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Posted: 4/4/2012 5:37:53 PM EDT
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So ive got a polytech aks imported through keng's. It has a spring loaded firing pin, is this an oddity from factory 416? This gun was my dads and was bought new, so i know this is the firing pin that came in it.
Also does anyone make a railed handguard that is compatible with the pig sticker? Or at least know a good way to keep the handguards / bayonete cooler? |
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Already put a vltor buffer tube stock on and putting a hogue grip on shortly. Don't worry i've saved all the original stuff and wont mod it beyond being able to return it to factory. Just making it easier to run in 3 gun competition.
Any fix for the pig sticker getting as hot as it does? |
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It appears to be riveted on.http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p76/IceCold4x4/86d427ee.jpg?t=1328489266
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A little more rare than the 386. What ever you do don't alter that gun. Spring firing pin is normal and no one makes a compatible handgaurd in the aftermarket. As for the heat wear a glove The bayonete was burning my glove, i understand the gas black being hot but the bayonet is getting much hotter quicker. |
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I have a Norinco with a folding spike bayonet. They come off in two seconds. When the bayonet is in the folded position, pull back on the spring loaded release as if you were going to extend the bayonet to the open position. However, instead of rotating the bayonet into the open position push is straight towards the muzzle keeping it parallel to the barrel. The pin is flared to keep it in position, but there is an opening on the bayonet to be removed. The bayonet basically hooks on to the pin and the spring loaded locking piece keeps it from falling off.
This may sound complicated, but it takes two seconds and once you get it off it will all make sense. Eta: pictures because I'm bored... 
And back on... 
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I have a Norinco with a folding spike bayonet. They come off in two seconds. When the bayonet is in the folded position, pull back on the spring loaded release as if you were going to extend the bayonet to the open position. However, instead of rotating the bayonet into the open position push is straight towards the muzzle keeping it parallel to the barrel. The pin is flared to keep it in position, but there is an opening on the bayonet to be removed. The bayonet basically hooks on to the pin and the spring loaded locking piece keeps it from falling off. This may sound complicated, but it takes two seconds and once you get it off it will all make sense. Eta: pictures because I'm bored... http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b29/1BMF/IMAG0493.jpg http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b29/1BMF/IMAG0494.jpg http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b29/1BMF/IMAG0495.jpg http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b29/1BMF/IMAG0496.jpg http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b29/1BMF/IMAG0497.jpg And back on... http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b29/1BMF/IMAG0498.jpg Not all of them come off like that. There are three different versions of the spike bayonet: riveted w/solid loop bayonet (non-removable), riveted w/hook bayonet (removable), screwed w/solid loop bayonet (removable, rarest of them all). I have a few of the first two and only one of the screwed on type, of which I've only ever seen two. |
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Concerning the spring loaded firing pin in that factory 416 gun. . I bet it did not come from plant 416 with a spring loaded firing pin. .only plant 386. Much more likely someone has owned that Norinco that either experienced a slam fire from non mil-spec commercial ammo or perhaps even "roll your owns". . or was scared enough of a slam fire to proactively replace the free floating pin with the spring loaded. . its no biggie. . heck you can to this day get a spring loaded firing pin from Polytech parts just like on a factory 386 gun and put it in a 416. . or even a Murrays spring loaded aftermarket pin or whatever. . but I'm quite sure it didnt leave plant 416 with a spring loaded pin
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I have a Norinco with a folding spike bayonet. They come off in two seconds. When the bayonet is in the folded position, pull back on the spring loaded release as if you were going to extend the bayonet to the open position. However, instead of rotating the bayonet into the open position push is straight towards the muzzle keeping it parallel to the barrel. The pin is flared to keep it in position, but there is an opening on the bayonet to be removed. The bayonet basically hooks on to the pin and the spring loaded locking piece keeps it from falling off. This may sound complicated, but it takes two seconds and once you get it off it will all make sense. Eta: pictures because I'm bored... http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b29/1BMF/IMAG0493.jpg http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b29/1BMF/IMAG0494.jpg