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Posted: 4/17/2012 1:49:30 PM EDT
Im not a big fan of filling out paperwork for anything. Im not paranoid, I just feel like its useless info to fill out paperwork for a receiver and putting out all my information out there, especially because I don't know if i want to use it for a future build or sell it. I found that I can build my own receiver paperwork free, but it will not be heat treated, and probably not as durable. For instance a nodak spud receiver requires paperwork from your local ffl. Its an amazing receiver quality wise but again requires your information. I would like to know the pros and cons and what everyones take would be on this? Would you prefer the quality receiver with your name in a system youre unsure of? Or would you rather build one yourself that isn't heat treated? what are the benefits of a heat treated receiver? or is there a way to get a quality heat treated receiver without paperwork? Again im still unsure of which option to make. Id like your responses to be informative and help weight my decision in a decisive direction because im not sure which route to go. thanks! 
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It really depends on how paranoid you are, I guess. Why would it benefit you to have one un-registered? I do see the benefits of having a receiver "off the books", but the only reason I would build a rifle on an un-registered receiver would be due to cost, or pride in my own workmanship. Not to mention the obvious reason: they don't know you have it.
On the other hand, Nodak Spud receivers are pretty awesome to build on, and are fully heat treated. |
| well cost yeah, "them" not knowing i have it, yeah. both good reasons. lol. but what is the big benefit of having a heat treated receiver? i guess im looking for a "common" scenario where a heat treated receiver would benefit me over a non heat treated receiver? |
| Spot treatment around the FCG axis holes would be a definite must if you're going to use your own receiver. After a short while, the axis holes will start to elongate and work themselves out of spec. As far as the rest of the receiver, I would hesitate running it through heavy use. The forces might start bending your receiver apart, or a few drops and the sheet metal might start warping. I built a G kit on an untreated receiver, and experienced the same problems. |
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well cost yeah, "them" not knowing i have it, yeah. both good reasons. lol. but what is the big benefit of having a heat treated receiver? i guess im looking for a "common" scenario where a heat treated receiver would benefit me over a non heat treated receiver? It'll be less durable, as it in the axis pin holes and the ejector will wear out in less than 500 rounds. |
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If you worried about it bend then mock it it up to a kit drill your holes etc. Take a barbecue pit fill with some coals force air with a hair dryer from the bottom. Heat till it is no longer magnetic. Dunk in oil clean it then temper it in the oven for a hour at 475 degrees. Good to go.
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If you worried about it bend then mock it it up to a kit drill your holes etc. Take a barbecue pit fill with some coals force air with a hair dryer from the bottom. Heat till it is no longer magnetic. Dunk in oil clean it then temper it in the oven for a hour at 475 degrees. Good to go. Except that it will warp the receiver beyond use. But what's the fear of being on the books of owning a firearm? Doesn't bother me if "they" know. |
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I've always hated buying firearms "on paper" too. Tried not to for most of my life, but sometimes you just come across deals too good to pass up even if you have to do a 4473...
Someone I know once told me, "well it's too late for me now" (bc of all the papered guns they owned) "the only thing left for me to do now is make sure I have enough, and the right ones (on paper) that "they" don't ever want to come fuck with me!" If you own one single gun "on paper" besides a .22 or a shotgun, then I'd say you are as likely as anyone else to "be on the radar" if a registration/collection scenario ever were to arise. Therefor, I wouldn't worry yourself with second thoughts about it now. Get what you want if you find a deal you like. Now me personally, I've always placed a bit of an extra "premium/value" on private sales where I could get what I wanted w/o having to do paper... IE a pistol I may feel like paying $479 for retail @ the gun shop, I may consider just as good a deal @ $500-510 otd on a private sale. There are always internet classifieds and gunshows if it's a big deal to you. I will say this about the receivers. I'd much rather do a 4473 on one than have one w/o a proper heat treating process done to it. They are already just stamped sheetmetal material, so to run one that hasn't had a good heat treatment done to it is a guarantee of winding up with junk. B-West comes to mind here... |
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It really depends on how paranoid you are, I guess. Why would it benefit you to have one un-registered? I do see the benefits of having a receiver "off the books", but the only reason I would build a rifle on an un-registered receiver would be due to cost, or pride in my own workmanship. Not to mention the obvious reason: they don't know you have it. On the other hand, Nodak Spud receivers are pretty awesome to build on, and are fully heat treated. In most states there is no gun registry, and 'doing the paperwork' is not the same as registration. I would not deny myself any gun or receiver I wanted because of the background check. |
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You have to get a 4473 for a NoDak Spud reciever? I thought they were like 80% lowers, and you didn't need a transfer. All the AK receivers we offer are considered to be a firearm, and must be shipped to a currently licensed firearms dealer. We don't offer less than 100% AK receivers. Harlan NoDak Spud LLC |
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There is another side to this as well. I bulit an AR on an 80% with out markings and was afraid I would get hasseled if it had no markings.Even though its totally legal to do I still had it engraved.
Once they are engraved there is no hassle sending them out for work to be done. I had them engraved at Orion Arms, they did an excellent job, |
. The gov can barely, if at all trace their own firearms. You give them way too much credit..
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