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11/18/2006 1:21:17 AM EDT
Hi,
I'm new to AK's. Just recieved my first. GP WASR 10. Why is the muzzle break slanted down to the left (about 7 o'clock) instead of straight down. I think I've seen others like this also. Is this one of the many QC issues I've heard about, or is there a reason for it? Sorry if this is a dumb question, just trying to learn.

Thanks,
a-bare
11/18/2006 1:41:30 AM EDT
[#1]
If you ever clean/borelight, your barrel (make sure its unloaded).....you'll see little grooves, that run down the barrel.

AFAIK, the Russians did that, as on automatic fire, the AK, will climb, and twist, due to the barrel twist rate.

I think.....anyone else, explain this better?
11/18/2006 12:39:55 PM EDT
[#2]
My understanding is that the weapon will naturally rise up and right. The right movement comes from the bolt carrier contacting the left side of the trunnion with more force. The slant directs the gases so that the weapon is pushed down and to the left. Not sure if what I've said is accurate.
11/18/2006 12:42:32 PM EDT
[#3]
I think the idea Walrus wrote to is similar to what i've previously read as well.
11/18/2006 1:05:20 PM EDT
[#4]
Thanks, guys. Makes perfect sense to me.......theoretically.

a-bare
11/18/2006 1:32:48 PM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
My understanding is that the weapon will naturally rise up and right. The right movement comes from the bolt carrier contacting the left side of the trunnion with more force. The slant directs the gases so that the weapon is pushed down and to the left. Not sure if what I've said is accurate.


This was the reason I was told as well.
11/18/2006 2:40:54 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
My understanding is that the weapon will naturally rise up and right. The right movement comes from the bolt carrier contacting the left side of the trunnion with more force. The slant directs the gases so that the weapon is pushed down and to the left. Not sure if what I've said is accurate.



The right movement comes from the fact that you're holding it with your right hand.
11/18/2006 3:48:06 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:

Quoted:
My understanding is that the weapon will naturally rise up and right. The right movement comes from the bolt carrier contacting the left side of the trunnion with more force. The slant directs the gases so that the weapon is pushed down and to the left. Not sure if what I've said is accurate.



The right movement comes from the fact that you're holding it with your right hand.


So every gun shot by a right handed shooter should have a similar slant brake? I'm not tracking.
11/18/2006 5:55:20 PM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
My understanding is that the weapon will naturally rise up and right. The right movement comes from the bolt carrier contacting the left side of the trunnion with more force. The slant directs the gases so that the weapon is pushed down and to the left. Not sure if what I've said is accurate.



The right movement comes from the fact that you're holding it with your right hand.


So every gun shot by a right handed shooter should have a similar slant brake? I'm not tracking.


Well it seems to make sense (to me anyways) that if you're firing right-handed, when the gun recoils it would get pushed to the right because your body is to the left of it and it can't move that way.

Or something...

But I always thought it had more to do with the way the bullet was spinning when it came out of the barrel.

Eh, whatever, it works.
11/18/2006 5:57:19 PM EDT
[#9]
completely "Low Tech", but damn effective!! (Thus Totally AK!)

BIGGER_HAMMER


11/18/2006 6:43:53 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
Hi,
I'm new to AK's. Just recieved my first. GP WASR 10. Why is the muzzle break slanted down to the left (about 7 o'clock) instead of straight down. I think I've seen others like this also. Is this one of the many QC issues I've heard about, or is there a reason for it? Sorry if this is a dumb question, just trying to learn.

Thanks,
a-bare


Ok I'm confused? You have a Slant Muzzle Brake correct? And you state that it is at or about the 7 o'clock position. Now I don't care if your looking at the clocking from the muzzle end or the receiver end. 7 o'clock means your brake is pointing downward. NOT what you want. Your brake slant should be upward. If you look at a slant muzzle brake from the receive end, the brake should be at about 1 o'clock. 11 o'clock if you look from muzzle.
Reason being is once you fire a cartridge, the discharged gases will compensate somewhat for muzzle rise. (two forces working against each other) If you have a slant pointed down, that will emphasize, or increase muzzle rise.
Just my thoughts on that.

Mort
11/18/2006 7:23:11 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Hi,
I'm new to AK's. Just recieved my first. GP WASR 10. Why is the muzzle break slanted down to the left (about 7 o'clock) instead of straight down. I think I've seen others like this also. Is this one of the many QC issues I've heard about, or is there a reason for it? Sorry if this is a dumb question, just trying to learn.

