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Posted: 2/11/2010 3:35:01 PM EDT
| can a different scope be thrown on to this rifle using a more sturdy mount? i.e. one of the other ak scope mounts with the rigids to keep it solid? |
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Numerous scopes or mounts using the SVD/PSL style clamp will work on the M76. I have mounted both of my PSO scopes on my M76 without a problem. Eventually (soon), I will mount the Russian PKS-07 scope seen here on one of my M70B1s on my M76. It's a high quality 7x scope that is a big improvement over the ON-M76B normally used on M76s.  |
I have installed PSL mounts on my Yugos and use my Kalinka PSOP 3-9x42 on all of them. Before spot welding the mount on I tack it in place with some glue and bore sight it with the Kalinka, that way it is pretty much on and I only have to make minor adjustments between rifles (the PSOP actually is capable of that as long as you mark and record what each setting is for). Of course they don't share very well when I am not the only one shooting (and everyone wants optics nowadays). So I will probably get more scopes (probably one of those cheap 4x and another nicer Kalinka with a picatinny mount instead of a siderail). 
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I'm resurrecting this thread from the dead because I have had this project on the back burner for a while now and finally got around to doing it. I have read on this forum and others of people looking for a quality Picatinny mount for the M76 that was low and centered over the bore. Sadly, no such animal exists so I decided to make my own. I used the standard M92 mount that nearly everyone is currently using with their ON-M76B scopes. It has 1" rings but sits so low that any scope with an objective bigger than 32mm will not clear the rear sight (I found this out the hard way). I removed the front and rear rings from the M92 mount and drilled and tapped the mount for this rail here. I chose this rail because it is beefy, has good length, and is a quality/precision made piece. This rail fits the M92 mount very well and the install was drama free. I measured 5 times before drilling to make sure the rail was straight on the mount, the existing holes for the M92 rings are a good reference point for finding the center of the mount. This whole thing went quick and easy. I selected Warne Maxima 1" rings (see them here) in 0.25 height for this application. The mount is already quick-detach, so going with QD rings seemed redundant and unnecessary. I love Warne rings because they are damn near bulletproof and very well made, I use them on numerous rifles. The scope is a Bushnell Elite 3200 10x40 Mil-Dot. This scope gets rave reviews all over the internet and Barrett even includes it as standard equipment on some of their .50 cal. rifles. It's tough, has nice glass, target turrets, and can be had for less than $200 here. To say it is a huge improvement over the ON-M76B scope is an understatement. I frequently shoot out to 600 yards and this scope gets it done far, far better than the 4x Zrak scope ever could. Pics:     Be careful when selecting ring height. Even after adding the K-Var Picatinny rail and Warne rings to the M92 mount, there is only 1/8" of clearance between the 40mm objective of the scope and the rear sight. The scope sits low and centered over the bore, cheekweld is very good. The whole set-up is rock solid, pretty much bombproof. This set-up looks and works better than I had hoped, it was an easy DIY project and it exceeded my already high expectations. Hopefully this little write-up will benefit someone. |
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I frequently shoot out to 600 yards and this scope gets it done far, far better than the 4x Zrak scope ever could.
How does this rifle do at 600yds?. I am having another M76 built since I was so disappointed with my Century-built. Me and a buddy may take our M1As and other long-shots like the M76 out to the Tullahoma, TN range pretty soon. I've never shot that far so I'll probably do poorly but I wonder how the rifle does. Your mod looks VERY interesting. I'll be sticking with the ON76 for now though I may like to consider what you have done to yours. |
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Quoted: How does this rifle do at 600yds?. Probably better than I am currently doing. Let's just say there is plenty of room for improvement in my 600 yard groups and I'm working on it. At this point, I am probably the weakest link and not the rifle. I'm getting better though. There is no doubt in my mind I am going to have to do some kind of trigger work to this rifle if I decide to get really serious about long range shooting. The G2 is adequate for most shooting but pretty intolerable at longer distances. I have Williams set triggers in two of my rifles (1.5 lb. break, no perceptible travel) and all I can think about while at the 600 yard range is how much the G2 in this rifle sucks for precision work. The first time I did it (little over a year ago), I was amazed at how challenging shooting at these distances really is and I have tons of respect for those who are really good at it (by this I mean in real life with a rifle and not on the internet with a keyboard). On my first trip to that range, I looked at that 600 yard berm and all I could manage to say was, "holy shit is that target small." It's a ton of fun and a humbling experience, make the time to do it if at all possible. |
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There is no doubt in my mind I am going to have to do some kind of trigger work to this rifle if I decide to get really serious about long range shooting. The G2 is adequate for most shooting but pretty intolerable at longer distances. I have Williams set triggers in two of my rifles (1.5 lb. break, no perceptible travel) and all I can think about while at the 600 yard range is how much the G2 in this rifle sucks for precision work.
