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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Help M70AB2 Malfunctions? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 5/20/2008 6:27:33 PM EDT
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I have fought this rifle for to long and cant win. Today after having let it sit for a few weeks I went off to the pit to function test. It is the same gun I have bitzhed on here for 3 months about. A Century build M70AB2 UF w/ grenade sight. Loaded up a mag and heres what happened. Charge the gun and fire it, bang.... shell does not clear out and sets up a failure to eject. Clear it then charge a rounf....Bang.... shell ejects but for some reason new round does not charge??? Charge a round, pull trigger bang.... shell clears but does not feed a new round. Change mags.... same thing, it either is a failure to eject or failure to feed??? What The F--K HELP?????????????.... Does anybody have a px for Century in Vt??????????????? |
| Mine is a Global M&T reciever. I did call Century today to ask status. They recieved it on the 13th and told me it takes about two weeks for anything other than "recieved" to show up in their system so call back next week. Oh, purchased in late April 08. Based on the posts on this board and others there was a bad lot that went out. Just hope they can fix it as I like the gun and don't see any more like them out there. |
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My gun is a DCI and Century should be ashamed of them selves for putting out such a POS. You people who think these are such good guns are nuts. Everyone I talk with who bought one in the past year has had problems. The RMA numbers with Century are over 25,000 returns so they really have a problem. I sold a Romanian that functioned flawlessly to buy this Yugo and it never worked right from day one. A real Piece of Shizt. Back it goes! Purchased 10/2007 for those tracking the lot by buy dates. I recall it came from J&G Wholesale out of Shotgun News. |
They should be, but they're not. Their business model is performing as designed. You are their QC, and they are prepared to deal with the fallout on a case by case basis it seems. 
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Century is a crap ass company, and their products are unsafe. But it was a good deal and I don't mind doing some of the grunt work myself. Rule #1 When owning a Cheaply built AK Model: Be Prepared to repair faults in the rifle. My Century is fine after Replacing/Repairing the following: New Magazine Latch Busted Barrel Pin after 1200+ rounds, Drilled Trunnion for new heavy duty pin. The Original trunnion holes were uneven all the way through. Slightly Bent Sight leaf (Hammered it flat) Refinished the wood and gun for an even look... |
| It is perfectly reasonable for someone to expect a rifle to be functional, regardless of the cost. Fit and finish are a separate issue that can be directly linked to cost and justifiably so. Most people who purchase these rifles are not aware of Century's reputation prior to the purchase and therefore make the purchase in good faith. Century preys on the public's ignorance. |
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I also had the bent sight on mine. I was told that the Yugo's were the best gun and like I said ditched a flawless Romanian. This makes me so mad that my blood is boiling. The return issue and shipping cost is also a factor. I had disposed of the box a week before finding out the gun was a POS because of a nagging wife complaining about clutter and the foam pop corn all over the house. I am now trying to track down a box to return it. With UPS and insurance I suspect the return cost will be around 35.00 or so. Think twice on this one. I wish one of you experienced AK wrenches were a local because I would rather not return this to the monkeys! Whats a guy to do but let them have it back. I guess all I can hope for is a fast swap with beter fitting parts. |
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FUNNY STUFF...... I boxed up my gun cost $4.50 in material and tape. Had my wife drive the 17 miles needed to get to the shipping store where she was charged $53.00 to ship it (10lbs.) with $500 insurance coverage. This is just salt in the wound. WHAT A BAD EXPERIENCE FOR ME, THIS BETTER WORK WHEN IT COMES BACK OR I WILL GO POSTAL |
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man I am glad I got a good one. I have 1000+ rounds and just a couple of failure to fires but i beleive it was ammo related as it was 20+year old surplus crap that had been sitting in a guys grage for the past 10 years. mine does have a slighty bent front site guard but nothing a pair pliers couldnt fix hope all goes well for you all and I hope centry will fix the problems on a timely manner. |
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How do you explain the habitual failure to eject on a mag latch? The gun should eject properly even without a mag in the gun. This is caused by either extractor or gas system problems on top of a suspect mag latch. Just want to let all the other Century owners know were getting it in the rear with this deal. I never had a gun with such issues.,.............never |
