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11/16/2006 11:50:48 AM EDT
the more i am on here looking at the aks and reading and learning more about then the less and less my ar turns me on. this happen to any of u guys?
stuck
11/16/2006 12:08:48 PM EDT
[#1]
welcome..........we have been waiting for you  MMUUUUHHHHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH
11/16/2006 12:13:16 PM EDT
[#2]
Nope, I'm gleefully schizo and love them both (although I won't even pretend that I love them equally... ).
11/16/2006 12:23:23 PM EDT
[#3]
Get one of each. Buy more of which ever one you like better.  I like my AK but I like my AR's better.  I like apples more than oranges.
11/16/2006 1:19:34 PM EDT
[#4]
You can't call yourself an American gun enthusiast without owning:

1. AK-47
2. AR-15
3. M1 Garand
4. 10/22

Those are the requirements from moving from "apprentice" to "journeyman".



Seriously though, do get - or at least try - both and then make up your mind after actually shooting both.
ETA: I prefer AKs. But I like FALs the best.


11/16/2006 1:24:54 PM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
You can't call yourself an American gun enthusiast without owning:

1. AK-47
2. AR-15
3. M1 Garand
4. 10/22

Those are the requirements from moving from "apprentice" to "journeyman".



...



So, with nearly 200 firearms after a sincere multi-year effort to consolidate I don't qualify as an "enthusiast" and am still an "apprentice" just because I've never owned a Garand?  Cool!  Everyone needs goals and ambitions...
11/16/2006 1:40:28 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
You can't call yourself an American gun enthusiast without owning:

1. AK-47
2. AR-15
3. M1 Garand
4. 10/22

Those are the requirements from moving from "apprentice" to "journeyman".



Seriously though, do get - or at least try - both and then make up your mind after actually shooting both.


You should make that just .22 rimfire. I'd never own a Ruger. Couldn't pay me enough to own one. Should have a lever action up there as well.
11/16/2006 1:44:24 PM EDT
[#7]
I enjoy shooting my AKs more than my ARs. The ARs are more accurate, but I think my AKs are just much more fun to shoot for some reason.
11/16/2006 1:50:48 PM EDT
[#8]
Good question, which has no answer. As for me, I love both my AK (Hungarian SA85M) and CAR-15 (a mutt, home-built, mainly Bushmaster). In the case of actually needing one of them, I have come to realize I would reach for the AR. Smaller, lighter, plenty potent with M855, no wood to get wet, etc. Still, you can't deny the AK platform is the longest in-service and most prolific military rifle/carbine ever. Don't get into 'stopping power' debates between the two. After all, didn't the Soviets adopt the 5.45x39, their version of the .223? The most important things are reliability, accuracy and your familiarity with the weapon. What's that old saying about respecting the man with only one gun, because he's probably damn good with it? Make a choice that's best for you and spend lots of time playing with it at the range. Get good with it and it will be your rifle.
11/16/2006 1:53:02 PM EDT
[#9]
yea i have 2 aks and a ar but something about the ak the way they look sound and never stop shooting. cant wait to get back to AR and shoot them. to me the ak just has a lot more history behind them. they have been every were.
stuck
11/16/2006 1:54:35 PM EDT
[#10]
I too was first bitten by the AR bug, then the AK bug.  I have 3 of each and like them all equally for their respective qualities.  Now a new affliction is on the horizon (whatever you do, don't get near the Mosin Nagants)...
11/16/2006 2:32:34 PM EDT
[#11]
I have two of each, but I still like my AR's just a LIIIIITLE bit more, probably because of the accuracy.

Then again, the AK's do have more ... SOUL ... for lack of a better word.

Hell, I don't know. I love 'em all.
11/16/2006 3:26:14 PM EDT
[#12]
Do Both.  Love Both.

Though you will spend a lot more time cleaning your AR than you will with your AK.  
11/16/2006 3:38:59 PM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:
You can't call yourself an American gun enthusiast without owning:

1. AK-47 - I have four of these
2. AR-15 - I have two of these
3. M1 Garand - I have one of these
4. 10/22 - I have none of these

Those are the requirements from moving from "apprentice" to "journeyman".



