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Originally Posted By TX-Zen: I decided to paint the Browe with a new colorscheme I've been experimenting on with the AC Unity AK12 knockoff mags The Perst was already done in FDE by the previous seller and it naturally fell right in place on the SLR104 paint job https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/73202/20231130_185928-3046387.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/73202/20231130_185923-3046384.jpg Holy smokes that thing beautiful! |
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Wanting to try my Turbo K on one of my AK74's. What adapter do I need to mount to the stock threads on a 74? Thanks Edit: Forgot to mention, both my 74's are Bulgarian kits that TGI imported for a while. |
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Originally Posted By 50cal: Wanting to try my Turbo K on one of my AK74's. What adapter do I need to mount to the stock threads on a 74? Thanks YHM makes a 14x1 FH that's phantom mount Compatable. JMAC HUB adapters will work as well. Check your consentricity first! |
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Originally Posted By campower: YHM makes a 14x1 FH that's phantom mount Compatable. JMAC HUB adapters will work as well. Check your consentricity first! Thank you. |
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Originally Posted By 50cal: Wanting to try my Turbo K on one of my AK74's. What adapter do I need to mount to the stock threads on a 74? Thanks Edit: Forgot to mention, both my 74's are Bulgarian kits that TGI imported for a while. Do you know what the thread pitch is? My WASR is 14L and my Saiga is 26mm and Rearden has muzzle devices for both, and much more. I suppressed both of my AKs using their muzzle devices. |
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Originally Posted By HitTheForwardAssist: Do you know what the thread pitch is? My WASR is 14L and my Saiga is 26mm and Rearden has muzzle devices for both, and much more. I suppressed both of my AKs using their muzzle devices. I thought only certain Yugo AKs used 26x1.5 are you sure it's not 24x1.5? |
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Originally Posted By 50cal: Wanting to try my Turbo K on one of my AK74's. What adapter do I need to mount to the stock threads on a 74? Thanks Edit: Forgot to mention, both my 74's are Bulgarian kits that TGI imported for a while. https://www.reardenmfg.com/product-category/muzzle-devices/ Add a atlas mount |
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Originally Posted By aimatdeer: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/418716/1000013468_jpg-3122508.JPG Is that the AK Builder thread adaptor? Did you Rocksett it to the muzzle? I've got one for my M85 to mount my KGM R556, but haven't taken it to the range yet. I Rockett'ed the KGM muzzle device to the thread adaptor, but haven't thread locked the adaptor onto the rifle yet (I'd like to be able to remove it and swap with a muzzlebrake at will, as the can isn't dedicated to this rifle). There's a slight bit of movement in the adaptor/suppressor when attached, but an alignment rod still clears the can. 
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It is the adapter from akbuilder.com. it threads on nice and snug. Rockset on the adapter to the yhm qd flash hider but not to the threads on the gun. Flash hider with blast deflector is still a fire breathing dragon!!!Attached File |
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Question for you guys: do modern "flow-through" cans really obviate the need for adjustable gas in your typical AKM platform? More context: I'm ready to finally start buying suppressors, and was hoping to get a rifle can I could run on my 7.62x39mm Vepr. My aim is to make the rifle more enjoyable to shoot, general signature reduction (flash and sound), dampen concussion when shooting indoors, reduce operator hazards (that is, lower decibels at the shooter's ears and not suffer a ton of gas blowback in the process), and minimal impact on weapon functionality. I have zero expectation the rifle will be "quiet", let alone "hearing safe". But, if I can get some significant decrease in noise and blast, without overgassing the gun in the process, I'd be quite happy. From what I can tell, many "flow-through" cans are designed around this use-case, hence my interest. Another relevant point: to install an KNS adjustable piston on my Vepr would require permanent modification of the bolt carrier, something I'm not willing to do, which means I'd need to not just get the piston, but a spare bolt carrier as well to install it into. Based on a brief search, an AK-74 carrier (per my understanding, the Vepr is derived from the RPK-74M, so it uses a "thin stem" AK-74 BCG, and not an AKM one) is ~$150, and a KNS piston is also ~$150. So, setting up an adjustable gas system would run me ~$300. So, I figure if a low-backpressure can that doesn't need gas adjustment is ~$300 more then a "conventional can", the cost is a wash. |