Thanks,
a-bare


Ok I'm confused? You have a Slant Muzzle Brake correct? And you state that it is at or about the 7 o'clock position. Now I don't care if your looking at the clocking from the muzzle end or the receiver end. 7 o'clock means your brake is pointing downward. NOT what you want. Your brake slant should be upward. If you look at a slant muzzle brake from the receive end, the brake should be at about 1 o'clock. 11 o'clock if you look from muzzle.
Reason being is once you fire a cartridge, the discharged gases will compensate somewhat for muzzle rise. (two forces working against each other) If you have a slant pointed down, that will emphasize, or increase muzzle rise.
Just my thoughts on that.

Mort


Sorry, but you are incorrect If the brake was at 6 o' clock, the gases are pushing the muzzle DOWN. If you had the brake at 12 o' clock, the gases would be pushing the muzzle UP.
11/18/2006 7:25:02 PM EDT
[#12]
This is how the slant should look when correctly installed on the rifle:

11/18/2006 8:03:00 PM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:
My understanding is that the weapon will naturally rise up and right. The right movement comes from the bolt carrier contacting the left side of the trunnion with more force. The slant directs the gases so that the weapon is pushed down and to the left. Not sure if what I've said is accurate.


THis sounds about right, for me were the slant brake comes into play is with the pistols in 7.62 The pistol muzzle seems up and back and withe the break on really helps keep themuzzle down and takes 40 - 45 % (my guesstimate).

So instead of the right hand deal with most of the recoil it get distributated to both hands for quicker follow up shots.  
11/19/2006 9:57:35 AM EDT
[#14]
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Quoted:
Hi,
I'm new to AK's. Just recieved my first. GP WASR 10. Why is the muzzle break slanted down to the left (about 7 o'clock) instead of straight down. I think I've seen others like this also. Is this one of the many QC issues I've heard about, or is there a reason for it? Sorry if this is a dumb question, just trying to learn.

Thanks,
a-bare


Ok I'm confused? You have a Slant Muzzle Brake correct? And you state that it is at or about the 7 o'clock position. Now I don't care if your looking at the clocking from the muzzle end or the receiver end. 7 o'clock means your brake is pointing downward. NOT what you want. Your brake slant should be upward. If you look at a slant muzzle brake from the receive end, the brake should be at about 1 o'clock. 11 o'clock if you look from muzzle.
Reason being is once you fire a cartridge, the discharged gases will compensate somewhat for muzzle rise. (two forces working against each other) If you have a slant pointed down, that will emphasize, or increase muzzle rise.
Just my thoughts on that.

Mort


You are correct. Maybe I was just stating it wrong. The long end of the muzzle break is at 7 o'clock looking from the reciever end.

While we're on the subject of right and left handed shooters...I shoot left handed. Is this going to direct the flash and gases more toward my face? I could get my machinist buddy to make me a new break with the notch for the detent positioned so the break sits straight. The break on my AR directs the pressure straight up. Of course I realize the AR is a smaller caliber. He could make it out of polished stainless steel for a little barrel-bling!!
11/19/2006 1:09:47 PM EDT
[#15]
Here is a video of a AK being rapid fired with a muzzle nut. You will notice the rise up and to the shooters right of the muzzle.

video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8234138251382336831&q=AK47


Next video is of the same shooter firing a different rifle with the slant brake on. There is more noticeable control of the muzzle with the slant brake.

video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1105563682583461025&q=AK47
11/19/2006 4:58:15 PM EDT
[#16]
Screw it in and line it up to the hole on the front site...

11/19/2006 4:59:10 PM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:
This is how the slant should look when correctly installed on the rifle:

img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/hi2u/ak_slant.jpg


Exactly. Maybe I am 180 degrees out on my thinking? But I was looking at which way the "Slant" should be pointing, in respect to upward or downward. It seems to me if the "Slant" is pointing downward, not only is that bad....you may be holding the rifle upside down..



Mort
11/19/2006 5:54:26 PM EDT
[#18]
From what I've read, it only matters in full auto fire.
11/20/2006 4:57:52 PM EDT
[#19]
The only important thing is that it looks right.
11/21/2006 11:56:27 AM EDT
[#20]
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The only important thing is that it looks right.hatI'm screamin'.  a-bare
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