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Posted: 12/3/2009 3:38:29 PM EDT
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Thanks for luring me to the dark side. I'm an AR 15/M1 carbine guy, for some reason I needed an AK. Anyway, my new CIA Yugo underfolder seems to hang-up a bit with the bolt all the way rearward. Now, I've not fired it, this happens when cycling it with both ammo in the mag and no mag at all. Could this be a luberication issue? Thank you for the help fellas. |
It is common for an AK bolt to drag in two places: the hammer (tends to hold the bolt open) and the piston (tends to snag about half way closed). Why ? Probably because the AK design is a POS. Still, this piss-poor design/construction does not appear to affect functional reliability too much, presumably because the spring strength and bolt mass are enough to overcome these rough edges. Just accept it for what it is - a piece of Soviet agricultural machinery designed for illiterate peasants. When I introduce new shooters, I like to start them with the AR, then transition to the AK - the invariable response I get once they fire a few shots from the AK is  .
If you want refinement, go back to your AR. I own both, and the AK rarely comes out of the safe nowadays. |
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It is common for an AK bolt to drag in two places: the hammer (tends to hold the bolt open) and the piston (tends to snag about half way closed). Why ? Probably because the AK design is a POS. Still, this piss-poor design/construction does not appear to affect functional reliability too much, presumably because the spring strength and bolt mass are enough to overcome these rough edges. Just accept it for what it is - a piece of Soviet agricultural machinery designed for illiterate peasants. When I introduce new shooters, I like to start them with the AR, then transition to the AK - the invariable response I get once they fire a few shots from the AK is .
If you want refinement, go back to your AR. I own both, and the AK rarely comes out of the safe nowadays. CAn I have your AK? 
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It is common for an AK bolt to drag in two places: the hammer (tends to hold the bolt open) and the piston (tends to snag about half way closed). Why ? Probably because the AK design is a POS. Still, this piss-poor design/construction does not appear to affect functional reliability too much, presumably because the spring strength and bolt mass are enough to overcome these rough edges. Just accept it for what it is - a piece of Soviet agricultural machinery designed for illiterate peasants. When I introduce new shooters, I like to start them with the AR, then transition to the AK - the invariable response I get once they fire a few shots from the AK is .
If you want refinement, go back to your AR. I own both, and the AK rarely comes out of the safe nowadays. That's odd. Many trained professionals have the opposite opinion.
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It is common for an AK bolt to drag in two places: the hammer (tends to hold the bolt open) and the piston (tends to snag about half way closed). Why ? Probably because the AK design is a POS. Still, this piss-poor design/construction does not appear to affect functional reliability too much, presumably because the spring strength and bolt mass are enough to overcome these rough edges. Just accept it for what it is - a piece of Soviet agricultural machinery designed for illiterate peasants. When I introduce new shooters, I like to start them with the AR, then transition to the AK - the invariable response I get once they fire a few shots from the AK is .
If you want refinement, go back to your AR. I own both, and the AK rarely comes out of the safe nowadays. On the flip side I had a rock river that was more FINIKY with ammo and mags (screwing up my range time) then my wife in a shoe store.thats what moved me to the AK. 
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It is common for an AK bolt to drag in two places: the hammer (tends to hold the bolt open) and the piston (tends to snag about half way closed). Why ? Probably because the AK design is a POS. Still, this piss-poor design/construction does not appear to affect functional reliability too much, presumably because the spring strength and bolt mass are enough to overcome these rough edges. Just accept it for what it is - a piece of Soviet agricultural machinery designed for illiterate peasants. When I introduce new shooters, I like to start them with the AR, then transition to the AK - the invariable response I get once they fire a few shots from the AK is .
If you want refinement, go back to your AR. I own both, and the AK rarely comes out of the safe nowadays. Then why are you even in the AK section? 
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| Another thing to check is rail clearance. (assuming its not milled) I picked up a cheap CAI 47 and it was TIGHT. Strip it all the way down. Hammer and everything out. Put your bolt and spring back in and cycle feeling for any hangups. Flat file the sides as needed till everything works smooooooth. Put it back together and the only thing it should hang on is the hammer which is normal. Lube or grease that to your hearts content and then don't worry about it. (just don't take off too much. WAY hard to put metal back) |
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Hi guys, Thanks for luring me to the dark side. I'm an AR 15/M1 carbine guy, for some reason I needed an AK. Anyway, my new CIA Yugo underfolder seems to hang-up a bit with the bolt all the way rearward. Now, I've not fired it, this happens when cycling it with both ammo in the mag and no mag at all. Could this be a luberication issue? Thank you for the help fellas. easy: go and shoot it. 