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Originally Posted By 8Thousand: Question for you guys: do modern "flow-through" cans really obviate the need for adjustable gas in your typical AKM platform? More context: I'm ready to finally start buying suppressors, and was hoping to get a rifle can I could run on my 7.62x39mm Vepr. My aim is to make the rifle more enjoyable to shoot, general signature reduction (flash and sound), dampen concussion when shooting indoors, reduce operator hazards (that is, lower decibels at the shooter's ears and not suffer a ton of gas blowback in the process), and minimal impact on weapon functionality. I have zero expectation the rifle will be "quiet", let alone "hearing safe". But, if I can get some significant decrease in noise and blast, without overgassing the gun in the process, I'd be quite happy. From what I can tell, many "flow-through" cans are designed around this use-case, hence my interest. Another relevant point: to install an KNS adjustable piston on my Vepr would require permanent modification of the bolt carrier, something I'm not willing to do, which means I'd need to not just get the piston, but a spare bolt carrier as well to install it into. Based on a brief search, an AK-74 carrier (per my understanding, the Vepr is derived from the RPK-74M, so it uses a "thin stem" AK-74 BCG, and not an AKM one) is ~$150, and a KNS piston is also ~$150. So, setting up an adjustable gas system would run me ~$300. So, I figure if a low-backpressure can that doesn't need gas adjustment is ~$300 more then a "conventional can", the cost is a wash. I’d say get an adjustable gas block. Makes it do nice, and you can tune it without taking the gun apart if your shooting a mix of suppressed or unsupressed. It has been well worth the cost and time tinkering. |
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Originally Posted By hodgescl: I’d say get an adjustable gas block. Makes it do nice, and you can tune it without taking the gun apart if your shooting a mix of suppressed or unsupressed. It has been well worth the cost and time tinkering. I have looked into those, specifically the Definitive Arms offerings and the Occam Defense adjustable blocks. While I really liked the idea of readily accessible and rapidly adjustable gas settings, ultimately I've decided I don't want to do any permanent modification since the rifle is an original factory Russian gun. If we could still get new Veprs though, I'd definitely be tempted to install the Occam AGB/FSB combo and then chop the barrel to 12.5" to create a bastard "RPK-104" with adjustable gas.  9Hole reviews actually recently posted a video where they homebrewed an externally adjustable gas system onto a shorty 7.62x39 Galil ACE specifically so they could quickly dial it as necessary depending on what combo of suppressed vs. unsuppressed and full-power vs. subsonic they where running. Makes me hope for a Galil ACE Gen III with a factory AGB!  Galil PDW (tiny 7.62x39)... better than a 300blk? I've often wondered why externally adjustable gas blocks aren't more common on AK's. My theory is it's because it's a lot more work to install one vs. a KNS piston combined with there not being a ton of people trying to suppress an AK, but perhaps I'm missing something. |
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Originally Posted By 8Thousand: I have looked into those, specifically the Definitive Arms offerings and the Occam Defense adjustable blocks. While I really liked the idea of readily accessible and rapidly adjustable gas settings, ultimately I've decided I don't want to do any permanent modification since the rifle is an original factory Russian gun. If we could still get new Veprs though, I'd definitely be tempted to install the Occam AGB/FSB combo and then chop the barrel to 12.5" to create a bastard "RPK-104" with adjustable gas. 9Hole reviews actually recently posted a video where they homebrewed an externally adjustable gas system onto a shorty 7.62x39 Galil ACE specifically so they could quickly dial it as necessary depending on what combo of suppressed vs. unsuppressed and full-power vs. subsonic they where running. Makes me hope for a Galil ACE Gen III with a factory AGB!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhholco7S7AI've often wondered why externally adjustable gas blocks aren't more common on AK's. My theory is it's because it's a lot more work to install one vs. a KNS piston combined with there not being a ton of people trying to suppress an AK, but perhaps I'm missing something. Originally Posted By 8Thousand: Originally Posted By hodgescl: I’d say get an adjustable gas block. Makes it do nice, and you can tune it without taking the gun apart if your shooting a mix of suppressed or unsupressed. It has been well worth the cost and time tinkering. I have looked into those, specifically the Definitive Arms offerings and the Occam Defense adjustable blocks. While I really liked the idea of readily accessible and rapidly adjustable gas settings, ultimately I've decided I don't want to do any permanent modification since the rifle is an original factory Russian gun. If we could still get new Veprs though, I'd definitely be tempted to install the Occam AGB/FSB combo and then chop the barrel to 12.5" to create a bastard "RPK-104" with adjustable gas. 9Hole reviews actually recently posted a video where they homebrewed an externally adjustable gas system onto a shorty 7.62x39 Galil ACE specifically so they could quickly dial it as necessary depending on what combo of suppressed vs. unsuppressed and full-power vs. subsonic they where running. Makes me hope for a Galil ACE Gen III with a factory AGB! