly. The excess is not needed in the semi-auto rifle. The RSA retainer is a worthwhile replacement for the $12.00 though instead of struggling with the shepard's crook. (see, I use both version interchangably). What is a rate reducer? You can throw that part away as you won't be needing it for a build. Or sell the entire fire control group and just use a US made set for your build for 922(r) legal compliance as most people do. You can probably build up a parts set using the original hammer, trigger and disconnector legally but the FCG is an easier item to replace with a US set if you want to use the stockset and gas piston that comes with a part set. That way your US parts in a build can be: Receiver hammer trigger disconnector pistol grip slant brake/muzzle device or 2 parts can be replaced with a mag follower and baseplate in every mag inserted into the rifle. Or you can use a US Promag instead of 3 other parts if you want and if you find one that functions 100%. There is a guy on this site and at gunco that makes US baseplates that will work on all caliber Bulgarian polymer mags. If you use these mags exclusively it is a good way to get an additional US compliance part so that you can change out a compliance part such as the pistol grip for a foreign one. If you are looking to get a Romanian parts kit just buy from dpharms.com instead of an auction site. Get one of his that comes with a TAPCO G2 FCG and pick up other parts needed for a build right there. |
I am confused about the shepherd crook(what ever it is called). Do i have to replace the wire (looking) hook with that bar devise to keep it legal?
I do not know what Kalashnikov calls it. It is auto sear spring. Since someone mentioned this hook, crook, I posted a pic of that thing for those who have not seen it before. ETA:  Another type crook-hook for retaining hammer and trigger axis pins.  Diagrams of mounting different types of crooks, hooks. |
Once it is cut down for use as a axis pin retainer (the only thing it functions as when cut down) it would no longer be a spring for an auto sear. |
Yes. C'mon Mak, I give up on this hook, crook, retaining pin, auto sear spring, whatever it is, and whatever it was. |
That was great man! But, This whole hook and crook thing is rediculous almost as rediculous as the Gun/rifle, clip/mag, safetyon/safety off arguements. To me its a hook because 1. it hooks around the pins. and 2. Shepards crook just sounds stupid. To answer the OPs questions. Yes it is legal to sell and buy full auto kits.....But you can not build it into a full auto. Buy the kit, Buy a US made trigger kit and the "Retainer plate" that is sold in place of the shepards hook. Its much easier to put in and out than the original spring. But know this, Its not like building an ar, where not unlike LEGOs, you take parts that are already to size and slide them into hole that are already there, you actually have to have some tools and skills. Unless you know someone who has the stuff and has done it before or plan on sending it to someone to have it built. |
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