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It is common for an AK bolt to drag in two places: the hammer (tends to hold the bolt open) and the piston (tends to snag about half way closed). Why ? Probably because the AK design is a POS. Still, this piss-poor design/construction does not appear to affect functional reliability too much, presumably because the spring strength and bolt mass are enough to overcome these rough edges. Just accept it for what it is - a piece of Soviet agricultural machinery designed for illiterate peasants. When I introduce new shooters, I like to start them with the AR, then transition to the AK - the invariable response I get once they fire a few shots from the AK is .
If you want refinement, go back to your AR. I own both, and the AK rarely comes out of the safe nowadays. Seriously?
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It is common for an AK bolt to drag in two places: the hammer (tends to hold the bolt open) and the piston (tends to snag about half way closed). Why ? Probably because the AK design is a POS. Still, this piss-poor design/construction does not appear to affect functional reliability too much, presumably because the spring strength and bolt mass are enough to overcome these rough edges. Just accept it for what it is - a piece of Soviet agricultural machinery designed for illiterate peasants. When I introduce new shooters, I like to start them with the AR, then transition to the AK - the invariable response I get once they fire a few shots from the AK is .
If you want refinement, go back to your AR. I own both, and the AK rarely comes out of the safe nowadays. 
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It is common for an AK bolt to drag in two places: the hammer (tends to hold the bolt open) and the piston (tends to snag about half way closed). Why ? Probably because the AK design is a POS. Still, this piss-poor design/construction does not appear to affect functional reliability too much, presumably because the spring strength and bolt mass are enough to overcome these rough edges. Just accept it for what it is - a piece of Soviet agricultural machinery designed for illiterate peasants. When I introduce new shooters, I like to start them with the AR, then transition to the AK - the invariable response I get once they fire a few shots from the AK is .
If you want refinement, go back to your AR. I own both, and the AK rarely comes out of the safe nowadays. 
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When I introduce new shooters, I like to start them with the AR, then transition to the AK - the invariable response I get once they fire a few shots from the AK is .Since you're clearly clueless about the AK, this is no surprise.
Perhaps you should do the newbies a favor and stay away from them. Send them to someone who can teach them properly.
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It is common for an AK bolt to drag in two places: the hammer (tends to hold the bolt open) and the piston (tends to snag about half way closed). Why ? Probably because the AK design is a POS. Still, this piss-poor design/construction does not appear to affect functional reliability too much, presumably because the spring strength and bolt mass are enough to overcome these rough edges. Just accept it for what it is - a piece of Soviet agricultural machinery designed for illiterate peasants. When I introduce new shooters, I like to start them with the AR, then transition to the AK - the invariable response I get once they fire a few shots from the AK is .
If you want refinement, go back to your AR. I own both, and the AK rarely comes out of the safe nowadays. thats odd...i wonder why most if not all the private contractors in the sand box are carrying AK POS's |
| The only contractors I worked with that were using AKs was Armour Group. But that was back in the days a ways. And they only used AKs because they were having issues importing other arms and ammunition. I think their using SIG552s now. I don't know, I lost touch with those guys a while back. |
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The only contractors I worked with that were using AKs was Armour Group. But that was back in the days a ways. And they only used AKs because they were having issues importing other arms and ammunition. I think their using SIG552s now. I don't know, I lost touch with those guys a while back. everybody that i am in touch with over there, wants to use the AK because of the realiability; or either a Krink. |
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It sounds like you are making the most common mistake of new AK owners and babbying the bolt handle forward. Pull it all the way and let it fly. It is the way it was made to work.
As far as AK vs AR, blah, blah, blah. For a SHTF weapon use whatever you are most comftorable with. Personally, I have my AK ready to go as my SHTF weapon. I know it will ALWAYS fire and I am dead on accuate with it's iron sights. |
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OK. I'd be interested to see a major security firm issuing AKs. It's been a few years so maybe things have changed. I'm just saying the only companies I saw that were issuing AKs were the companies subcontracted to Parsons. Armor Group was one of them. CRG too. And as far as I know they all switched to Sigs. The AKs were not well liked by the PSD team members I talked to. I would imagine most of the larger more reputable companies still operating in either IZ or Central Asia are issuing modern rifles by now. Could be wrong.