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shit mine was near perfect, I bought a HC Yugo B1 from Classic Arms They hand picked the BEST prior to coating, I also asked them to make sure they sent me one without canted sights and nice mag fit. It came as expected, and ran great once I reversed the gas block bolt. I must of had a guy from century that knows his shit that built my AK, I count myself lucky from all of the others I see having problems |
Mine was ejecting feebly (or not at all), hammer wasn't cocking, wouldn't pick up a cartridge from the magazine. I discovered that the bolt carrier was binding on the receiver rails near the point of bolt lockup. This was on a DCI receiver. 15 minutes of careful filing on the rail for clearance to let the bolt carrier move freely and polishing trigger surfaces seems to have cured the problem. More details here if anyone's interested. |
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Thanks for the info Tom this type of exchange is great for all Century owners. I tore my gun down early on and was frustrated to see my DCI build had internals that literally looked like they had been in a war or two or three. They were beat to death. The gas piston was severly pitted and everything was crap. I did not have a binding issue and lubed the gun beyond the norm for a test to see if friction or binding was an issue. I think I had multiple problems that made up my mind to send it back. What stinks is I have wasted alot of range time and money on a POS gun. I sold a sweet Romar AK that was a GEM to get the coveted UF and ended up with crap. My local dealer bragged how good these Century guns were but he had no idea how deep the issues are. Since then he is better educated and more cautious to making such a claim. I will keep in touch to let everyone know how Century treats this return and help anyone I can in a similar situation. Thanks for your interest and reply to the thread! |
Spoke to Century on Friday. They claimed that the piston had to be replaced because it was worn out. How does that get through the line ? I hope that is all it needed. Is replacing a piston something I could have done myself (lack of gun smithing specific tools not withstanding)?
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I took another quick trip to the range, and fired # 2 UF and it ate another 4 mags w/out a problem. The two replacements work fine, and cycle perfect slow or as fast as I can pull the trigger. UF # 1 is definately more accurate at 25, or 125 yds. First off it really sucks to get a new rifle (never mind 2) and both don't work, and then you have to ship em' back...then hope you get one(s) that work....Tantel on the way from Atlantic......I had enough gut churning from CIA, I kept wondering if I would get two more duds...and when I saw the "new" ones were Global M&Ts my guts starting again, but when I ripped off 3 mags through each one the fun was back. good luck....... |
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The gas piston replacement requires some mechanical ability. There is a really good do it your self thread in another area of this site that gives you the step by step process. To explain in 50 words or less. Break down the gun and clean all the parts. Locate the rivet on the piston and rod. Note the slight wobble Drill the old rivet or pin out and clean up any burs Install new piston (verify length) with rivet or pin being peaned. Finish by grinding down exposed material to return to finish similar to what you started with. Slight wiggle needed to aid with operation |
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This is somewhat surprising...I have an M70AB2 on a DCI receiver with a S/N under 1k. My gun works flawlessly. After several thousand rounds, there haven't been any issues or notable wear/tear. IIRC, these guns initially got a very positive review. Did later builds go to shit or something? I have had around a dozen Century AK's. I would buy them for a song, impulsively then sell them....then buy another and so on. Out of all of this, I have only had one that didn't work. This was a WASR10 that would bind up after firing one round. I abused the shit out of most of these rifles with no ill effect. Once bounced out of the back of a moving truck into a flooded ditch. It was in there for almost a day before it could be recovered. Despite being chewed up, it functioned perfectly for another thousand rounds. I have had several other AK's too, ranging from Maddi's to Polytechs/Norinco/BWest and others, and functionally my Century's were the same. Obviously, fit and finish always sucked*except for my Yugo*, but functionally they were always great. AKM's in use by militaries the world over aren't milled Arsenal's or Polytech Legends. Countries buy Romanian AKM's for around 60.00 a pop for thier militaries. AK's were supposed to be manufactured by low-skilled workers, and Eastern Block manufacturing is hardly East Coast, USA. Comparing my SAR1 or WASR GP to captured AK's that I have seen didn't yield very many differences, except the obvious select fire parts. The AK's used all over the globe are more like Century AK's than Arsenal. Other Century guns are hit and miss, but I think Americans are used to high-quality firearms with excellent fit/finish. This is the antithesis of an AK... I am suprised to hear that these Yugo's are giving people trouble now. Seriously, did this change recently? I remember these being very well received and thinking Century was finally shedding thier old reputation. |
