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Posted: 12/17/2012 9:33:34 AM EDT
| If I were going to add a flash hider to the vepr, NO stock, NO grip etc. Just a FH. Do I have to go through the 922r compliance and forced to change other parts as well? thanks |
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the veprs are sold as imported, hence they are importable under section 925(d) and not subject to 922(r)
if you make any changes that make it unimportable, such as adding a separate pistol grip, a flash hider, a muzzle threaded to accept a flash or sound supressor, a bayonet lug, grenade launcher, folding or collapsible stock, or a magwell that accepts large capacity military magazines(i probably forgot some). then it becomes subject to 922r and must be compliant. |
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the veprs are sold as imported, hence they are importable under section 925(d) and not subject to 922(r) if you make any changes that make it unimportable, such as adding a separate pistol grip, a flash hider, a muzzle threaded to accept a flash or sound supressor, a bayonet lug, grenade launcher, folding or collapsible stock, or a magwell that accepts large capacity military magazines(i probably forgot some). then it becomes subject to 922r and must be compliant. Good explanation. Importers and Manufactureres have often had to get creative in terms of "features" to jump through US government loop holes so they could get the weapons imported and both make money, and get US buyers what they want. The 922r compliance is an annoyance, and waste of money, but a fairly small price to pay. Its definately unwanted cost to buyers, but at least manufactueres of US-compliance parts are happy. 
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I've always wondered how my 2010 .308 Vepr ( a Gunsimporter import - post Rob Arms and pre WPA) entered the country with the Molot flash hider. Never seen any Veprs come in before or after with one installed by Molot. I believe the law actually states there have to be more than 2 evil features. Pistol grip, flashider, ability to accept detachable magazine capable of holding more than 10 rounds, etc. I have seen VEPR advertised as having a muzzle device as imported. What stock did your VEPR have? Hunting rifle style or thumbhole? The thumbhole was redesignated at one time as a pistol grip. |
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I've always wondered how my 2010 .308 Vepr ( a Gunsimporter import - post Rob Arms and pre WPA) entered the country with the Molot flash hider. Never seen any Veprs come in before or after with one installed by Molot. I believe the law actually states there have to be more than 2 evil features. Pistol grip, flashider, ability to accept detachable magazine capable of holding more than 10 rounds, etc. I have seen VEPR advertised as having a muzzle device as imported. What stock did your VEPR have? Hunting rifle style or thumbhole? The thumbhole was redesignated at one time as a pistol grip. You are confusing the former assault weapons ban with the import restriction (Title 18 USC sec 925(d)) any one "non sporting" feature makes the rifle unimportable. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I've always wondered how my 2010 .308 Vepr ( a Gunsimporter import - post Rob Arms and pre WPA) entered the country with the Molot flash hider. Never seen any Veprs come in before or after with one installed by Molot. I believe the law actually states there have to be more than 2 evil features. Pistol grip, flashider, ability to accept detachable magazine capable of holding more than 10 rounds, etc. I have seen VEPR advertised as having a muzzle device as imported. What stock did your VEPR have? Hunting rifle style or thumbhole? The thumbhole was redesignated at one time as a pistol grip. Here are some pics of my Gunsimporter Vepr the day I brought it home. The third pic is a close-up of the Molot flash hider.    |
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You are confusing the former assault weapons ban with the import restriction (Title 18 USC sec 925(d)) any one "non sporting" feature makes the rifle unimportable. Explain to us how VEPRs were imported with flash hiders? They were." I believe obiwan is correct here. Thank you for the claification obiwan. Beautiful VEPR! There has been some slop over the years about the rules. I bought a brand new NHM-91 right after the ban that had factory threads capped but no weld on the cap. The Maks came with high caps so why cant you use high caps with a VEPR without USA parts? Inconsistant. Best to err on the side of caution here. The USA trigger groups are pretty good nowadays. 922-r is a pain but a cheap price to pay to avoid bubba |
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You are confusing the former assault weapons ban with the import restriction (Title 18 USC sec 925(d)) any one "non sporting" feature makes the rifle unimportable. Explain to us how VEPRs were imported with flash hiders? They were. an oversight on whoever was in charge of approving the importation, or possibly part of a large batch where every rifle was not inspected, or possibly the atf previously did not consider flash hiders "non sporting" and changed their mind later as they did with "the ability to accept large capacity military magazines". Or possibly someone thought they were muzzle brakes (or even breaks) as that confusion seems to happen quite frequently |
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Here are some pics of my Gunsimporter Vepr the day I brought it home. The third pic is a close-up of the Molot flash hider. Did the paperwork in the box or the box itself have a date of import? What was the year of purchase? 2010? I really doubt that it was an oversight by BATF or they would have recalled them as they have when other illegal firearms were imported. And a rifle imported in 1989-1994 probably is not relevant to these. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Here are some pics of my Gunsimporter Vepr the day I brought it home. The third pic is a close-up of the Molot flash hider. Did the paperwork in the box or the box itself have a date of import? What was the year of purchase? 2010? The factory (Molot) paperwork accompanying the rifle said that the rifle was built on Oct 27 2010. I purchased the rifle directly from the importer in January of 2011. |
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The factory (Molot) paperwork accompanying the rifle said that the rifle was built on Oct 27 2010. I purchased the rifle directly from the importer in January of 2011. I've seen them for sale exactly like that on other sites in the past year. Arms of America had them and still advertise a rifle pictured in that configuration though they may just be using an old stock photo. Is WPA the current and only importer of VEPR and Saiga rifles or are their multiple current importers? |
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Quoted: I've seen them for sale exactly like that on other sites in the past year. Arms of America had them and still advertise a rifle pictured in that configuration though they may just be using an old stock photo. Is WPA the current and only importer of VEPR and Saiga rifles or are their multiple current importers? From phone conversations I have had with the owner of Gunsimporter, I know he brought in a bunch of rifles like mine, but the exact number is not known to me. I have never seen any Rob Arms or WPA imports with Molot flash hiders installed (not to say there isn't any out there). I have heard that K-Var is doing their own importing, but don't know how valid that info is. Haven't really looked into it. |
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