Anyway, the Century underfolder I have is a pile of garbage. You shouldn't have to do any filing to get a rifle to function properly. But I knew Century's rep before I bought it and I just accept it for what it is. Cheap trashy fun gun. |
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It sounds like you are making the most common mistake of new AK owners and babbying the bolt handle forward. Pull it all the way and let it fly. It is the way it was made to work. As far as AK vs AR, blah, blah, blah. For a SHTF weapon use whatever you are most comftorable with. Personally, I have my AK ready to go as my SHTF weapon. I know it will ALWAYS fire and I am dead on accuate with it's iron sights. They aren't just hanging up charging a round. The bolts are getting stuck while firing. It's not the shooters. It's the piss poor build of the rifle. |
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Quoted: Hi guys, Thanks for luring me to the dark side. I'm an AR 15/M1 carbine guy, for some reason I needed an AK. Anyway, my new CIA Yugo underfolder seems to hang-up a bit with the bolt all the way rearward. Now, I've not fired it, this happens when cycling it with both ammo in the mag and no mag at all. Could this be a luberication issue? Thank you for the help fellas. The bolt carrier is getting hung up on the hammer because of the very strong hammer spring, it is a non-issue. Go shoot it. |
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OK. I'd be interested to see a major security firm issuing AKs. It's been a few years so maybe things have changed. I'm just saying the only companies I saw that were issuing AKs were the companies subcontracted to Parsons. Armor Group was one of them. CRG too. And as far as I know they all switched to Sigs. The AKs were not well liked by the PSD team members I talked to. I would imagine most of the larger more reputable companies still operating in either IZ or Central Asia are issuing modern rifles by now. Could be wrong. Anyway, the Century underfolder I have is a pile of garbage. You shouldn't have to do any filing to get a rifle to function properly. But I knew Century's rep before I bought it and I just accept it for what it is. Cheap trashy fun gun. I can't speak to major security firms, but would you consider TF373 and CJSOTF-A to count? If so, all the guys from both those units I worked with during my 6 months between Bagram and FOB Salerno kept an AK in their MRAPs and Humvees for when they actually got into the shit. They kept their M4's around for political reasons, but they rarely used them, and typically it was only if they were already out of 7.62x39 for their non-official rifles. Feel free to keep trolling with your useless BS though. Or, better yet, if your AK is such a piece of shit, I highly doubt anyone's holding a gun to your head and forcing you to keep it. Feel free to get rid of it and not return to the AK side of the board. I'm pretty sure I can speak for the rest of the membership when I say you won't be missed.
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| Don't be a goon. All I'm saying is I didn't SEE ANY CONTRACTORS carrying AKs accept the ones I noted above. And I didn't say all AKs are garbage or ARs are better. All I said is MY Century is a pile of garbage. The rifles hanging up has been noted by quite a few folks. Please reread everything that has been written. Why would I lie about my rifle hanging up? |
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Don't be a goon. All I'm saying is I didn't SEE ANY CONTRACTORS carrying AKs accept the ones I noted above. And I didn't say all AKs are garbage or ARs are better. All I said is MY Century is a pile of garbage. The rifles hanging up has been noted by quite a few folks. Please reread everything that has been written. Why would I lie about my rifle hanging up? Oh hey, it looks like you're in the wrong forum buddy. |
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Don't be a goon. All I'm saying is I didn't SEE ANY CONTRACTORS carrying AKs accept the ones I noted above. And I didn't say all AKs are garbage or ARs are better. All I said is MY Century is a pile of garbage. The rifles hanging up has been noted by quite a few folks. Please reread everything that has been written. Why would I lie about my rifle hanging up? Oh hey, it looks like you're in the wrong forum buddy. Why is that? Look folks, I didn't once trash Kalashnikovs. I trashed a particular importer and my particular rifle. And I apologize for that. Sorry. If I didn't like the weapon platform I wouldn't have bought one. Hell, I like ALL firearms. Ya'll are reading more into what I wrote then what was intended. Saying that I only ever saw one major contractor with AKs isn't an indictment on anybody or anything. It's a fact. And I even stated things may have changed since I was there. I even stated I'd love to learn of any other major firm issuing AKs. Why are you guys so pissed about that? Sean |
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The contractors I seen in Iraq 03-04, and the contractors I seen in A-Stan 06-07 used Aks. In fact on my Iraq deployment the only contractors that I seen personally use M16s where the guys that guarded the bases in Kuwait. It was a little less in A-Stan though, most carried M4s, but a group that came through JAF used what looked like to me TAPCO'ed AKs with rails/red dots/ect. I am not trying to start a fight, just saying what I seen.
