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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - TWS Handguard System... (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 1/26/2012 11:28:51 AM EDT
I know this piece is a bit pricey and won't be for everyone but I really like it... And if it's made as well as their top cover it'll be worth the cost.
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Looks like that would be a heavy mofo with the addition of picatinny side rails to fill up those mounting holes that are so conveniently provided. Not a bad looking handguard though. -urban Can't say, but its advertised as being pretty light... In any account it can't be any heavier than a stock M16A2. |
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Wait, is the whole gas piston exposed? No... 'It replaces the OEM gas tube with a precision made tube that is encased in the handguard chassis.' Where are you getting that information? I dont see anything on their website. http://www.warriortalknews.com/ |
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Wait, is the whole gas piston exposed? No... 'It replaces the OEM gas tube with a precision made tube that is encased in the handguard chassis.' It looks like it isn't in that picture though. Hopefully Nelson will be in here soon to clarify, but I hope that's just missing a piece because of how new it is or something. But, other than that, damn. Looks like a nice rail and the price really isn't that bad compared to the ultimak, which is the only other top rail that gets that low and goes out that far. Plus, this should weigh less than a small car, unlike the ultimak lower. Looks like the gas tube rail and the top cover are the same height, so that should open up some nice options for irons. |
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Man, do want... badly.
ETA: the price is NOT bad at all when you consider how much an Ultimak lower and upper rail cost together. And the Ultimak lower rail is so heavy and bulky that it throws off the whole balance of the rifle. ETA2: if they come out with one for the M92 and AKSU I'll shit myself. |
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Looks like I got scooped on my own press release. My fault, I told that dealer I would post something likely today or possibly tomorrow and he became the early bird that caught the worm :) I will start a new thread tomorrow and post some detailed pics. The details for those asking: -Most importantly we do replace the original gas tube with a new finely machined stainless steel tube. It is short, just long enough to cover the piston head during cycling. It does not connect to the rear sight block. It does not connect to the gas block. There is a cool little saddle like device and retention mechanism to hold the tube. When opened for cleaning the tube drops right out. -There are full length upper and lower rails. The upper handguard rail is co-planar with the Dog Leg top cover. The upper half of the handguard is shaped just like the Dog Leg top cover. -Net weight addition to the rifle is right about 3 ounces after removing the original handguard and gas tube. -Two 3 inch side rails will come with the guard. Optional peices in 6 inches and 9 inches will be available. -There is an innovative barrel clamping method which allows us to adapt to most any type AK. Yes, that means standard AKM, Yugos, RPKs, VEPRs, etc... Saiga 308 is a problem due to it's tapered barrel but, I am working on a solution. Still scratching my head though. -It is more expensive than most. However, it's just a little less than a complete ultimak set-up and about a hundred bucks more than MI. We're endeavoring to take the AK to a whole new level and quality costs. Cheers |
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Man, do want... badly. ETA: the price is NOT bad at all when you consider how much an Ultimak lower and upper rail cost together. And the Ultimak lower rail is so heavy and bulky that it throws off the whole balance of the rifle. ETA2: if they come out with one for the M92 and AKSU I'll shit myself. It will take a little while but, yes, get the TP ready. |