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My gun is a DCI Century with a low serial number. Maybe the alpha codes tell more about build date or batches. When I first started bringing this to light I was warned by the moderator to "Stop the fear mongering" WTF did he work for Century Arms? These guns are having more problems than any on the planet. I also have owned numerous AK builds from pre-stockton Norinco stamped to Romanian (ROMAR) and never had a problem. I wanted a UF so I sold my flawless fixed stock Romy and added a few bucks to get a new M70AB2. I let it sit a few weeks and when I started to shoot it I discovered problems. My guess is there are thousands of these guns sitting in boxes owned by people who are thinking long term investment. Bad news for them because alot of defects loom. Wait you will hear more people with problems my RMA# was over 25,000 which means alot of defects if some guys are fixing the defects them self. I know my gun had several issues and was not a quick fix. I thought because my gun was DCI that I was safe but not the case. Most common problems: Failure to feed Failure to eject Canted rear sight Worn gas piston Poor accuracy Action binding Over milled mag latch If anyone else has information please let us know so we all learn what to look for to get a better running AK. |
To clarify, the moderator in question was referring to you repeatedly "warning" of the use of non-numbers matching kits in these rifles in multiple threads on this board. Century's use of non-matching kits is a well known and established fact on this site and you went a little overboard in spreading the "news". For the most part I agree with your message, but the way you arrived on this board and starting posting your particular problems put a few people off. No harm, no foul in the end. |
Handguns must travel via UPS or FedEx Next Day Air. Long guns can be shipped via UPS/FedEx Ground or US Postal Service. |
That's standard return/warranty procedure for 99% of all companies. Frustrating I know. hinking.gif |
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You guys are living a dream but the facts are there are thousands sitting in safes as investments that when pulled "WON'T WORK" ! Thousands sent back to CIA and more to come, take my advice and buy a Mr. Fix It Book chances are your gun will malfunction soon. They were tossed together by CIA and shipped out to consumers who were screwed...ENJOY I should have just kept my ROMAR |
| I gotta tell ya, I have shot 2 of my Century builds (third one is on the way). The first had several feeding problems and had to go back after the first time to the range. I got it back a month later and it worked flawlessly. The other is an older Century build on a NoDak Spud receiver that has eaten everything I have put down its throat. The jury is still out on the effectiveness of these rifles over my M&P15, but I have had jams with that rifle as well. I wouldn't call any modern rifle 100% reliable. |
No company has a 100% perfect product rate. I think you've made it clear you got the lemon. Why don't you wait til you get your rifle back and see how it performs and then post up with results. Mine works perfectly right out of the box and I am 100% satisfied and happy with it. And recommend their product. |
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Well, I got my Yugo underfolder out of layaway last week. Took it to the range today and shot about 300rnds through it. 0 problems. The only thing I did notice is that the spent casings go everywhere. Some go 10-15 feet, others only go about 3-8 feet. No pattern to them, they just go all over. All my other Ak's generally put the casings out 8-15 feet in the same general area. |
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Not to get off topic but Smith M&P is a new build. They have some isues most relate only to the mags. If you can get the HK maritime M16 - 416 mags the guns run 100% if you know how to lube them. They love to be wet with CLP, drippy wet in the action so they smoke when they get hot. I am sure there will be some "EXPERT" who disagrees but I train alot of shooters in a carbine course and the only guns that fail are the dry ones. If you can get a Colt 6920 M4 they are 99.99% reliable as I have never seen one break. All my life I was taught the AK is simple and foul proof. I owned several and never had an issue. Since the CA M70AB1 I have a new understanding of them and there are issues I can't fix. I will carry my M4 should Satan call. |
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I think I am going to GO FUZUNK CRAZY............. I just tried to seat a mag in the gun and it won't lock in. I tried 5 different AK mags from old beaters to brand new and the catch will not grab the mag ear? Looks like it's tolerences are off. Can you even believe it, I send it back for repairs and it comes back with a new problem. I have not even shot it yet and something is FUBAR. I am DONE with Century........ to the shop and out with the dremmel! |
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