I would rather have an AK over an AR any day, but I would not want a Century in a competition either. I think the Bulgarian, and the Russian AKs have spoiled me. The Romanian AK I have has never failed on me ever, and I can say without a shadow of a doubt that I have put more rounds through that rifle then any weapon system that I used while in the Army. To the OP, just pull back on the charging handle, and let it fly. |
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It is common for an AK bolt to drag in two places: the hammer (tends to hold the bolt open) and the piston (tends to snag about half way closed). Why ? Probably because the AK design is a POS. Still, this piss-poor design/construction does not appear to affect functional reliability too much, presumably because the spring strength and bolt mass are enough to overcome these rough edges. Just accept it for what it is - a piece of Soviet agricultural machinery designed for illiterate peasants. When I introduce new shooters, I like to start them with the AR, then transition to the AK - the invariable response I get once they fire a few shots from the AK is .
If you want refinement, go back to your AR. I own both, and the AK rarely comes out of the safe nowadays. I'm the exact opposite. I own 6 Ar variants and 4 AK variants. The AKs are getting WAY more range time these days, especially my 74 since ammo is so cheap. |
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Quoted: The contractors I seen in Iraq 03-04, and the contractors I seen in A-Stan 06-07 used Aks. In fact on my Iraq deployment the only contractors that I seen personally use M16s where the guys that guarded the bases in Kuwait. It was a little less in A-Stan though, most carried M4s, but a group that came through JAF used what looked like to me TAPCO'ed AKs with rails/red dots/ect. I am not trying to start a fight, just saying what I seen. I would rather have an AK over an AR any day, but I would not want a Century in a competition either. I think the Bulgarian, and the Russian AKs have spoiled me. The Romanian AK I have has never failed on me ever, and I can say without a shadow of a doubt that I have put more rounds through that rifle then any weapon system that I used while in the Army. To the OP, just pull back on the charging handle, and let it fly. Saw, not seen. |
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Ok, I'll bite. Who gives a shit what the contractors are carrying?
OP, I’ve got a romy that does something that sounds like a mild case of what you have there. I am actually able to fully lock to bolt to the rear if I really baby the action (which I refer to not as a defect but….. a… feature!) I feel like I should say, this particular romy is better than most I have been around for both accuracy and functionality… especially for a century.. so its possible I’m just lucky. Anyhow, the weapon operates flawlessly and, only ‘snags’ when I seriously baby the action. In fact, when it snags a gentle slap on the buttstock is usually more than enough to break it free. If yours is snagging while you are firing, I would say you may have some issues. As others have said, try some oil where you see abrasions. Slam the bolt back (notice I didn’t say ‘and forth’ )as recklessly and furiously as you can imagine for about 5 minutes and see how many snags you get, then let us know. |
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It is common for an AK bolt to drag in two places: the hammer (tends to hold the bolt open) and the piston (tends to snag about half way closed). Why ? Probably because the AK design is a POS. Still, this piss-poor design/construction does not appear to affect functional reliability too much, presumably because the spring strength and bolt mass are enough to overcome these rough edges. Just accept it for what it is - a piece of Soviet agricultural machinery designed for illiterate peasants. When I introduce new shooters, I like to start them with the AR, then transition to the AK - the invariable response I get once they fire a few shots from the AK is .
If you want refinement, go back to your AR. I own both, and the AK rarely comes out of the safe nowadays. we don't care as... ....those new shooters are probably ghey fags. 
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It is common for an AK bolt to drag in two places: the hammer (tends to hold the bolt open) and the piston (tends to snag about half way closed). Why ? Probably because the AK design is a POS. Still, this piss-poor design/construction does not appear to affect functional reliability too much, presumably because the spring strength and bolt mass are enough to overcome these rough edges. Just accept it for what it is - a piece of Soviet agricultural machinery designed for illiterate peasants. When I introduce new shooters, I like to start them with the AR, then transition to the AK - the invariable response I get once they fire a few shots from the AK is .