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Hi All, Looks like I got scooped on my own press release. My fault, I told that dealer I would post something likely today or possibly tomorrow and he became the early bird that caught the worm :) I will start a new thread tomorrow and post some detailed pics. The details for those asking: -Most importantly we do replace the original gas tube with a new finely machined stainless steel tube. It is short, just long enough to cover the piston head during cycling. It does not connect to the rear sight block. It does not connect to the gas block. There is a cool little saddle like device and retention mechanism to hold the tube. When opened for cleaning the tube drops right out. -There are full length upper and lower rails. The upper handguard rail is co-planar with the Dog Leg top cover. The upper half of the handguard is shaped just like the Dog Leg top cover. -Net weight addition to the rifle is right about 3 ounces after removing the original handguard and gas tube. -Two 3 inch side rails will come with the guard. Optional peices in 6 inches and 9 inches will be available. -There is an innovative barrel clamping method which allows us to adapt to most any type AK. Yes, that means standard AKM, Yugos, RPKs, VEPRs, etc... Saiga 308 is a problem due to it's tapered barrel but, I am working on a solution. Still scratching my head though. -It is more expensive than most. However, it's just a little less than a complete ultimak set-up and about a hundred bucks more than MI. We're endeavoring to take the AK to a whole new level and quality costs. Cheers Could you go into a bit more detail about the open for cleaning part? |
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Man, do want... badly. ETA: the price is NOT bad at all when you consider how much an Ultimak lower and upper rail cost together. And the Ultimak lower rail is so heavy and bulky that it throws off the whole balance of the rifle. ETA2: if they come out with one for the M92 and AKSU I'll shit myself. It will take a little while but, yes, get the TP ready. FUCK... YES!!!!! |
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Not bad looking at all. Railed AK handguards aren't really my thing, but these ones look a lot better than the usual designs because they have a clean look without the side rails attached. I'm sure they'll be a good seller.
Might be cool to make a low profile front sight that sits on the front rail. Would allow guys to get rid of the normal front sight and save some weight. Might look pretty cool too. |
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-Most importantly we do replace the original gas tube with a new finely machined stainless steel tube. It is short, just long enough to cover the piston head during cycling. It does not connect to the rear sight block. It does not connect to the gas block. There is a cool little saddle like device and retention mechanism to hold the tube. When opened for cleaning the tube drops right out. Cheers Are you at all concerned with the rear sight block and gas block being as open as they are? I'm curious why the tube isn't full length, but I might be overestimating how sensitive that area is to debris. The rail looks fantastic though, can't wait to get something nice tricked out with one of these and your dust cover. |
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This is not for the bump firing welfare hillbillies that live in school buses and bitch about how expensive their new WASR was.
This will certainly help bring the AK into 21st century, which is a good thing. A quality built AK with good ammo and the TWS rail and handguards will make all of these piston driven rifles with the newest caliber of the week quite irrelevant. |
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It looks like it should, but I'll ask anyway. Will it fit on a Draco? (not the mini) I am wondering the same thing. I am looking for something to set my Draco SBR apart from Gardner's (I had the TWS rail before him, but now he got one too  ).
I don't think it will fit right out of the box, but I am wondering if the gas tube could be removed, cut down, and reinstalled to fit a draco gas system. If so I am 100% sure I will be buying one. I had been looking at the Ultimak, and the new MI extended rail, but I want a full length top rail and I don't want my SBR to weigh a ton more than a regular rifle. |
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It looks like it should, but I'll ask anyway. Will it fit on a Draco? (not the mini) I am wondering the same thing. I am looking for something to set my Draco SBR apart from Gardner's (I had the TWS rail before him, but now he got one too ).
I don't think it will fit right out of the box, but I am wondering if the gas tube could be removed, cut down, and reinstalled to fit a draco gas system. If so I am 100% sure I will be buying one. I had been looking at the Ultimak, and the new MI extended rail, but I want a full length top rail and I don't want my SBR to weigh a ton more than a regular rifle. Seriously? 
