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6/16/2011 12:36:04 PM EDT
Will modifying an AK mag by grinding down the tabs in the mag so



that on the last shot the bolt hits the back of the follower shorten the life of the follower



or have any other negatives effects? Thanks



I just my mags in from AIM with the chinese style follower, and I want to make them BHO mags but



not if there are any cons to it.
6/16/2011 12:39:03 PM EDT
[#1]
I don't know what "tabs on the mag" are, but you need a flat-back follower to function as a BHO.
6/16/2011 12:42:46 PM EDT
[#2]



Quoted:


I don't know what "tabs on the mag" are, but you need a flat-back follower to function as a BHO.


The 2 metal "spots" that keep the follower from going high enough to stop the bolt from coming forward.



The followers on my mags are flat-backed



 
6/16/2011 12:48:29 PM EDT
[#3]
Ahhhhh!!! I think I know what you mean. The little dimples!

Off the top of my head I don't see why you couldn't. Do the Chinese mags have "hollow backs" on the follower? If so, the only thing I'd worry about would be distorting the follower if so.

6/16/2011 1:33:58 PM EDT
[#4]



Quoted:


Ahhhhh!!! I think I know what you mean. The little dimples!



Off the top of my head I don't see why you couldn't. Do the Chinese mags have "hollow backs" on the follower? If so, the only thing I'd worry about would be distorting the follower if so.





It doesn't have any metal on the back of the raised part, I'm assuming thats what hollow back means.



I share your concern about the follower, I was hoping someone on here had done this mod to these type of mags and could tell me



if it damages them over long use



 
6/16/2011 2:08:32 PM EDT
[#5]
I would imagine if would have to damage the followers eventually. My Yugo BHO mags all have smashed sections of the flat back where the bolt slams into it. Without the face on the back of the follower, you are slamming your bolt into a thinner lip, which will eventually deform, or even possibly cause a line to develop in the lug that smashes into it. All this is theoretical of course, but I wouldn't try it without a flat back face on the follower.

I have always wondered though about why someone doesn't start making BHO followers in this country. Then they could either pound down or grind down the dimples inside the magazines, or maybe just make the follower clear the dimples on both sides... Could be lucrative. 8-10 dollar AK magazine + 2 dollar US BHO follower = 15-20 dollar BHO magazine? They would sell.
6/16/2011 3:35:22 PM EDT
[#6]
I saw an online tutorial about making BHO magazines for the AK using JB Weld and a spent shell casing. Would that be a decent option?
6/16/2011 4:29:46 PM EDT
[#7]
I'm going to do it with one of my mags, and I'll test it by loading 1 round and shooting it over and over,



probably 100's of times. I'll post pics before and afterwards
6/16/2011 6:10:32 PM EDT
[#8]
I have a few thousand rds through mags I modified. They are fine.
6/16/2011 6:46:51 PM EDT
[#9]



Quoted:


I have a few thousand rds through mags I modified. They are fine.



Were they the "hollow back" followers, or the other kind?



 
6/17/2011 6:39:33 AM EDT
[#10]
Both.  The hollow ones do take a little hit but they still work fine.  I'll snap a few pics tonight.
6/17/2011 6:44:20 AM EDT
[#11]



Quoted:


Both.  The hollow ones do take a little hit but they still work fine.  I'll snap a few pics tonight.


Thanks, I appreciate it



 
6/17/2011 4:13:29 PM EDT
[#12]
Since my mags are all loaded, I wasn't to unload them all to find the hollow ones. I found 1, I have 6 more but they are the same.


6/17/2011 4:19:27 PM EDT
[#13]
Thanks!



Looks like I'm going to be busy with the dremel tonight lol
6/17/2011 4:29:55 PM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:
Thanks!

Looks like I'm going to be busy with the dremel tonight lol


Easier than dremeling you can just use a punch to hammer down the tabs inside the magazine. Less chance of messing anything up and you also won't have bare metal left afterwards.
6/17/2011 5:24:38 PM EDT
[#15]
Just curious, is it worth the trouble since the bolt will slam home when you remove the mag, and you still have to rack the charging handle after locking in a loaded mag.
6/17/2011 5:28:31 PM EDT
[#16]



Quoted:


Just curious, is it worth the trouble since the bolt will slam home when you remove the mag, and you still have to rack the charging handle after locking in a loaded mag.


I'm going to notch my safety lever



 
6/17/2011 6:16:14 PM EDT
[#17]
I'm going to notch my safety lever

That's what's you need to do.  Mine is.
6/17/2011 8:51:28 PM EDT
[#18]
In my opinion notching the safety lever actually solves nothing. The BHO feature is for knowing instantly that your rifle is empty.

Without the BHO your bolt closes exactly as it always does, you aim at your target, and go click. With it, the rifle feels and sounds different, the trigger doesn't reset at all and a quick visual check confirms that you are indeed empty.

Then you just reload as normal.

The concept of the bolt needing to stay locked back is inconsequential. Even if the bolt stayed back, you still have to pull on the charging handle to release it, or use the modified safety. There is absolutely no need for the bolt to remain back when the magazine is removed. All I care about is knowing that the weapon is empty before I try to engage a target with it.
6/18/2011 6:55:36 AM EDT
[#19]
I disagree.  There are ranges that want the action open on a cold line. Also with the bolt back it allows it to cool better.  Maybe in function when your going through mags it doesn't matter but when you not it does. Not like you taking anything away from the function of the lever if you do notch it.  May as well have the option.  Also as soon as you take a mag out the bolt slams forward & then you have to charge it again.
6/18/2011 8:41:43 AM EDT
[#20]
Quoted:
In my opinion notching the safety lever actually solves nothing. The BHO feature is for knowing instantly that your rifle is empty.

Without the BHO your bolt closes exactly as it always does, you aim at your target, and go click. With it, the rifle feels and sounds different, the trigger doesn't reset at all and a quick visual check confirms that you are indeed empty.

Then you just reload as normal.

The concept of the bolt needing to stay locked back is inconsequential. Even if the bolt stayed back, you still have to pull on the charging handle to release it, or use the modified safety. There is absolutely no need for the bolt to remain back when the magazine is removed. All I care about is knowing that the weapon is empty before I try to engage a target with it.


Agree 100%
6/18/2011 10:09:55 AM EDT
[#21]
The AR needs a bolt release because the charging handle is not in a convenient place. The AK does not need a bolt release because the charging handle is easily accessible.

An AK with BHO magazines works exactly like an M1 Carbine with BHO magazines. Bolt slams home after you remove the magazine. The only purpose is to let you know it's empty. Even the charging handle is in the same location on an the weapons.
6/19/2011 9:27:33 AM EDT
[#22]
I did mine a while back and have many 1000's of rounds through them in a Draco and an AKM w/o any issues. Here's a link...

AK pattern BHO mags and safety
6/19/2011 9:57:40 AM EDT
[#23]
Quoted:
Also as soon as you take a mag out the bolt slams forward & then you have to charge it again.


It's actually less movements to change the mag then charge it again than it is to put the safety on, change the mag, then put the safety back on fire.

The range requiring the action locked open is the only reason I see to notch the safety.  At those ranges I just use a chamber flag or use spent brass to hold the action open.
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