If you want refinement, go back to your AR. I own both, and the AK rarely comes out of the safe nowadays. we don't care as... ....those new shooters are probably ghey fags.
And if they weren't, I'm sure he  "recruited" them.
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It sounds like you are making the most common mistake of new AK owners and babbying the bolt handle forward. Pull it all the way and let it fly. It is the way it was made to work. As far as AK vs AR, blah, blah, blah. For a SHTF weapon use whatever you are most comftorable with. Personally, I have my AK ready to go as my SHTF weapon. I know it will ALWAYS fire and I am dead on accuate with it's iron sights. They aren't just hanging up charging a round. The bolts are getting stuck while firing. It's not the shooters. It's the piss poor build of the rifle. Did he go and fire the weapon since his original post? Because in the original post it said he had not fired it yet. He said it was haning when he cycled it. Did I miss something? |
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Hmmm, I see my opinions about the AK have upset the fanboys somewhat . My comments were a bit tongue in cheek, but I basically stand by them. The AK is rough and ready - it's good for what it was designed to do (mass firepower by an ill-trained peasant army), and the rough cycling of the bolt is typical. I guess the designer figured that rough cycling is not a problem as long as the gun runs 100%. If you are an illiterate peasant from the Urals or the rice paddies of SE Asia, I'm sure they are great. If you a re a refined rifleman from the US, you will find the AK design aesthetically and ergonomically unappealing.
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Hmmm, I see my opinions about the AK have upset the fanboys somewhat . My comments were a bit tongue in cheek, but I basically stand by them. The AK is rough and ready - it's good for what it was designed to do (mass firepower by an ill-trained peasant army), and the rough cycling of the bolt is typical. I guess the designer figured that rough cycling is not a problem as long as the gun runs 100%. If you are an illiterate peasant from the Urals or the rice paddies of SE Asia, I'm sure they are great. If you a re a refined rifleman from the US, you will find the AK design aesthetically and ergonomically unappealing.
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I guess the designer figured that rough cycling is not a problem as long as the gun runs 100%.What was MK thinking about, concerning himself with unimportant things like reliability? If you a re a refined rifleman from the US, you will find the AK design aesthetically and ergonomically unappealing. Every mall ninja knows it's more important to have a good looking rifle (even if it does jam a lot) than it is to have a working rifle that might leave something to be desired in the appearance department. I'm especially amused at people who have learned only one way to operate a rifle and try to cover their lack of knowledge by labeling all other rifles as "ergonomically unappealing". |
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If you a re a refined rifleman from the US, you will find the AK design aesthetically and ergonomically unappealing. I was trained on the M16A2 when I was in the Army. I'm also reasonably educated and have never been to SE Asia or the Urals I prefer an AK74 Z |
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Hmmm, I see my opinions about the AK have upset the fanboys somewhat . My comments were a bit tongue in cheek, but I basically stand by them. The AK is rough and ready - it's good for what it was designed to do (mass firepower by an ill-trained peasant army), and the rough cycling of the bolt is typical. I guess the designer figured that rough cycling is not a problem as long as the gun runs 100%. If you are an illiterate peasant from the Urals or the rice paddies of SE Asia, I'm sure they are great. If you a re a refined rifleman from the US, you will find the AK design aesthetically and ergonomically unappealing.....more signs of fagotry. 
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Hmmm, I see my opinions about the AK have upset the fanboys somewhat . My comments were a bit tongue in cheek, but I basically stand by them. The AK is rough and ready - it's good for what it was designed to do (mass firepower by an ill-trained peasant army), and the rough cycling of the bolt is typical. I guess the designer figured that rough cycling is not a problem as long as the gun runs 100%. If you are an illiterate peasant from the Urals or the rice paddies of SE Asia, I'm sure they are great. If you a re a refined rifleman from the US, you will find the AK design aesthetically and ergonomically unappealing.yeah, just that an opinion that is back up by nothing...My opinion is that aesthetics never saved any bodies ass in a gun fight and a TRULY refined rifleman will do just as good with a AK except he will not have to stop in the middle of the game to fix it! |
| Thank you fellas for all the opinions and interesting information. I've now fired the gun a couple of hundred rounds and had zero problems. True, the front sight is as far right as it can go ( to zero windage), but the little UF fires well and has a bit more punch than my AR's. I'm a new dues paying member of the dark side. BTW, bolt cycles fine, I was operating it while dry-firing the gun, like a pussy. Thanks again guys. |
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