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| I know the AK's are overgassed, but is it a good idea to have all those vents around an exposed piston when cycling? I know it's the initial impact of the gas hitting the piston, and there are bleed holes in the various ak variants, but that looks way exposed. I'm curious about reliability, not to mention it's completely open for excess debris and moisture to get in. I'm intrigued, but it's definitely a departure from a traditional gas tube/handguard set up. |
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I know the AK's are overgassed, but is it a good idea to have all those vents around an exposed piston when cycling? I know it's the initial impact of the gas hitting the piston, and there are bleed holes in the various ak variants, but that looks way exposed. I'm curious about reliability, not to mention it's completely open for excess debris and moisture to get in. I'm intrigued, but it's definitely a departure from a traditional gas tube/handguard set up. it seems like the gas tube is only there to keep the piston lined up with the gas block, and it would cycle with out a gas tube, but the piston probably wouldnt hit back in the gas block...maybe im talking outta my ass idk.. |
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I know the AK's are overgassed, but is it a good idea to have all those vents around an exposed piston when cycling? I know it's the initial impact of the gas hitting the piston, and there are bleed holes in the various ak variants, but that looks way exposed. I'm curious about reliability, not to mention it's completely open for excess debris and moisture to get in. I'm intrigued, but it's definitely a departure from a traditional gas tube/handguard set up. it seems like the gas tube is only there to keep the piston lined up with the gas block, and it would cycle with out a gas tube, but the piston probably wouldnt hit back in the gas block...maybe im talking outta my ass idk.. No, you're right. I guess it should be called a "piston guide tube". |
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It looks like it should, but I'll ask anyway. Will it fit on a Draco? (not the mini) I am wondering the same thing. I am looking for something to set my Draco SBR apart from Gardner's (I had the TWS rail before him, but now he got one too ).
I don't think it will fit right out of the box, but I am wondering if the gas tube could be removed, cut down, and reinstalled to fit a draco gas system. If so I am 100% sure I will be buying one. I had been looking at the Ultimak, and the new MI extended rail, but I want a full length top rail and I don't want my SBR to weigh a ton more than a regular rifle. I'm gonna get a Draco SBR and set it up exactly like yours. 
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It looks like it should, but I'll ask anyway. Will it fit on a Draco? (not the mini) I am wondering the same thing. I am looking for something to set my Draco SBR apart from Gardner's (I had the TWS rail before him, but now he got one too ).
I don't think it will fit right out of the box, but I am wondering if the gas tube could be removed, cut down, and reinstalled to fit a draco gas system. If so I am 100% sure I will be buying one. I had been looking at the Ultimak, and the new MI extended rail, but I want a full length top rail and I don't want my SBR to weigh a ton more than a regular rifle. Gardner had pictures posted of his SBR Draco a full year before you had even figured out if you could drill/tap the trunion and install a pistol buffer tube. |
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This is not for the bump firing welfare hillbillies that live in school buses and bitch about how expensive their new WASR was. LOL! Thats funny! What the story with co-witnessing height on these with Aimpoints? The top rail is reportedly in the same plane as the dog leg rail. It's my understanding that the Aimpoint micros will co-witness in the lower third, but I am not speaking from personal experience. I have a dog leg, but there's no optic on it. |
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It looks like it should, but I'll ask anyway. Will it fit on a Draco? (not the mini) I am wondering the same thing. I am looking for something to set my Draco SBR apart from Gardner's (I had the TWS rail before him, but now he got one too ).
I don't think it will fit right out of the box, but I am wondering if the gas tube could be removed, cut down, and reinstalled to fit a draco gas system. If so I am 100% sure I will be buying one. I had been looking at the Ultimak, and the new MI extended rail, but I want a full length top rail and I don't want my SBR to weigh a ton more than a regular rifle. Gardner had pictures posted of his SBR Draco a full year before you had even figured out if you could drill/tap the trunion and install a pistol buffer tube. Wow you guys can't take a little sarcasm can you? Haha. I was joking because everyone in Gardner's thread say's they are going to build one just like his. I actually was going for the same basic look, but wanted something different for the handguards because I heard the Ultimak are HEAVY. This looks like a good alternate option. |
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Wondering how many people here are currently using the TWS receiver cover rail system? What do you have for sights mounted on it? I am using a Chaos HK rear sight right now. I am working on lowering the last three rails to lower the rear sight a bit so I don't have to have the front sight so high though. I wish I would have seen the new rear sight that TWS has out that is similar to the stock rear sight. Rear Sight |
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