Can I get any points for having a JLD PTR-91KP (HK G3 clone) instead of the 10/22?
11/16/2006 4:48:58 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:

Quoted:
You can't call yourself an American gun enthusiast without owning:

1. AK-47 - I have four of these
2. AR-15 - I have two of these
3. M1 Garand - I have one of these
4. 10/22 - I have none of these

Those are the requirements from moving from "apprentice" to "journeyman".



Can I get any points for having a JLD PTR-91KP (HK G3 clone) instead of the 10/22?


1. AK-47 - I have three of these
2. AR-15 - I have four of these
3. M1 Garand - I have one of these
4. 10/22 - I have two of these
Yes I have all four...and a HK-91

11/16/2006 4:51:37 PM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:
Should have a lever action up there as well.


+1. You have to have at least John Wayne gun!
11/16/2006 6:36:38 PM EDT
[#16]
Nothing is more American than the 1911. Well maybe not my Canadian made 1911, but you know what I mean

I wouldn't say there is a hard list of "must owns", but there is a larger list that one should have to own 3 or 4 of the 15 or 20 on "the list".
11/16/2006 6:46:48 PM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:
You can't call yourself an American gun enthusiast without owning:

1. AK-47
2. AR-15
3. M1 Garand
4. 10/22

Those are the requirements from moving from "apprentice" to "journeyman".



More than one each of the above PLUS an FAL - The Right Arm of the Free World
11/16/2006 8:50:34 PM EDT
[#18]
height=8
Quoted:
You can't call yourself an American gun enthusiast without owning:

1. AK-47
2. AR-15
3. M1 Garand
4. 10/22



Don't forget the crossovers:
- The gas piston upper for the AR
- You also have to try to make your 10/22 look like an AR... and a Krinkov
- Then you have to get a rimfire upper for your AR

The Garand you need to leave alone.  I pity the poor soul who posts pictures on the internet of a bubba'd Garand.
11/16/2006 11:01:57 PM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:

Quoted:
You can't call yourself an American gun enthusiast without owning:

1. AK-47
2. AR-15
3. M1 Garand
4. 10/22

Those are the requirements from moving from "apprentice" to "journeyman".



More than one each of the above PLUS an FAL - The Right Arm of the Free World


Yeah, the FAL is a necessity. If it were me I'd cross 10/22 off that list and add some sort of M-14 clone. Just my $.02.....
11/16/2006 11:19:50 PM EDT
[#20]
Well, I’ve got AKs and arfs and like them both.

I tend more towards the arfs though. To me the AK just seems like an "average tool," nothing more.

I am however pretty geeked up about my little Krink build. Probably because it’s something new, and a bit of a novelty.
11/17/2006 12:49:01 AM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Should have a lever action up there as well.


+1. You have to have at least John Wayne gun!


Got it covered: Winchester 94 .30-30

And the 1911 too: Stainless Kimber Pro Carry II
11/17/2006 5:34:59 AM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:

Quoted:
You can't call yourself an American gun enthusiast without owning:

1. AK-47
2. AR-15
3. M1 Garand
4. 10/22

Those are the requirements from moving from "apprentice" to "journeyman".



More than one each of the above PLUS an FAL - The Right Arm of the Free World



1. I'm glad everyone got a kick out of that. And no, you need a 10/22, not some other .22, period. It's got to be the most prolific gun in America. It's "the right arm of the American trailer park".

2. No, the FAL is required to become a master. Because once you get the FAL, you realize that there really is one end all to all rifles, and that the FAL encompasses the best of the best of the best of all rifles. Once one aquires the FALage, one realizes that there is no need for any other rifle.
11/17/2006 5:45:17 AM EDT
[#23]
I like my Kalashnikovs better than the AR15. Now AR10? That may be a different story...
11/17/2006 5:49:51 AM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:
I too was first bitten by the AR bug, then the AK bug.  I have 3 of each and like them all equally for their respective qualities.  Now a new affliction is on the horizon (whatever you do, don't get near the Mosin Nagants)...


