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Posted: 2/15/2008 10:40:31 AM EDT
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I would bet my money that the G2 trigger group everyone is putting into their builds is inferior. MIM? I don't think so. From what I've read, the new Arsenal MIM trigger groups can and have broken for some people. I don't know how common this is, but you won't find this with a full-auto trigger group. Another questionable (but more trustworthy) metal used for a trigger group is low carbon steel case hardened. My Arsenal SAM-7 had this. Good or bad? What do you think? They work. Mil-spec AK tg's are high carbon steel oil hardened, and brought back to spring hardness (if I'm not mistaken). They are very tough, meant for full auto. |
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You might have a point but so far I have no problems with my SH G2 FCG. No trigger slap, crisp break and no notable over-travel. For what I paid (20.00 with a kit) I'd say it was a good value. The other thing that I think brings most to use them is the parts count. If you modify/use the original FCG what are you going to do to get those three US parts? -just my 2 cents... |
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Of course the parts count is a huge factor in people buying US parts, but I wonder if anyone's ever been busted because they only have X amount of US parts on their rifle. And who's to say what a US trigger group is? Are there specialists who fly to the scene and do a comprehensive analysis? What I'm suggesting is that I could easily take a full-auto trigger group, make it semi-auto, and stamp U and S on it. No one would be the wiser. If you ask me, the US parts-count law was passed so that another potential form of self-employment is deminished to some degree. That is to say, you make LESS money when you can't simply use as many foreigh parts as you want, since you need to replace your 100% working parts with US parts that do the same thing. Needless to say, any other explanation as to WHY this law was put into effect isn't even worthy of exercise. |
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Whatever the motivation for 922R was doesn't really matter. I'm not going to mess around by breaking the law, no mater how stupid or or how unlikely I am to get caught. I consider the US parts the price I have to pay in order to continue doing the things I like. If you want a better trigger group get the RSA adjustable. But I'm sure the G-2 is just fine. I figure that one day we are going to look back at the present and remember how good it used to be. At least we still have a way to have cool toys like AKMs. It could be much worse, and probably will be soon. |
From what I have read they (BATF?) do in fact have specialist that can identify parts by the tooling marks, if they are castings etc. If you have modified a disconnector is it then US made? Sounds like gray areas and a situation I wouldn't want to defend myself legally in. Who's going to bust you in the first place? I suppose that depends on a lot of things and is probably not all that likely but I tend to be a "what if" kind of guy and I know my guns are legal to current laws. I have heard of the Sheriff showing up at the local range because some one was bump firing their AR. Nothing came of it but I wouldn't want to be holding an illegal AK and being asked by an LEO if it was full auto because I was bump firing it. He may not know parts count on your AK but what if he did? We all have a choice and can do as we feel comfortable but I'm not interested in an extended Club Fed vacation. 
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I have said it before, but this thread bears saying it again: I had both an ATF and and FBI agent repply to me "Huh, parts count? Huh?" Mind you, I was in my deputy uniform and the conversation/discussion was patrol rifles. They both said things like that are added onto a larger more important charge. They have far more important things to do than to worry about counting US made parts on a firearm. I liken it to myself pulling someone over for a parking light out on their vehicle (not going to do it). But, if I pull them over for speeding then I'd probably give them a verbal warning or "equipment ticket" (= fix it or get fined). No, I dont condone building a rifle and not following the BATF's interpetation of a law (the infamous 922r), but when it is all said and done, you're not going to get pulled over for driving 1 MPH over the speed limit, either. Dont step out of line elswhere and the odds of a BATF agent asking you about your US parts count is nill. BTW... all of my rifles are 922r compliant. 
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Legal is legal, and there's no arguing or "interpreting" that. However, in most cases if someone is looking at a rifle to determine if the parts are legal, you're already in a LOT more trouble for something else, and they're looking to "add on" charges. Best option is to always comply with the law. |
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I don't see any threads about broken US-made FCG's. It might happen, but with as many Arsenal guns and who knows how many G2's out there, this would come up often if it were an issue. I'd run the stock parts if 922(r) didn't exist, but it does and US-made replacements can be had cheap. |
| I broke the hook on my US made trigger Sunday. The trigger is some US made adjustable type that was installed into a Galil build from a parts kit. The front of the trigger has a small screw for adjustments and it appears to have unadjusted its self. Once the screw came out the metal around the hole fractured and this allowed the hook on the hammer to travel into the action snap off. I have the G2 trigger on my Yugo Ak and love it. I will put a G2 trigger in my Galil and see no reason not to expect the same happy results as with my Yugo. |
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You don't need a US FCG group to meet 922(r). Piston, Muzzel break, receiver and a US made Mag, or varry other things such as a US pistol grip and US follower and floor plate on the original mag. There are options without using another FCG if that's what you want to do, you can also buy a 1.6 US receiver and mill the front trunion to fit, it becomes a us Part per the BATF because of the work required to make it fit the receiver. I built a Tantal with US break, NDS receiver, US piston, US pistol grip, US mag follower and US floor plate. That allowed me to use the original trigger without having to cut a slot in it for the safety. I still could have used the US hammer and disconnector because I took those out but I put a Romy Hammer and disconnector. |
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