http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b29/1BMF/IMAG0495.jpg http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b29/1BMF/IMAG0496.jpg http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b29/1BMF/IMAG0497.jpg And back on... http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b29/1BMF/IMAG0498.jpg Not all of them come off like that. There are three different versions of the spike bayonet: riveted w/solid loop bayonet (non-removable), riveted w/hook bayonet (removable), screwed w/solid loop bayonet (removable, rarest of them all). I have a few of the first two and only one of the screwed on type, of which I've only ever seen two. I did not know that. I knew there was a version that used a screw instead of a rivet, but I did not know there was a difference in bayonets themselves. Did these different models come in on semi auto imports or were they distinctive to select fire models? Just curious. I've got a pictures or a screw type assembly on my computer at home but can't remember if it was a semi auto model or not. And to the OP, just promise to put it all back together after your 3 gun match and we'll call it even 
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| I'm holding onto all the parts, same as i did with the coltsp1 carbine that i use from time to time. Unless the firing pin was replaced at kengs in atl then this is the original, dad bought it new, and was a stickler for keeping things like that in the safe.(he hung on to the original bolt carrier from the sp1, after switching it to a full auto mil spec one shortly after buying it, had it in a ziplock bag saying original bolt) Which is why i questioned the firing pin in this one after reading more on them. |
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Cool. . there may be some 416 guns with spring loaded firing pins. . I wouldnt doubt it one bit. . Robert Farnsworth of Farnsworth Firearms here in TN used to be pretty good friends with D.A. Keng of Kengs Firearms of Atlanta. ,.from back when they would be on the "Fun Show" circuit back in the 80's and he said you would sometimes see Polytech's come in with wood that would generally be on a Norinco labeled gun and vise versa. . I can imagine running out a of part on one line and grabbing some from another line to keep production running. From what he told me only towards the end of the few years they could be imported were there very many concerns about astetically pleasing the American consumer.
One example being the Galil sidefolders replacing the bakelite stamped sidefolders as from what I was told they werent selling well at the time and Keng requested Galil's with wood instead of the stamped folders in bakelite. But to my understanding as far as Kengs relationships went with the 2 plants. . 416 were produced the way they were produced and just bought by Keng. . but the 386 plant guns were ordered with specific input from Kengs for retail here in the states. This is only what Ive heard but Ive heard it from two seperate sources that I dont feel had any reason lie or even speculate on the matter. |
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I have a Norinco with a folding spike bayonet. They come off in two seconds. When the bayonet is in the folded position, pull back on the spring loaded release as if you were going to extend the bayonet to the open position. However, instead of rotating the bayonet into the open position push is straight towards the muzzle keeping it parallel to the barrel. The pin is flared to keep it in position, but there is an opening on the bayonet to be removed. The bayonet basically hooks on to the pin and the spring loaded locking piece keeps it from falling off. This may sound complicated, but it takes two seconds and once you get it off it will all make sense. Eta: pictures because I'm bored... http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b29/1BMF/IMAG0493.jpg http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b29/1BMF/IMAG0494.jpg http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b29/1BMF/IMAG0495.jpg http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b29/1BMF/IMAG0496.jpg http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b29/1BMF/IMAG0497.jpg And back on... http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b29/1BMF/IMAG0498.jpg Not all of them come off like that. There are three different versions of the spike bayonet: riveted w/solid loop bayonet (non-removable), riveted w/hook bayonet (removable), screwed w/solid loop bayonet (removable, rarest of them all). I have a few of the first two and only one of the screwed on type, of which I've only ever seen two. I did not know that. I knew there was a version that used a screw instead of a rivet, but I did not know there was a difference in bayonets themselves. Did these different models come in on semi auto imports or were they distinctive to select fire models? Just curious. I've got a pictures or a screw type assembly on my computer at home but can't remember if it was a semi auto model or not. And to the OP, just promise to put it all back together after your 3 gun match and we'll call it even
The screw type was mainly seen only on early select fire guns, while the non-removable and removable rivet models were used on semi and select. |
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