Why outside of the snipers you can have the 44 the 38 and the 91-30 for about $300 hell get into nagants
11/17/2006 10:38:10 AM EDT
[#25]

Quoted:
You can't call yourself an American gun enthusiast without owning:

1. AK-47
2. AR-15
3. M1 Garand
4. 10/22

Those are the requirements from moving from "apprentice" to "journeyman".




Oh crap! Again, I'm inadequate .

No M1, though I do have AK's and AR's. I sold my 10/22 some years back. I suppose my replacement is my S&W .22 pistol. Can I substitute my Ruger P89 and S&W 645? Do multiple AK's and AR's in various calibers make up the difference? If not... I'll just have to reference myself as a "Gun Nut" instead of an enthusiast.

Oh well... I'll just hafta go off n buy sumore guns.

buckmeister
11/17/2006 8:24:44 PM EDT
[#26]
hrm what about a colt SAA in .45 long colt?   oh yeah a 12GA, or a 1911, or how about a pre 64 winchester model 70 bolt action or a remington model 700... actually i could go on... just buy everything you run across
11/18/2006 5:20:38 AM EDT
[#27]

Quoted:

Quoted:
You can't call yourself an American gun enthusiast without owning:

1. AK-47
2. AR-15
3. M1 Garand
4. 10/22

Those are the requirements from moving from "apprentice" to "journeyman".



Seriously though, do get - or at least try - both and then make up your mind after actually shooting both.


You should make that just .22 rimfire. I'd never own a Ruger. Couldn't pay me enough to own one. Should have a lever action up there as well.


How can ANYONE hate a 10/22? Seriously? How could you have a problem with Ruger. The guy was an American great. Think what you like, their modern castings are a million notches above the old Colt SA manufacturing process. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Ruger except the Mini 14 being an inaccurate plinker.
11/18/2006 6:45:47 AM EDT
[#28]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
You can't call yourself an American gun enthusiast without owning:

1. AK-47
2. AR-15
3. M1 Garand
4. 10/22

Those are the requirements from moving from "apprentice" to "journeyman".



Seriously though, do get - or at least try - both and then make up your mind after actually shooting both.


You should make that just .22 rimfire. I'd never own a Ruger. Couldn't pay me enough to own one. Should have a lever action up there as well.


How can ANYONE hate a 10/22? Seriously? How could you have a problem with Ruger. The guy was an American great. Think what you like, their modern castings are a million notches above the old Colt SA manufacturing process. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Ruger except the Mini 14 being an inaccurate plinker.

Why Bill Ruger is a POS and can rot in hell, and why I'll never own anything with his name on it.


Bill Ruger Sr:
"No honest man needs more than 10 rounds in any gun."
"I never meant for simple civilians to have my 20 or 30 round magazines or my folding stock."
"I see nothing wrong with waiting periods."
11/18/2006 10:55:29 PM EDT
[#29]
Boy, that guy sure knew how to help things along, didn’t he.
11/19/2006 1:44:14 PM EDT
[#30]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Should have a lever action up there as well.


+1. You have to have at least John Wayne gun!


+2 if in 45/70
11/19/2006 10:22:57 PM EDT
[#31]
I can totally agree with you.

I had my AR for about 6 months before i started thinking about a VEPR K, and now i don't even get excited about my AR. And it's a Colt LE6920!

I have thought about getting rid of my AR but have heard nothing but horror stories of regrets people have when they get rid of a good rifle... so i think i am gonna hang on to it.
11/20/2006 2:22:19 PM EDT
[#32]
yea i hate selling guns. i have sold some pretty cool guns and now miss them. i try to never sell guns. always miss them.
stuck
11/20/2006 3:23:23 PM EDT
[#33]

Quoted:
have heard nothing but horror stories of regrets people have when they get rid of a good rifle


Don't do it! You will be sorrrry.
11/20/2006 3:58:01 PM EDT
[#34]
I like both.  The AR has features the the AK does not have.  And the parts of the AK that make it better, todays designers are closing the gap.  The round can be fired by an AR.  There are even better rounds that can be used.  

In the end, the AR is still the superior.  The AK only has the advantage left: that it is in every nation on earth.
11/20/2006 4:23:13 PM EDT
[#35]
Superior? I don't think so. Different? Yes.
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