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhholco7S7AI've often wondered why externally adjustable gas blocks aren't more common on AK's. My theory is it's because it's a lot more work to install one vs. a KNS piston combined with there not being a ton of people trying to suppress an AK, but perhaps I'm missing something. True. I have a wasr so I could beat in that without any regrets. If it’s going to be a shooter and not a safe queen I’d still go with the adjustable gas block. if your careful all you damage is some paint around the pins, you can switch it back. With the definitive arms block you drill your own pin holes so you can do those anyway you want. It was simpler for me than to try and find/drill out the weld on the gas piston. I did it with a punch, hammer, rubber mallet, and hand drill. |
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Originally Posted By hodgescl: True. I have a wasr so I could beat in that without any regrets. If it’s going to be a shooter and not a safe queen I’d still go with the adjustable gas block. if your careful all you damage is some paint around the pins, you can switch it back. With the definitive arms block you drill your own pin holes so you can do those anyway you want. It was simpler for me than to try and find/drill out the weld on the gas piston. I did it with a punch, hammer, rubber mallet, and hand drill. If I'm being really truthful with myself, this rifle is probably going to effectively be a safe queen. I do shoot it occasionally, and I trust it and have it setup for "serious use" (electrooptic + sling + WML + flashhider), but I've been considering getting a 2nd AK which I wouldn't feel as bad about beating on and tinkering with the way the AK was meant to be abused. The Verpr, I have no doubt, is more than up to being used that way, but again, it's an original factory Russian rifle, and the odds of being able to buy one new again aren't looking very good currently. The part of me that wants to run it into the ground keeps getting overruled by the part of me who wants to preserve it as a piece of firearms history. My thought was if a "flow-through" suppressor worked good enough for occasional use without modifying the rifle, that would be the preferable route. And if I find myself shooting it enough to want a more optimized setup, I'll take that as a sign to go get another AK and modify it as necessary. Frankly, the Vepr is already pretty disadvantaged if I want to run a can given it's got a 16" barrel with the extra-thick RPK barrel + receiver, making it long and really front heavy. A 10"- 12.5" barrel with a standard AKM barrel profile + receiver seems like a far better suppressor host IMO. |
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My first can (yhm fat cat) is in jail still, but I've recently acquired a psa 102 and I'm having a hard time figuring out how I'll mount my suppressor to my 102. It looks like JMAC makes a qd brake that incorporates shims I could use, but I'd rather have a flash hider. Does anybody have advice for a qd flash hider with 24x1.5rh that will work with the fat cat? |
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Originally Posted By PainefulCommonSense: My first can (yhm fat cat) is in jail still, but I've recently acquired a psa 102 and I'm having a hard time figuring out how I'll mount my suppressor to my 102. It looks like JMAC makes a qd brake that incorporates shims I could use, but I'd rather have a flash hider. Does anybody have advice for a qd flash hider with 24x1.5rh that will work with the fat cat? Griffin Armament makes 1/2x28 and 5/8x24 versions, and I use a ton of them. In fact all most all of my AKs (and one of my SVDs) use the Griffin adapters, though I have also started testing the JMAC KeyMo adapters as well. I have one 24x1.5 and one 14x1 model and so far they are working great |
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Originally Posted By TX-Zen: Based on the fat cat description, it sounds like the sRx 1/2" x 28 Q.D. HUB Adapter is the mounting system, so all you should need for the PSA 102 is a 24x1.5 to 1/2x28 adapter Griffin Armament makes 1/2x28 and 5/8x24 versions, and I use a ton of them. In fact all most all of my AKs (and one of my SVDs) use the Griffin adapters, though I have also started testing the JMAC KeyMo adapters as well. I have one 24x1.5 and one 14x1 model and so far they are working great Thank you, was worried about using adapters for a suppressor, do you use rocksett or another thread locker, and if so, on which components? |
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Originally Posted By PainefulCommonSense: Thank you, was worried about using adapters for a suppressor, do you use rocksett or another thread locker, and if so, on which components? I apply to the muzzle threads to get the muzzle device to stay put, and use it inside the can if it has removable base. Some cans can swap from direct thread to QD flash hiders or QD brakes |