Okay this brings up for me a topic of ignorance and perhaps is a topic thread elsewhere discussed but I'll fire this off to ya. I am not a seasoned long time shooter. Most firearms I have ( M1, M1Carb, M1a, ARs, Argy-Mauser, 03A3 and most pistols and some other knick-knacks) all have a stopping point to where I pull the trigger and then KNOW that when I go further (depending on additional pull weight and travel) the trigger will let go at a predicable point. The M76 and and M70B2 are the only AK style actions I have. Both have a very "smooth" pull but have a long pull and it is an absolute surprise when the firing pin will be struck. Is this what you mean by intolerable? Is this is what is known as a one-stage vs. two-stage trigger? I would like to have the former two-stage(?) style trigger put in both these rifles. Is this doable? Am I describing my query accurately? |
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Quoted: a very "smooth" pull but have a long pull and it is an absolute surprise when the firing pin will be struck. Is this what you mean by intolerable? Is this is what is known as a one-stage vs. two-stage trigger? I would like to have the former two-stage(?) style trigger put in both these rifles. Is this doable? Am I describing my query accurately? You nailed it. The G2 is a single-stage trigger and it is what it is, no surprise there. As AK triggers go, the G2 is pretty decent, but for precision work it leaves a lot to be desired. I have G2s in multiple rifles and like them fine, but I am not shooting at a 12" target at 600 yards with those rifles either. As I'm sure you know, errors in technique and equipment are magnified over distance. What works in my other AKs isn't getting it done in this rifle at the ranges I'm using it. That insanely long pull is driving me nuts. I have a reworked Arsenal two-stage trigger in one of my rifles (builder did the trigger work, not me) that is smooth as glass and very predictable, I really like it. I was going to swap it into my M76, but instead ordered a RSA trigger last night. Looking forward to getting the RSA into the M76 and hitting the range. I have no doubt that it will really help me shrink my groups. The scope upgrade was the first step, this trigger swap is the next. |
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Quoted: Okay this sounds great . Thanks http://www.blackjackbuffers.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=66&products_id=243 . . . . . so as I have my M76 kit over at the builders shop do you think I should just ask him to install an RSA trigger right now? That's the .308 version, here is the one I ordered: http://www.ak-builder.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=29796 The decision is entirely up to you. Since I haven't fired a single round from my M76 with the RSA trigger installed, I'm not going to recommend it to anybody until I have. I like the wide range of adjustment and the option of single or two stage operation. It has to be better than the G2 that is currently in my M76. |
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Ah okay. They don't mention 8mm nor M76. So I guess it's a foregone conclusion that whatever is made for AK in 7.62 is okay as a drop in replacement for the M76? I think you tipped me off to that re the G2 a while back. I read some reviews. I think I'll get one ordered up and ask my builder to drop it in. PS: Are you the fella that emailed me about the PRVI 8mm? |
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Aaaah okay. How did the ammo work out?
Talked to builder. He's done over 170) M76's and says that this is a great trigger to put in and is the most asked for when going two-stage on AKs. He leaves it at factory default and, to his knowledge, most of his clients like it that way to start, although, he says it is very detailed in info yet easy to adjust if you wanna mess with it. So back to home topic |
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Haven't shot any of the Prvi 198 gr. FMJBT yet, working my way through some older stock first. It's next up to bat, probably bring some to the range on my next trip. Just bought a Yugo M24/47 Mauser, so now I have two rifles eating into my 8mm stash. Is Ken Kuban building your rifle? I thought I remember you saying he was the builder over on the AK Forum, but maybe not... I've read of a few people using the RSA trigger in their M76s and all of them love it and report excellent reliability. I'll get my trigger installed this weekend, with any luck I'll be able to go to the range right after the install. |
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It’s a fellow named Tim Foreman and his shop is called Gewehr Werks. He’s actually an H & K armorer but in the last couple years ended up doing 90% AK style builds (due to fear-bama syndrome). He did many of the ORF builds and (I believe) was one one of the contributing factors to the kabash put on the first few runs of their receivers. He saw receivers that had bowed after rapid fire (no pun intended). He feels Todd finally got it together on the last batch of receivers shortly before his life really went down hill.
Came highly recommended by the fella from whom I purchased my kit and took a generous amount of time to talk to me on the phone on a couple occasions. This guy just seems to like what he does. I hope it shows in his work. I thought of a 24/47 as an additional 8mm mouth to feed. I have SOOO much mil-surp 8mm that my current M76 does not like. Most Mausers are still cheap enough. I stumbled into a German made 1909 Argentine Mauser (7.65mm) that is an incredible specimen of early German workmanship. 90% original bluing and I don’t think was ever fired for business as there were no wars in Argentina then. Fresh crisp cartouches all over the wood and metal. Rifling seems razor sharp. $250 out the door from a pawn shop after background check and tax and really kicks your shoulder. I did just pick up a Turkish 8mm mauser for $100 that I just de-cosmo’d tonight. Still a tuff built weapon but no artisan pride and precision to its construction compared to the German Argy. Sloppier than a late model 03A3. I hate looking at that ANKARA crescent on the top of the receiver. I bought it to burn up the several hundred cracking-brass and loose-bullet old 8mm Turk that I mistakenly bought for the M76. When I’m almost done with the ammo I’d like to grind the lugs off the bolt and give it and a bando as a gift to one of the Johnny-Jihad Sharia-loving Somali taxi drivers here in Nashville. Ooops . . . sorry didn’t mean to get political or errr umm ideological. |
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