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Posted: 6/7/2006 2:00:15 PM EDT
| OK, it's a noob question but can a under folder AK be converted to a side folder? I have a good price on a under folder from Arsenal but I would like a side folding stock from Tapco and don’t know if it can be installed on a receiver that shipped from the factory as a under folder. |
This is something else he posted in the General Discussion forum. OK, it's a noob question but can a under folder AK be converted to a side folder? I have a good price on a under folder from Arsenal but I would like a side folding stock from Tapco and don’t know if it can be installed on a receiver that shipped from the factory as a under folder. Here is the link:Arsenal Under Folder To Crapco Side Folder WTF...Why spend the Money on an Arsenal under folder and the want to screw it up with a tapco side folder sounds like someone from the W.E.C.S.O.G. to me. If you want something cheap get a WASR and put a side folder on it...  Sign_Wolfman |
Don't insult W.E.C.S.O.G. like that. We'd never try something like this.
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Come on guys. Give me a break I'm an AR guy. WTF! This would be my first AK. How was I to know you couldn't do it. That's why I was asking. I was thinking about building one. But I figured it the stock swap was possible why not. So then who has the best kits for building your own? |
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A solid stock on an AK is held to the rear trunion by two screws. If you have your heart set on an AK with a Tapco side floding stock, then find a solid stock AK for the best price, with the removal of two screws and you can swap back and and forth between the orgional and the Tapco stock. As a AR guy you may find an Ace floding stock of a higher quality (and price ), but I do not think that they are as easy of a conversion as the Tapco. |
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I don't know if I have my heart set on a sidefolder. I have a couple ACE stocks on AR's and I like them. So you say there is a sidefolding ACE stock for the AK. That would be cool I'll have to look into that. But is an underfolder a good stock to use? I have heard they are uncomfortable and come loose, is that true? And to deploy you have to let go of the pistol grip correct? |
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Keep the underfolder. It's the coolest of folding Ak's (my opinion). I don't find them uncomfortable at all... if you are going to put an AR stock on an AK, why get an AK at all? Get an AR if that's what you want and be done with it! Just look at the price difference between underfolders and side folders (not including Ak74s) and you'll see they are generally regarded as more valuable.  Now, if you get a fixed stock Ak you several options for side folding stocks, but I'd go with something like this over that Tapco or Ace stuff (again just my opinion.. I like AK's to look like AKs)  |
Well, I’m good with machining and fabrication, so I’m not worried about screwing up the gun. I want a very reliable gun that is not NFA but can be stored inside a vehicle and be quickly deployed. A folding AK would be short but could be unfolded when exiting a vehicle. AR’s that would fit this application are SBR’s and subject to NFA rules. I want to be able to leave the gun in the vehicle, and that is not something you should really do with a NFA item. I am not familiar with the components of an AK. That is why I did not know what a block or tang was. I saw what “BLOCK” he was referring to on ACE’s website. And I can only guess the “TANG” is the same as on a sword. |
OK, I can understand why people would see the underfolder as more valuable. But I am looking for a short, rapidly deployable, vehicle gun. So, I want the most reliable and functional gun. I question if an underfolder is as functional as a sidefolder. Think of the scenario of having to jump out of your vehicle, under fire, and return fire as quick as possible. Would an underfolder be as fast to deploy as a sidefolder? I would guess that it would not be (but I have very little practice with AK’s so I don’t know). In the end I don’t care what it looks like. I can appreciate the AK aficionado and the original aesthetic. I just need a gun that works 100%. I would like something as practical as this gun but with a little more power.  |
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I am not trying to be a Dick but if I was in a car being shoot at my concern would be to return fire with or with out the stock.. why not get a front pistol grip leave the stock folded till you can take cover.. That is if your lucky enough to get out of the car with out injury first.. But what this has to do with buliding your own AK is beyond me? The simplest thing to do is buy a SAR 1 and a Romy Side folder and Romy front sight/Brake, cut the barrel so the muzzle brake is at least 16" and not destroy the Arsenal UF even if your getting a good deal... |
Yes, a sidefolder can deploy just as quick as an underfolder. It's just a matter of practicing with it. Indeed, the underfolder stock would be suited for vehicles. I say this because the underfolder stock is basically copied from the German MP40 SMG and the MP40 was specifically designed for use by armored vehicle crews and mechanized infantry, who would normally operate in concert with vehicles. The only thing about the underfolder is that it is hard (if not impossible) to fold the stock with magazines larger than 30 rounders in place. Personally, I'd use Hungarian 20 rounders in any case because they are more compact (less chance of snagging) and definitely preferable if firing from the prone position is a consideration. The 20 rounders are roughly the same size as a AR 30 rounder and will fit perfectly fine in AR mag pouches (I've done it, it works). I have heard that underfolders can be a little loose in some cases, and they are not quite as accurate as a fixed-stock (stock weld is a problem), but the same issues can apply to sidefolders as well, nor are they generally the most comfortable stocks to use. For your purposes, though, either stock is appropriate. |
Thanks BOB, Looks like you have a good understanding of where I'm coming from. Thank you for the great info. It sounds like a perfect idea to use the 20rd mags. Thanks. 
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