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Originally Posted By 8Thousand: Question for you guys: do modern "flow-through" cans really obviate the need for adjustable gas in your typical AKM platform? |
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Originally Posted By PainefulCommonSense: Thank you, was worried about using adapters for a suppressor, do you use rocksett or another thread locker, and if so, on which components? I think it’s Jmac who also makes straight 74 fsb to hub adapters that even have a built in break to save your baffles a bit. It barely adds any length and doesn’t add extra bits to come loose. Found it. Link. |
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Originally Posted By dmk0210: Yes. As long as your bore is concentric to your threads and you can verify alignment with a good quality and straight alignment rod, a SiCo Velos or HuxWrx Flow-Through is easy mode. HuxWrx even has muzzle devices that fit most of the AK threads. Excellent, that's what I was hoping to hear - sounds like a flow-through is just the ticket for my current needs. As for the risk of the bore not being concentric, this is something I've been aware of, and has been a major concern of mine. I've seen "facemount" muzzle devices offered as a possible solution for this, and it sounds fine in theory, but I'm curious to know how common and effective it actually is in practice. Additionally, are there are options worth exploring if my muzzle threads are off? |
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Originally Posted By 8Thousand: As for the risk of the bore not being concentric, this is something I've been aware of, and has been a major concern of mine. I've seen "facemount" muzzle devices offered as a possible solution for this, and it sounds fine in theory, but I'm curious to know how common and effective it actually is in practice. Additionally, are there are options worth exploring if my muzzle threads are off? Ecco Machine who makes suppressors and mounts, and is also a long time contributor over in the silencer forum once explained that some of the European AKs have what he calls "Snaky Bores". The bore itself isn't straight in the barrel. Depending on luck, it may actually come out of the muzzle at a very slight angle. Not enough to make sighting an issue or be a problem with a muzzle brake, but enough that you could need like a .40 bore on a 6" long suppressor with 7.62x39. 5.56 and 5.45 re usually easier to accommodate, just use a 30 cal suppressor. Using a shorter K-Can suppressor can help somewhat too. |
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Originally Posted By dmk0210: Ecco Machine who makes suppressors and mounts, and is also a long time contributor over in the silencer forum once explained that some of the European AKs have what he calls "Snaky Bores". The bore itself isn't straight in the barrel. Depending on luck, it may actually come out of the muzzle at a very slight angle. Not enough to make sighting an issue or be a problem with a muzzle brake, but enough that you could need like a .40 bore on a 6" long suppressor with 7.62x39. 5.56 and 5.45 re usually easier to accommodate, just use a 30 cal suppressor. Well, that's a mildly terrifying prospect. Can anything be done if you run into that short of installing a new barrel? This is also making me curious as to how overbored the historical Soviet AK suppressors where, since I assume that's how they dealt with all this. |
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Originally Posted By nictra: Always check with a rod. Especially since you spent the extra $ for a TI I didn't bother to check any of my nine hosts for my HX-QD 556 and didn't have an issue. But on this setup, and with the Ti, I definitely am. Just ordered a Hux rod this morning. |
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Originally Posted By nictra: I'm normally a bit of a gambler myself, up until I had 1 that was so bad even the wolverine would have had baffle strikes. SGL too. I always check on AKs now. ARs I will check just out of curiosity, but so far every one has passed and I have no fear on them. So what do you do to fix the ones that are out of alignment? |
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Originally Posted By TX-Zen: Based on the fat cat description, it sounds like the sRx 1/2" x 28 Q.D. HUB Adapter is the mounting system, so all you should need for the PSA 102 is a 24x1.5 to 1/2x28 adapter Griffin Armament makes 1/2x28 and 5/8x24 versions, and I use a ton of them. In fact all most all of my AKs (and one of my SVDs) use the Griffin adapters, though I have also started testing the JMAC KeyMo adapters as well. I have one 24x1.5 and one 14x1 model and so far they are working great Originally Posted By TX-Zen: Originally Posted By PainefulCommonSense: My first can (yhm fat cat) is in jail still, but I've recently acquired a psa 102 and I'm having a hard time figuring out how I'll mount my suppressor to my 102. It looks like JMAC makes a qd brake that incorporates shims I could use, but I'd rather have a flash hider. Does anybody have advice for a qd flash hider with 24x1.5rh that will work with the fat cat? Griffin Armament makes 1/2x28 and 5/8x24 versions, and I use a ton of them. In fact all most all of my AKs (and one of my SVDs) use the Griffin adapters, though I have also started testing the JMAC KeyMo adapters as well. I have one 24x1.5 and one 14x1 model and so far they are working great I use the griffen adapter with my psa 104 Posted above. |
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Any one ever use one of these m14x1lh to 5/8 adapters After my rearden incident I just wanna use my hybrid 46 on my zastava m70 https://www.silencercentral.com/products/thread-adapter-banish-m14x1lh-to-5-8x24-w-detent-for-ak-firearms/ |
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Originally Posted By 8Thousand: Question for you guys: do modern "flow-through" cans really obviate the need for adjustable gas in your typical AKM platform? Yes. The heat mitigation you get using a HUXWRX can makes it well worth the investment if you wish to suppress an AK platform over a baffled can. I have the older 762 can from 2021, and it amazes me how much cooler my AKM pattern rifles run with it vs a Sandman or Surefire. There is no comparison. It's a far more enjoyable experience to shoot. Here is my OSS can on my SG553R SBR: Attached File Of course, installing a KNS piston is not as bad as you might think. They work just as well as the original factory pistons and are as durable. I have seen zero data to suggest the contrary. |
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Originally Posted By kbi: Any one ever use one of these m14x1lh to 5/8 adapters After my rearden incident I just wanna use my hybrid 46 on my zastava m70 https://www.silencercentral.com/products/thread-adapter-banish-m14x1lh-to-5-8x24-w-detent-for-ak-firearms/ The Hybrid 46 is Hub threaded isn't it? Why not use JMac X37 and skip the stacking of adapters and mounts? It's shorter, lighter and probably safer (because it's face mount). https://www.jmac-customs.com/muzzle-devices/suppressor-mounts/x-series-hub/ |
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Originally Posted By dmk0210: The Hybrid 46 is Hub threaded isn't it? Why not use JMac X37 and skip the stacking of adapters and mounts? It's shorter, lighter and probably safer (because it's face mount). https://www.jmac-customs.com/muzzle-devices/suppressor-mounts/x-series-hub/ I bought one of these last year and a xl mount and a 5.56 rearden brake fkr a fde ar build And alignment rods When I went to mount the rearden device with the alignment rod and rocksett and figured out the shims I needed so it wouldn't be on the fsb Some how tye rearden muzzle brake threads deformed and stripped on the muzzle thread Boy did I break put a cold sweat  Don't wanna try that again I got a picture in here some where in this thread Attached File |
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Thinking I may just go with a dead air pbs1 Keep the hybrid 46 were it is for now ( in its box ) |
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Originally Posted By kbi: I bought one of these last year and a xl mount and a 5.56 rearden brake fkr a fde ar build And alignment rods When I went to mount the rearden device with the alignment rod and rocksett and figured out the shims I needed so it wouldn't be on the fsb Some how tye rearden muzzle brake threads deformed and stripped on the muzzle thread Boy did I break put a cold sweat Don't wanna try that again I got a picture in here some where in this thread https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/77256/20231108_000545_jpg-3019701.JPG I don't think we are talking about the same thing. JMac makes a lot of different mounts. The Jmac X37 mount I'm talking about has an integrated brake. You can't mount a Rearden brake on it. You thread the X37 mount on your barrel (no shims required with the 360 brake version) and you thread the suppressor on the X37. It doesn't get any simpler than that. https://www.jmac-customs.com/shop-by-product-type/muzzle-devices/x-series/x37-hub-1-375-24/ |
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Originally Posted By themao: Yes. The heat mitigation you get using a HUXWRX can makes it well worth the investment if you wish to suppress an AK platform over a baffled can. I have the older 762 can from 2021, and it amazes me how much cooler my AKM pattern rifles run with it vs a Sandman or Surefire. There is no comparison. It's a far more enjoyable experience to shoot. Here is my OSS can on my SG553R SBR: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/10504/IMG_0166_jpg-3226234.JPG Of course, installing a KNS piston is not as bad as you might think. They work just as well as the original factory pistons and are as durable. I have seen zero data to suggest the contrary. AKs I don't care about, and am still waiting to see signs of extra wear and tear due to non KNS equipped rifles with high round count suppressor shooting  |
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